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Serryah

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Like I was saying above, it’s all over the place, with conflicting information. Anyone on any side of the issue can find a current news story to back up their opinion. No idea which ones the actual truth at this point. The only consistent thing is that there’s controversy involved.

Well I'd focus on what the IBA said in it's statement and that the IOC has decided they can't regulate the sport of boxing in the Olympics and the IOC usually doesn't do that to the parent organization unless they really fuck up.

But agreed, only consistent thing is controversy and lack of information.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Until more details come out, this is just BS being stirred up by people who love to think anyone who doesn't fit the 'norm' of what a person's gender is, automatically makes them somehow the opposite gender.
Like I was saying above, it’s all over the place, with conflicting information. Anyone on any side of the issue can find a current news story to back up their opinion. No idea which ones the actual truth at this point. The only consistent thing is that there’s controversy involved.
Well, here’s something detail wise that’s not just conflicting opinions from overnight:
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Angela Carini went to her coach 30 seconds into the fight to fix her headgear but after briefly resuming she returned to her corner and stopped, quickly leaving the ring.
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She later explained that she had decided not to fight after feeling intense pain in her nose. “For me, it’s not a defeat. For me, when you climb those ropes, you’re already a warrior, you’re already a winner,” Carini said. “Regardless of everything it’s OK, fine like this. I didn’t lose tonight … I only did my job as a fighter. I got in the ring and I fought. I didn’t make it. I’m coming out with my head held high and with a broken heart.

“I’m a mature woman. The ring is my life. I’ve always been very instinctive. And when I feel that something isn’t right, it’s not giving up. It’s having the maturity to stop. It’s having the maturity to say: ‘OK, that’s enough’.”
(Taiwan’s double world champion Lin Yu-ting will face Uzbekistan’s Sitora Turdibekova in a featherweight bout in Paris on Friday)
 

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Like I was saying above, it’s all over the place, with conflicting information. Anyone on any side of the issue can find a current news story to back up their opinion. No idea which ones the actual truth at this point. The only consistent thing is that there’s controversy involved.
Whatever happened to "performace enhancing drugs"? To me it seems some are exploiting newly created loopholes.

If you self identify as a native from Colombia....
 

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Well, here’s something detail wise that’s not just conflicting opinions from overnight:
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Angela Carini went to her coach 30 seconds into the fight to fix her headgear but after briefly resuming she returned to her corner and stopped, quickly leaving the ring.
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She later explained that she had decided not to fight after feeling intense pain in her nose. “For me, it’s not a defeat. For me, when you climb those ropes, you’re already a warrior, you’re already a winner,” Carini said. “Regardless of everything it’s OK, fine like this. I didn’t lose tonight … I only did my job as a fighter. I got in the ring and I fought. I didn’t make it. I’m coming out with my head held high and with a broken heart.

“I’m a mature woman. The ring is my life. I’ve always been very instinctive. And when I feel that something isn’t right, it’s not giving up. It’s having the maturity to stop. It’s having the maturity to say: ‘OK, that’s enough’.”
(Taiwan’s double world champion Lin Yu-ting will face Uzbekistan’s Sitora Turdibekova in a featherweight bout in Paris on Friday)

So... two fighters got into the ring, one had pain in her nose after a hit and her headgear shifted position, then she ended the fight.

That means nothing against the Algerian fighter.

Unless she comes out and says something specific, really this was a "I got hit and the pain was too distracting for me to keep fighting", or something else.

Not because of the belief the Algerian fighter is trans (and isn't until they admit so).
 

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So... two fighters got into the ring, one had pain in her nose after a hit and her headgear shifted position, then she ended the fight.

That means nothing against the Algerian fighter.

Unless she comes out and says something specific, really this was a "I got hit and the pain was too distracting for me to keep fighting", or something else.

Not because of the belief the Algerian fighter is trans (and isn't until they admit so).
I’ve boxed in my youth (long enough to know that I was never going to be great by any means), and your headgear doesn’t shift on its own…but usually with significant help from your opponent. That was 30 seconds into the fight, and she bowed out at 46 seconds so something wonky happened.

Cool story, I’ve sparred & trained with somebody who became an Olympic athlete in boxing…& He was part of the reason (good guy!) for me, recognizing that I was never gonna be beyond mediocre.

We were sparring (training) and I was going all out 110%, and he was invested about 10%(?) while I was working like a dog!! He was actually having a conversation with two girls in the bleachers while sparring with me.

I managed to connect something significant, that probably would’ve dropped most people…& he just looked at me and caulked his head a little bit, and then dialled it up to maybe 20% of his capacity at the time. I was so glad to eventually hit the showers. My time boxing taught me to recognize talent and know who to avoid.

(I am probably being overly generous to myself when I say he probably dialled it up to 20% because it might not have been that high. This guy was good! he went onto Barcelona and medaled)
 
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I’ve boxed in my youth (long enough to know that I was never going to be great by any means), and your headgear doesn’t shift on its own…but usually with significant help from your opponent. That was 30 seconds into the fight, and she bowed out at 46 seconds so something wonky happened.

Cool story, I’ve sparred & trained with somebody who became an Olympic athlete in boxing…& He was part of the reason (good guy!) for me, recognizing that I was never gonna be beyond mediocre.

We were sparring (training) and I was going all out 110%, and he was invested about 10%(?) while I was working like a dog!! He was actually having a conversation with two girls in the bleachers while sparring with me.

I managed to connect something significant, that probably would’ve dropped most people…& he just looked at me and caulked his head a little bit, and then dialled it up to maybe 20% of his capacity at the time. I was so glad to eventually hit the showers. My time boxing taught me to recognize talent and know who to avoid.

(I am probably being overly generous to myself when I say he probably dialled it up to 20% because it might not have been that high. This guy was good! he went onto Barcelona and medaled)
Back in the days of Laird Gym?
 

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Back in the days of Laird Gym?
High School. Jeff medaled in Wrestling (Silver in 120kg) in Barcelona but it wouldn’t have been a stretch of the imagination for him to have done the same in boxing. He was just gifted at whatever he tried physically.

He was three years older than me, & the better part of 100 pounds on me, with probably an 8 inch reach advantage (& I was 6 foot tall already). I was sparring with him because I was left-handed and he was ambidextrous.

I Eventually adapted to just boxing right handed (so a wicked scary jab), & the ability to just switch back to left-handed stance, and boxing for the level I was at that made me effective….But beyond the mediocre I would’ve had my lunch eaten on me.
 

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High School. Jeff medaled in Wrestling (Silver in 120kg) in Barcelona but it wouldn’t have been a stretch of the imagination for him to have done the same in boxing. He was just gifted at whatever he tried physically.

He was three years older than me, & the better part of 100 pounds on me, with probably an 8 inch reach advantage (& I was 6 foot tall already). I was sparring with him because I was left-handed and he was ambidextrous.

I Eventually adapted to just boxing right handed (so a wicked scary jab), & the ability to just switch back to left-handed stance, and boxing for the level I was at that made me effective….But beyond the mediocre I would’ve had my lunch eaten on me.
Im leftie in hockey, golf and baseball. Right handed in everything else I can catch with either handed ball glove.

Oh shit. Bowling I can roll with both.
 

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Im leftie in hockey, golf and baseball. Right handed in everything else I can catch with either handed ball glove.

Oh shit. Bowling I can roll with both.
My father was like that. Being left-handed I’m back-and-forth depending on the sport, based upon what equipment I could borrow as a child when I was learning the sport…. So I’m predominantly left-handed but forced ambidextrous tendencies.

My father could saw or hammer with both hands alternately. Write or print with both hands, etc…& I don’t have that.
 

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My father was like that. Being left-handed I’m back-and-forth depending on the sport, based upon what equipment I could borrow as a child when I was learning the sport…. So I’m predominantly left-handed but forced ambidextrous tendencies.

My father could saw or hammer with both hands alternately. Write or print with both hands, etc…& I don’t have that.
Any twins in the family?
 

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Yes. Weird question but yes.

I was actually one of twins, I survived, and the other was stillborn. My Sister the exact same story. Then one of my aunts had two sets of twins, 10 months apart.
Was I a twin if I'm left-handed?

Being left-handed is the result of genes and environment. About 50 per cent more males than females are left-handed and 17 per cent of twins are, compared with about 10 per cent in general. The 'vanishing twin' hypothesis suggests that left-handers were originally a twin, but the right-handed foetus failed to develop.

https://www.sciencefocus.com › wh...
Why are some people left-handed? - BBC Science Focus Magazine

That should clear up a bit of the mystery. Science is cool.
 
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Interesting... out of 14 fights, she's lost five of them.
It is interesting, & she should get to fight, but against whom? Against Women or Men (I’m probably confusing the two boxers, but is this the one that’s super high testosterone last year or is this the one that’s XY chromosomes?) or a Trans category (if that’s the case here?) or a DSD category?

Here’s a different perspective from a female Olympian boxer:

And here’s a different perspective again:

Then the IBA & IOC responding:

It’s not a clear cut black or white situation it would seem. Boxing as of this point isn’t currently on the sports program for the next Summer Olympics in LA. The IOC would need a recognized federation partner (which they don’t have at this point) just like all other Olympic sports.
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The International Olympic Committee has warned against a 'witch-hunt' amid criticism of a decision to allow two boxers, who were banned for being deemed biologically male, to compete at the Olympics as women.

Algeria's Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwanwere disqualified from the Women's World Boxing Championships in March 2023 in New Delhi.

According to feminist website Reduxx, both are thought to be impacted by a Difference of Sexual Development (DSD), a series of medical conditions identified at birth where genitalia is atypical in relation to chromosomes.
The term “DSD” is referenced a lot in elite track and field, but the complex health condition is never fully explained on television broadcasts as the athletes who have differences of sexual development compete, and the meaning of DSD athletes hasn’t been made clear.

At the Tokyo Olympics, for example, Christine Mboma, 18, of Namibia won the silver medal in the 200 meters. It’s an event that she decided to compete in, along with her countrywoman Beatrice Masilingi (sixth place), because they were banned from racing the 400 meters due to their DSD conditions. Similarly, the 800 meters was contested without the defending Olympic champion, Caster Semenya of South Africa, for the same reason.

DSD stands for “differences of sexual development.” The World Athletics policies apply to women with 46, XY DSD—they have an X and Y chromosome in each cell (a typical male pattern) and male-range testosterone levels, as well as genitalia that is not typically male or female.

According to Children’s National Hospital, DSD is not as rare as most people assume and can affect about 1 in 100 newborns.

World Athletics has restricted women with DSD from competing in specific events on the track because, officials argue, that they have an unfair advantage in strength, muscle mass, and the increased testosterone levels improve oxygen-carrying capacity.
 

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Im leftie in hockey, golf and baseball. Right handed in everything else I can catch with either handed ball glove.

Oh shit. Bowling I can roll with both.
Funny I am right handed in everything except hockey for some reason .