9/11 Truth Manifesto

[CDNBear]

And you knew what you were looking for and where to look.

Ummm ya, so what stops the fanatic from learning the same thing?

Clue! There "terrorists" were supposedly flight school wash-outs who couldn't master straight and lever flight in a Cessna.

Clue 2...'supposedly'.

Not all that hard.... Is it that far out of this world to imagine an incarcerated pilot - Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Iranian, Iraqui Israeli - who is offered citizenship ans safety for his family if he will offer himself for Israel - or the NWO, or the Old Boys Club?

Actually...no it isn't.

If you've ever been to the Middle East, you probably weren't long in realizing all is not as it appeard on the evening news here in Canada.

I have and all is not wrong either, but then again, I rarely watch the evening news. I prefer not to be misinformed, lol...

If they saw things from this attitude, they were in big trouble already and about 4 minutes from making a crater.

Actually, you said, you couldn't see anything from that altitude, I just proved twice, that you can.

Just in case you hadn't noticed, the world doesn't have lines and arrows and the perspective you see from the cockpit is horizon to about 45° - where morning sunlight reflecting on water vapour creates a ground-cloaking haze in the eastern sky.

With the short amount of time it took me to scoop that from my Google Earth, and photoshop it, I know I could recognise it again from the air. Even with the 'patchy clouds' over Boston.

Seems like a simple thing...non?

If you really were CAF, you'd know all the dedication, desperation, fanatacism, piss and vinegar in the world doesn't amount to Jack Shyte when you operate tools without a bit of training and some hands-on experience.

Not so. I know guys that picked up weapons for the first time and made Marksman instantly. One now serving in Afghanistan. But I'll stick to my assertions that with the right amount of motivation, you can learn to fly a plane level enough to hit the broad side of a scy scraper.

Does this mean the eratic patern of their flight was staged?

...or punch that four minute hole into the ground.

4 minute hole?

 

[darkbeaver]

Yeah ok two hundred years ago. Nothing's changed, right?

As a matter of fact change has occured, the resource extraction has increased exponentialy, in lock step with the propaganda supporting benevolent western capitalisist intentions. The success of the propaganda can be redily verified by your own beliefs about what is fact and what is fiction.

 

[Just the Facts]

Why is this so hard to grasp Just the Facts?

I know you get it, why doesn't anyone else?

I don't know but here's my favourite 9/11 conspiracy video. Note the psychologist trying to answer your question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I&feature=related

 

[Stretch]

A tale of three broadcasters
This is the story of a 47-story building, in a world-famous city, that collapsed several years ago. The collapse was not ‘intended’ - in the sense that this was no listed demolition site. It was a busy office building, occupied by working staff until the previous day. Then, a little more than six years ago, it simply collapsed. If you think that’s odd, hold on tight... there’s more...

Posted Dec 29, 2007 07:01 PM PST
Category: 911
http://www.cairnsblog.net/2007/12/tale-of-three-broadcasters.html

 

[Albertabound]

How convenient.
Of course that's highly suspicious...nothing to with the acts of 9/11 though, just the same old same old NORAD operations. They've been doing the same operations since their inception, they continued to do the same operations since 9/11.

(6:30 a.m.) Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins and other NORAD employees at NEADS (NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector that covers the Washington and New York areas) are starting their work day. NORAD is unusually prepared on 9/11, because it is conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. [Newhouse News, 1/25/02] NORAD is thus fully staffed and alert, and senior officers are manning stations throughout the US. The entire chain of command is in place and ready when the first hijacking is reported. An article later says, "In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11." [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 6/3/02] ABC News later reports that because NORAD is "conducting training exercises [it] therefore [has] extra fighter planes on alert." [ABC News, 9/14/02] Colonel Robert Marr, in charge of NEADS, says, "We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board." [ABC News, 9/11/02] The exercise poses "an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide." [Newhouse News, 1/25/02] Accounts by participants vary on if 9/11 was the second, third, or fourth day of the exercise. [Newhouse News, 1/25/02, Ottawa Citizen, 9/11/02, Code One Magazine, 1/02] Since NORAD was in peak form, isn't the incredible slowness of its response times on 9/11 even more inexplicable?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/dayof911.html

 

[lone wolf]

Ummm ya, so what stops the fanatic from learning the same thing?

Time, mostly.


Actually, you said, you couldn't see anything from that altitude, I just proved twice, that you can.

Getting into semantics here. Can see plenty. Identification is doubtful.

With the short amount of time it took me to scoop that from my Google Earth, and photoshop it, I know I could recognise it again from the air. Even with the 'patchy clouds' over Boston.

Seems like a simple thing...non?

From directly above or a few degrees off. How about from twenty five miles? Not so simple....

Not so. I know guys that picked up weapons for the first time and made Marksman instantly. One now serving in Afghanistan. But I'll stick to my assertions that with the right amount of motivation, you can learn to fly a plane level enough to hit the broad side of a scy scraper.

I have never doubted that one can hit something hard. It's finding the right something. The problems with all four of these alleged level flights come in their disappearances from radar - something that only happens if the aircraft descends below LORAN - then their re-appearances without transponder data. Obviously, they have accomplished more than hold a big airplane at a near level altitude.

Does this mean the eratic patern of their flight was staged?

It may have been something to create an illusion of inexperience, or something to throw off interceptors (assuming it wasn't co-ordinated with the military) It was this erratic flight that clearly identified them on GCR. Interceptors should have targetted them within minutes - whether there were training exercises going on or not. Training has never interfered with operational readiness on my watch. Has it on yours?

4 minute hole?

At terminal velocity, the approximate duration of a fall from 38 thousand feet. My mistake. I didn't include power into the dive calculation - which would make it considerably faster.

Woof!

 

[CDNBear]

(6:30 a.m.) Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins and other NORAD employees at NEADS (NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector that covers the Washington and New York areas) are starting their work day. NORAD is unusually prepared on 9/11, because it is conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. [Newhouse News, 1/25/02] NORAD is thus fully staffed and alert, and senior officers are manning stations throughout the US. The entire chain of command is in place and ready when the first hijacking is reported. An article later says, "In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11." [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 6/3/02] ABC News later reports that because NORAD is "conducting training exercises [it] therefore [has] extra fighter planes on alert." [ABC News, 9/14/02] Colonel Robert Marr, in charge of NEADS, says, "We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board." [ABC News, 9/11/02] The exercise poses "an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide." [Newhouse News, 1/25/02] Accounts by participants vary on if 9/11 was the second, third, or fourth day of the exercise. [Newhouse News, 1/25/02, Ottawa Citizen, 9/11/02, Code One Magazine, 1/02] Since NORAD was in peak form, isn't the incredible slowness of its response times on 9/11 even more inexplicable?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/dayof911.html

I'm not surprised they moved slowly, I've been involved in real time NORAD maneuvers. Trust me when I say reporting to the JOC and then having every communication relayed two or three times before orders can be varified, then given and then executed, can take a considerable amount of time. Ask any miliatry person, that served in the last 20 years, if that's an acurate assertion.

Time, mostly.

What? You think they put this together over night?

Getting into semantics here. Can see plenty. Identification is doubtful.

How so. Any half wit with Google Earth, a map and the drive can figure it out.

From directly above or a few degrees off. How about from twenty five miles? Not so simple....

But not impossible.

I have never doubted that one can hit something hard. It's finding the right something. The problems with all four of these alleged level flights come in their disappearances from radar - something that only happens if the aircraft descends below LORAN - then their re-appearances without transponder data. Obviously, they have accomplished more than hold a big airplane at a near level altitude.

Fair enough, but you give no indication of the impossible.

It may have been something to create an illusion of inexperience, or something to throw off interceptors (assuming it wasn't co-ordinated with the military) It was this erratic flight that clearly identified them on GCR. Interceptors should have targetted them within minutes - whether there were training exercises going on or not.

So you'ld think, but then again there is a reason the oxymoron "Military Intelligence" exists. Non?

Training has never interfered with operational readiness on my watch. Has it on yours?

Nope, but then again, we never experienced a real world event the likes of 9/11 while served.

Do you fully grasp the implications and actions required to terminate a civilian aircraft?

I don't, but I do know the ROE on firing on armed combatants amongst civilians. I can only imagine what it's like some 15 to 20,000 feet over US soil, and firing upon an unarmed airliner.

Sobody somewhere was likely ringing their hands, just a lil to long.

Would you want to be the one to make that decision, in real time, when intel is sketch at best?

At terminal velocity, the approximate duration of a fall from 38 thousand feet. My mistake. I didn't include power into the dive calculation - which would make it considerably faster.

Oh you ment fall, not hole...I get ya.

But I don't think that 93 was at 38, I believe they were at 35, and at full throttle, the supposed 45 second duration of their dive, is quite feasable.

 

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The Perfect Terrorist Plan
To Level The Twin Towers
[SIZE=+3]Created In 1976 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]By Greg Szymanski[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Exclusive to American Free Press[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]3-19-5[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTC using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration prior to 9/11 makes the President and others look like "bumbling idiots or a bunch of conniving criminals" responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and in Afghanistan and Iraq.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the President's handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative still under contract with the government.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q'aida in the months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing, considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist attack of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]McNiven, who first went public in an affidavit included in a 9/11-related federal conspiracy (RICO) lawsuit filed against Bush and others in 2004, claims his unit was ordered to create the "perfect terrorist plan" using commercial airliners as weapons and the Twin Towers as their target.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The publicized version of the study, commissioned by Congress, was to identify security lapses and submit corrective measures to lawmakers. However, McNiven claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific orders given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The head of the 1976 mock terrorist plan was Lt. Michael Teague of Long Island, who McNiven says was given specific orders by higher-ups in the military to use the Twin Towers as the terrorist target.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in his opinion now that "the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in 1976."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"I remember Lt. Teague changed the scenario of the supposed study from a 100 story building to the Twin Towers," recalled McNiven, emphasizing that Lt. Teague was acting on specific orders from unknown superiors.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"He then said he thought it was very strange to be asked to devise a plan to blow up your own home town. But as I watched the Twin Towers really collapse on the morning of September 11th, I realized I was watching the very same thing we devised in the 1976."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Since that ominous realization, McNiven has devoted his entire life to alerting the American public about the similarities between 9/11 and the 1976 study without much success, his story basically being ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"Why am I doing this? Why have I spent every waking hour trying to bring this story to the American people?" asked McNiven, claiming he still is following a strange direct military order given to him more than 25 years ago.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"During the course of the terrorist plan we were devising, I made the statement to Lt. Teague that if the WTC was ever attacked like we planned, I'd go public. I was then physically assaulted and told never to reveal anything we were doing regarding the Twin Towers."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]However, about a week later a strange turn of events occurred. For no apparent reason, McNiven claims his superiors completely changed their minds.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"I was given the direct order that if the Twin Towers were ever attacked the way we discussed in the 1976 study, I was to do everything in my power to bring the similarities to the attention of the American people.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"I have no idea why they changed their minds, but I was then emphatically told that this order was never to be rescinded - never - because those who would rescind it, would be the very same people who turned against the American people."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Besides taking a lie detector to verify his story, McNiven has made public a detailed list of about 40 names of those individuals who took part in the mock terrorist plan, including Col. Robert Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Sgt. Middleton, Sgt. Arroyo and many others.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"There were also people from the Defense Department and the CIA who were monitoring the study, but I wasn't able to get their names," he added.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Some of McNiven's most recent assignments with the Defense Department include work on the Northwest Drug Task Force and various other drug smuggling and weapons trafficking cases.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]March 9, 2005[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." (George H.W. "Poppy" Bush)[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Support American Free Press[/SIZE]

http://www.rense.com/general63/TWIN.HTM

 

[Just the Facts]

8)

The reason he's having so much trouble attracting attention to his story is because it's entirely unspectacular. I bet you can find mock terrorist scenarios that the military uses for training for just about anything you can imagine....and then some. So what? If they didn't have these training scenarios, we'd be asking "why not?", and justifiably so.

It's one thing to know terrorists are planning to use airliners as weapons, it's something else entirely to know who what where and when.

 

[darkbeaver]

8)

The reason he's having so much trouble attracting attention to his story is because it's entirely unspectacular. I bet you can find mock terrorist scenarios that the military uses for training for just about anything you can imagine....and then some. So what? If they didn't have these training scenarios, we'd be asking "why not?", and justifiably so.

It's one thing to know terrorists are planning to use airliners as weapons, it's something else entirely to know who what where and when.

Who, what, where and when. Who could control completely what happened when it happened where it did. If you still believe savage islamofacists could do that then you're not capable of criticle thinking, sorry but I won't be asking you to drive the bus to the picnic buddy.:lol:

 

[Just the Facts]

Good I don't drive buses and I hate picnics.:iroc:

You think savage is the only type of islamofascist? :?: Not hardly. In fact most jihadi's are well educated. Very smart people. Underestimate them at your peril.

 

[Albertabound]

So what? If they didn't have these training scenarios, we'd be asking "why not?", and justifiably so.

First of all, So what? Well, if that's an answer to something so factual, then I don't know what to say. You would never see me answer, so what, to a fact given from your side of things, but that's your choice. Second, would you or the American people "really" question "why" NORAD

 

[Albertabound]

So what? If they didn't have these training scenarios, we'd be asking "why not?", and justifiably so.

First of all, So what? Well, if that's an answer to something so factual, then I don't know what to say. You would never see me answer, so what, to a fact given from your side of things, but that's your choice. Second, would you or the American people "really" question "why" NORAD is not doing a certain scenario, would you even have a sniff of what they do other than protect the skies. Do you think the general public questions what or how NORAD does things............I think not. That's just a foolish statement, just as " so what " is.

You know for such an extra unordinary, never before and never again event such to happen as 9/11, there are more coincidences that have happen in relevance to the matter that the odds number is astronomical. How ever people will still not questions the "government's official " version of the event, and that baffles me all to hell. I just don't know how someone could be so brain washed as to not ever "question" the "official" version, not one aspect of it. Not the crucial trading of stocks prier, not the insurance policy changes, the norad plan, the ability of the pilots (I mean they were dead on target),and so on and so on. Not to mention the Project for the New American Century, that an accual document that can be provided for anyone that needs it as proof. The bumbling lies that have all been given for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean really who in their "own" mind would not "at least question" these things. I don't get it.......that's all. Remember astronomical numbers are the "coincidences".
Project for the New American Century

 

[lone wolf]

What? You think they put this together over night?

Obviously not. It's been planned for quite some time - even to creating a cover story about their pilots - provided the impact aircraft weren't switched when they vanished off radar.

How so. Any half wit with Google Earth, a map and the drive can figure it out.

Today? Possibly. When was Google Earth introduced?

Nope, but then again, we never experienced a real world event the likes of 9/11 while served.

Thank God!

Do you fully grasp the implications and actions required to terminate a civilian aircraft?

As a matter of fact.... Yes.

I don't, but I do know the ROE on firing on armed combatants amongst civilians. I can only imagine what it's like some 15 to 20,000 feet over US soil, and firing upon an unarmed airliner.

The behaviour of a second rogue aircraft after the first has already struck WTC 1 would be reasonable cause. The third and fourth (if indeed 93 wasn't brought down by A2A) would be beyond question.

Sobody somewhere was likely ringing their hands, just a lil to long.

Or sitting on them as per Executive Order.

Would you want to be the one to make that decision, in real time, when intel is sketch at best?

Would anybody? What weighs heavier: the lives of a couple of hundred in flight or national security and the lives of seveal thousand on the ground?

Oh you ment fall, not hole...I get ya.

But I don't think that 93 was at 38, I believe they were at 35, and at full throttle, the supposed 45 second duration of their dive, is quite feasable.

Woof!

 

[wallyj]

I don't know but here's my favourite 9/11 conspiracy video. Note the psychologist trying to answer your question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I&feature=related

Also, my favourite. If you can watch this and the one I have put up a couple of times,it is the one where Alex Jones explains how the explosives were planted,and still believe it was an inside job.....................Psychosis,the only answer.

 

[wallyj]

Happy New Year to all. There is two sides to this story. One side so much wants to have a reason to justify their inferiority complex that they will believe anything that implicates the U.S.A.. The other side uses critical and analytical thought to make decisions and form opinions. The second side does not automatically discard opinions,the first side automatically embraces them if the opinion supports the 'Great Satan' theory. .....It was a missille that hit the pentagon,sure,the plane and its passengers are living on an island somewhere.The BBC reporter knew ahead of time about building 7,sure,like after pulling off the greatest mass murder in U.S. history,the white house issued press releases detailing what was going down. The baseball cap guy was a CIA plant,of course,why ? Maybe in a city of skyscrapers,one of the hundreds of reporters found someone who knew something about skyscrapers? Nah,never happen,once they build them and take them down,they live elsewhere. Some fella in the basement heard explosions before the plane hit,but never called 911, even though he was a 20 year employee in a building that was a terrorist target. Numerous studies using the word "squib" to show explosives detonating,look up the word "squib" and get back to me on that,how scientific. i could go on,but instead ,take care,there are people that are profitting on this,Alex Jones and Michael Moore have become very rich. Beware. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.Happy New year to all, esp. those who are trying to educate,you know who you are.

 

[jimshort19]

DarkBeaver, finally i agree with you. This poor sick devil is a genius!

"Simply put, controlled demolition brought down three buildings, not fires from the impact of planes on two of them."

I new dat.

But does it really deserve the tin hat, or shouldn't we really reaerve the tin for an occasion when someone outdoes, say, you?

 

[Just the Facts]

First of all, So what? Well, if that's an answer to something so factual, then I don't know what to say. You would never see me answer, so what, to a fact given from your side of things, but that's your choice. Second, would you or the American people "really" question "why" NORAD is not doing a certain scenario, would you even have a sniff of what they do other than protect the skies. Do you think the general public questions what or how NORAD does things............I think not. That's just a foolish statement, just as " so what " is.

Not sure where your ire is coming from. The "so what" is referring to the fact that the military conducts training exercises based on fictional, but possible, real world scenarios. Isn't that what they're SUPPOSED to be doing? You know, be prepared, like boyscouts.

I don't know why you would find that assertion foolish and offensive. It's really nothing personal. Also, just for the record, I don't have a "side of things". I just calls them as I sees them.

You know for such an extra unordinary, never before and never again event such to happen as 9/11

I hope so, but frankly, doubt it. Unfortunately I suspect 9/11 was a harbinger of things to come. Lets hope I'm wrong. Nay, let's MAKE SURE I'm wrong.

there are more coincidences that have happen in relevance to the matter that the odds number is astronomical.

Are there really, though? I mean what it really boils down to is a handful of guys learning to fly well enough to bank and hit the side of a skyscraper among the most massive in the world. Sure the flight to hit the pentagon showed a little more skill and steady nerve, but heck, the Pats went 16-0 this year. Stranger things have happened.

How ever people will still not questions the "government's official " version of the event, and that baffles me all to hell. I just don't know how someone could be so brain washed as to not ever "question" the "official" version, not one aspect of it.

There's nothing wrong with questioning, I'm all for that. However, formulating wild speculative theories that actually involve "more coincidences that have happen in relevance to the matter that the odds number is astronomical" than the "official" version does not qualify as questioning. It's just wild speculative theorizing.

Anyway, HAPPY NEW YEAR. Time for some bubbly!

:canada::wave:ccasion7::blob8: ccasion2:ccasion5:ccasion9:

 

[lone wolf]

Not sure where your ire is coming from. The "so what" is referring to the fact that the military conducts training exercises based on fictional, but possible, real world scenarios. Isn't that what they're SUPPOSED to be doing? You know, be prepared, like boyscouts.

I don't know why you would find that assertion foolish and offensive. It's really nothing personal. Also, just for the record, I don't have a "side of things". I just calls them as I sees them.



I hope so, but frankly, doubt it. Unfortunately I suspect 9/11 was a harbinger of things to come. Lets hope I'm wrong. Nay, let's MAKE SURE I'm wrong.



Are there really, though? I mean what it really boils down to is a handful of guys learning to fly well enough to bank and hit the side of a skyscraper among the most massive in the world. Sure the flight to hit the pentagon showed a little more skill and steady nerve, but heck, the Pats went 16-0 this year. Stranger things have happened.



There's nothing wrong with questioning, I'm all for that. However, formulating wild speculative theories that actually involve "more coincidences that have happen in relevance to the matter that the odds number is astronomical" than the "official" version does not qualify as questioning. It's just wild speculative theorizing.

Anyway, HAPPY NEW YEAR. Time for some bubbly!

:canada::wave:ccasion7::blob8: ccasion2:ccasion5:ccasion9:

:idea: Dunno ... I still wanna see if I can hook one of them thar hologram thingies to MTV for the next best thing to bein' there.;-)

Thanks for all the head buttin' sessions. Happy New Year all.... in five ... four ... three ... two

Woof!

 

[lone wolf]

Hmm... Missed it by that much.... Now, back to Das Boot....

Woof!