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What Caused the Fiery Ground-Level Explosions Right Before the Collapse of Each Tower?


On 9/11, there were multiple reports by credible witnesses of ground-level fiery explosions right before the collapse of the Twin Towers:

What could have caused ground-level fiery explosions right before the collapse of each tower?

In addition, a paramedic stated that before each tower collapsed, the ground shook (pp. 5-7). What could have caused the ground to shake?

See also this and this.


Forensic Seismology
Of 911 - Update
[SIZE=+1]The seismographic analysis of WTC 911 is still undergoing research. From the initial reports that these seismographs were recording the buildings as they were hit by the planes and as they hit the ground, to more recent intense scrutiny of events, videos, eyewitnesses by experts and other researchers, a more complex sequence of events and causes for these collapses is developing.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Also initially, the seismographs were studied to determine the timing of events rather than vice versa. This gov't. request didn't make much sense, as seismographs are never used for that, and everyone already knows what time the events happened.....[/SIZE]http://www.rense.com/general67/forensic.htm

SEISMIC DATA
http://uscrisis.lege.net/911/#911seismic
Source: http://intellex.com/~rigs/page1/wtc/seismic.htm

IMAGE: [ http://intellex.com/~rigs/page1/wtc/seismic.gif or http://uscrisis.lege.net/911/911seismic.gif ]



[SIZE=+3]New Seismic Data Refutes Official WTC Explanation[/SIZE]

By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press 9-5-2

Two unexplained "spikes" in the seismic record from Sept. 11 indicate huge bursts of energy shook the ground beneath the World Trade Center's twin towers immediately prior to the collapse.
http://uscrisis.lege.net/911/


http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ws+explosive+peaks+and+3D+seismic+fingerprint

 
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Stretch said:
What could have caused ground-level fiery explosions right before the collapse of each tower?
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Oooo Ooooo pick me pick me!!:p

Ummm, maybe 10 ton red hot girders that just fell 80 stories through an elevator shaft and / or pierced their way right through 80 floors?

Just one guess.
 
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Here is another one, why did the metal spire turn to dust just after the start of one collapse?
I can find you a video if you haven't already viewed one.
 
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Sort of. I went to one site but the video's went black. Don't know if it's them or me. Saw some of the stills. My first suspician is that the spire didn't turn into dust but rather turned into a blur on a low res camera. If you have a good link lay it on us.
 
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Here are some stills of the same thing both our videos cover. I'm not promoting starwars but this site has some very clear pics.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam3.html
Figures 36 &37 they certainly don't seem to be falling.
As I said earlier this is only similar to the one I'm still looking for, these are from after a tower fell and this material is not part of a radio tower.
The one I'm looking for is a shot from quite high, it shows the first part of the roof falling, the radio tower starts to fall to the right and it goes 'poof', just like the steel in those photo's. It used to be all over the net Something that high up should not be affected by anything going on below it, other than it falling since it's support is gone.
 
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Let me get this straight...are you actually saying that these spires simply turned to dust?
 
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The Probable Cause to Charge Dick Cheney With Mass Murder, Terrorism, and High Treason
There is probable cause to indict Dick Cheney for the crime of supervising the events of 911, a capital crime consisting of high treason and mass murder. Both Bush and Condoleeza Rice would state that they could not have foreseen the crashing of airliners into buildings. In fact, just such a 'scenario' was the basis for security when Bush attended the G8 Summit in Italy, July 23, 2001 [See: "Italy: Bush Targeted at G8." New York Newsday 19 Sept 2001, unsigned; "Extremists 'Planned Genoa Attack on Bush'", BBC News, 27 Sept 2001]. Secondly, Dick Cheney supervised precisely that scenario on the very day that it happened in fact --a highly improbable coincidence' that would repeat later in Britain on 7/7. Cheney supervised what are called 'exercises' within a bunker --the Presidential Emergency Operations Center --located under the White House. There is damning testimony against Cheney from former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta who contradicts 9/11 Commission Report's Account of Dick Cheney's timetable.
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http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/03/probable-cause-to-charge-dick-cheney.html
 
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Undisputed Facts Point to the Controlled Demolition of WTC 7

By Richard Gage

Global Research, March 28, 2008
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth



Response to NIST's Invitation for Written Comments
Documentation of spoken remarks presented on December 18 conference call with the NCST Advisory Committee
Emailed to NIST on January 3, 2008
Richard Gage, AIA – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth


I'm Richard Gage, AIA, a licensed architect of 20 years. I represent Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a fast-growing body of more than 230 architects and engineers dedicated solely to bringing out the truth about all three high-rise building collapses on 9/11. We believe that we have answers to your questions about the puzzling collapse of World Trade Center 7.

In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long-lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, "to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses."


Let's start with temperatures – 1,340° F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA's AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights. Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800° F. Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.

Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that "molten steel was found at 7 WTC." Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, "21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing "molten steel running down the channel rails… like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano." Joe O'Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said "it was dripping from the molten steel." Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save "relics from the rubble," stated about the multi-ton "meteorite" that it was a "fused element of molten steel and concrete."
The knowledge that this evidence even exists was denied by one of your top engineers, John Gross, in his appearance at the University of Texas in April of this year.


Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?


Appendix C of FEMA's BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting. A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this "the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."


NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn't fit in with the official conspiracy theory.


Last year, physicist Steven Jones, two other physicists, and a geologist analyzed the slag at the ends of the beams and in the samples of the previously molten metal. They found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate, a high-tech incendiary cutting charge used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. The by-product of the thermate reaction is molten iron! There's no other possible source for all the molten iron that was found. One of thermate's key ingredients is sulfur, which can form the liquid eutectic that FEMA found and lower the melting point of steel.


In addition, World Trade Center 7's catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition. You can see all these characteristics at our website www.AE911truth.org. The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building. Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse. There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance – with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint. This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns. There was also the appearance of mistimed explosions (squibs?) at the upper seven floors on the network video recordings of the collapse. And we have expert testimony from a European demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, who said "This is controlled demolition… a team of experts did this… This is professional work, without any doubt."


Fire cannot produce these effects. Fire produces large, gradual deformations and asymmetrical collapses. Thermate can produce all of these effects used in conjunction with linear shaped charges. If the thermate is formed into ultra-fine particles, as has been accomplished at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is called super-thermate, and is very explosive.


The National Fire Protection Association's NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations (1998 Edition) dictates in fire investigations that certain residues should be tested for. Thermate would leave behind signs of sulfidation/corrosion by sulfur. Such residues were in fact noted in Appendix C of the FEMA BPAT report (see note 11). "If the physical evidence establishes one factor, such as the presence of an accelerant, that may be sufficient to establish the cause even where other factors such as ignition source cannot be determined." Thermate and sulfur obviously qualify as accelerants in this case (with regard to the destruction of steel which in turn could have caused the near-free-fall-speed collapse). (The fires were not particularly suspicious, but Building 7's collapse was, because of its symmetry and speed.)


Because NIST seems to have forgotten or neglected to apply key features of the scientific method, I am including as an attachment to this submission Steven E. Jones, "Revisiting 9/11/2001 -- Applying the Scientific Method", Journal of 911 Studies, April 2007, Journal of 9/11 Studies: JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf.


How much longer must we endure NIST's cover-up of how Building 7 was actually destroyed? Millions of Americans, including the 230+ architects and engineers and 600 others of AE911Truth.org, demand that NIST come clean with a full-throttle, fully resourced and transparent forensic investigation of the evidence of the controlled demolition of Building 7.
 
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In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long-lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, "to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses."
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Jeeze, really?

How many of them had the same super structure as the WTC buildings?


Let's start with temperatures – 1,340° F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA's AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights. Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800° F. Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.
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Not necessarily. A dumpster fire will melt the steel dumpster and reach temps greater then a normal open carbon based fire. Contact your local Fire Dept. if you doubt that.


Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that "molten steel was found at 7 WTC." Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, "21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing "molten steel running down the channel rails… like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano." Joe O'Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said "it was dripping from the molten steel."
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Was there any scientific analysis done on this material to determine if it was in fact 'molten steel'?

Beyond that, there are many incidents of dumpster fire, verifiable with your own local Fire Dept.'s that have melted because of burn refuse.

But I'm sure your local Fire Dept. is in on the conspiracy.
Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save "relics from the rubble," stated about the multi-ton "meteorite" that it was a "fused element of molten steel and concrete."
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Interesting, I wasn't aware that concrete melted.

Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?
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All ready answered.


Appendix C of FEMA's BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting. A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this "the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
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Hmmm, nope, nothing in those buildings. Completely vacant. That way there would beno source of any other materials but building materials.

As for metal brought to a 'razored' sharpness. Nope, never seen that in my years of working with steel. It's never been stretched and twisted into a thin razor sharp mess.:roll:


NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn't fit in with the official conspiracy theory.
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More like it didn't meet scrutiny.


Last year, physicist Steven Jones, two other physicists, and a geologist analyzed the slag at the ends of the beams and in the samples of the previously molten metal. They found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate, a high-tech incendiary cutting charge used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. The by-product of the thermate reaction is molten iron! There's no other possible source for all the molten iron that was found. One of thermate's key ingredients is sulfur, which can form the liquid eutectic that FEMA found and lower the melting point of steel.
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Or maybe it was a concoction created by the tons and I do mean tons of materials found in the average office building...Occam's Razor.


In addition, World Trade Center 7's catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition. You can see all these characteristics at our website www.AE911truth.org. The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building. Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse. There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance – with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint. This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns. There was also the appearance of mistimed explosions (squibs?) at the upper seven floors on the network video recordings of the collapse. And we have expert testimony from a European demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, who said "This is controlled demolition… a team of experts did this… This is professional work, without any doubt."
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Yet all the Top Demo companies in the US and Canada disagree. Hmmm...:roll:


Fire cannot produce these effects. Fire produces large, gradual deformations and asymmetrical collapses. Thermate can produce all of these effects used in conjunction with linear shaped charges. If the thermate is formed into ultra-fine particles, as has been accomplished at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is called super-thermate, and is very explosive.
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:lol:

And buildings in the middle of Manhattan are labs now?


The National Fire Protection Association's NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations (1998 Edition) dictates in fire investigations that certain residues should be tested for. Thermate would leave behind signs of sulfidation/corrosion by sulfur. Such residues were in fact noted in Appendix C of the FEMA BPAT report (see note 11). "If the physical evidence establishes one factor, such as the presence of an accelerant, that may be sufficient to establish the cause even where other factors such as ignition source cannot be determined." Thermate and sulfur obviously qualify as accelerants in this case (with regard to the destruction of steel which in turn could have caused the near-free-fall-speed collapse). (The fires were not particularly suspicious, but Building 7's collapse was, because of its symmetry and speed.)
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So does petroleum based chemicals. But even if we removed the Aviation fuel from the mix, there would still be tons of materials in an office building that would produce the same chemicals once combusted.
 
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MHz said:
Guns melted into concrete.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/

Got some pic for melted dumpsters? Now try it with one that have walls several inches thick.
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Neat, seen it burn, seen it smolder, never seen concrete melt before. I'll have to ask around.

As for pic's of dumpsters, google it, call your local Fire Station. It's really that simple.

I don't believe 99% of what I read on the net, so I do my research in the r/w.
 
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How many cars melt when they catch fire, there is no lack of air for that kind of fire, yet the 'thin metal' still holds its shape.

What's an r/w? Why discredit those with a scientific background just because the article is on the 'net'?
 
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How many cars melt when they catch fire, there is no lack of air for that kind of fire, yet the 'thin metal' still holds its shape.
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Look I'm not going to argue this with you. Call your local Fire Dept. I don't really care what you want to believe or not believe. I've seen cars burn completely to the ground with the right amount of accelerant. Of which the WTC was in no short supply of.

Dumpster fires are very much like what happened in the after math of the collapse. An enclosed space, full of accelerants. Nothing like it to create heat. Again, call your local Fire Dept. if you doubt that. I'm sure, like mine, they aren't in on the conspiracy.

What's an r/w?
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Real World.

Why discredit those with a scientific background just because the article is on the 'net'?
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Simple, half the **** quoted is taken out of context, misrepresented, completely false, credentials are over stated and so on. Time and time again I see the label 'Leading explosives expert', 'Leading demolition expert', 'Leading explosives demolition expert', yet none of the names pop up on the boards of directors, the employee list or company rosters for any of the worlds short list of top 'Explosives Demolition' companies...Odd that.

Then you have all these great big 'Leading Experts' (read talking heads) blathering about this and that, while comparing the WTC to a litany of other buildings that have burned and not collapsed, or other buildings that have collapsed and finding variances and inconsistencies. Wel frickin' d'uh!!!

The WTC's were a unique structure and there is absolutely no model of comparison, period.

But that doesn't stop the 'Leading Expert' from offering a load of shyte like it was gospel, via the net.

You're welcome to the 'truthiness' of the net. I like reality much better.
 
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