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[Ron in Regina]

Don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. it's a legal issue. There are criminal penalties for selling/providing alcohol to minors.

Same/similar here too.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. it's a legal issue. There are criminal penalties for selling/providing alcohol to minors.

Same/similar here too.

 

[Taxslave2]

Absolute bullshit.

They're already pushing trans adult medical care to be denied. So no, that's not true at all.



We're tax payers too.

Do we get to select which health care you as a non-trans person gets to have, and what you don't?



Good thing this isn't happening.

How many times must that be repeated for you to get that?



Seeing a surgeon for surgeries does not mean surgeries are done.

Educate yourself, FFS.

You need to see a shrink.

 

[Serryah]

From the NYT. . .
"The treatments: The law prohibits medical providers from prescribing puberty-delaying medication, offering hormone therapy or performing surgery to treat the psychological distress caused by incongruence between experienced gender and that assigned at birth."

Thank you for posting what the article said.

I now feel bad for kids who have Precocious puberty or other medical issues being denied their meds too with BS like this.

Of course I'm sure they'll be 'exempt' from any law denying meds or hormone therapy, in which case it'll be interesting to see how many law suits come out of it for discrimination or whatever can be used to fight it.

"However" indeed. This is a complicated and delicate issue. I get tired of commenters on this board yelling "FREEEEEEE-DOM!" and "T'ain't RAHT!" without any thought to the complex and delicate social balances behind just about every issue.

Good points really. And yeah, it's a complicated and delicate issue. It's why I am on the side of supporting kids and giving them time to figure things out.

But I also realize that the 'time' is limited; puberty, if it happens, can destroy a kid's life and their future if they're trans.

I also realize that it's not about kids at all, but about wiping trans people out of existence (as much as they can anyway).

That's what my post explained. What is "right" for a child is determined by a mix of the child, the child's parents/guardians, and the larger society within which the child lives.

I can agree with the first two; the last is the problem area though. On the one hand, you have people screaming about how a kid is 'their kid and they can do what they want with their kid' and on the other hand, those same people are dictating how other parents handle their kids.

Kind'a makes it harder to take some seriously.

What about them? Again, we see the interaction between the will of the minor, the will of the minor's parents/guardians, and the will of the society, as expressed through the elected legislature.

The issue comes when society is conflicted; so which part of society gets to decide?

Don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. it's a legal issue. There are criminal penalties for selling/providing alcohol to minors.

Oh it is here too, but I was trying to point out - which I didn't do clearly I think - is that sure it's a legal issue, but it's also a society issue since the age kids drink varies in Europe depending on the country they're from. The law stems from what is 'socially acceptable' so while in Canada it's 19, in other countries it's younger.

But I do get your point. Society chose these laws by election.

That is correct. And acceptable to me because it is "reversible" (that is, if a minor wants surgery/hormone therapy/other measures to change the minor's sex/gender, and the parents or the state forbid it, the minor need only wait).

This is where I can't agree with you fully - the state itself should have no say to ANYONE'S health care (and while I'm sure others would bring up Vaccinations those are a different situation with different circumstances, the biggest being diseases and vaccines affect everyone in society where as trans care affects only the person who is trans and maybe their family; maybe)

Waiting for trans care not only puts mental and emotional pressures on the trans kid but it negatively affects their adult lives as well. For a trans person that 'doesn't pass' as an adult, their lives are EXTREMELY difficult (and really this affects mostly trans women since trans guys tend to pass if they go full transition). It's not just the physical appearance, it's the threats of loss of life, liberty and happiness (which everyone has a right to, or used to have a right to) just by the fact they don't pass.

Which trans health care is meant to help alleviate.

It is unlikely that you and I will ever disagree on "control and misogyny." Add in "idiotic, hysterical fears about sex" and you've got the Trinity of Hysteria. This seems to me to be the most reasonable way to accommodate the competing interests.

For the most part I agree and will just leave it at that

 

[Serryah]

You need to see a shrink.

Just because you don't like reality, doesn't mean I'm the one that needs the shrink, Tax.

 

[petros]

Just because you don't like reality, doesn't mean I'm the one that needs the shrink, Tax.

You really do need to see a shrink.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You really do need to see a shrink.

Well, THAT's certainly a textbook case of the pot calling the kettle cookware!