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IdRatherBeSkiing

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Indeed. I was in TO to see a play, and at intermission I nipped in and out of the gents' (because they didn't have a "thugs") and there was a long line waiting for the ladies'. I commented to the line at large "Statistically, women in North American live eight years longer than men. Which probably about accounts for the time you spend waiting on line for the restroom." There were many rueful chuckles and a couple of loud "Right ons!"
I think the ability to pull it out and pee quickly and move on rather than putting down the seat and scrubbing it for 10 minutes to make sure its 110% sanitary then doing ones business likely has more to do with the speed of the line.
 

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I think the ability to pull it out and pee quickly and move on rather than putting down the seat and scrubbing it for 10 minutes to make sure its 110% sanitary then doing ones business likely has more to do with the speed of the line.
I'll trust you. I don't spend a lot of time hanging out in ladies' rooms. Never quite seemed to find it quite so fascinating.
 

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... for the people raped by women, I assure you, they don't have trouble with it.
Someone tried that with me once, a very aggressive woman who apparently thought male sexual response was simple and automatic, like putting coins into a vending machine, push the right buttons and it’ll happen. No so, but there’s a big difference between that and a man sexually assaulting a woman. There was no fear factor, I never doubted I could overpower her and get away if I needed to, which I eventually did. Not without some minor injury, but just bruises and scratches. But the shock and revulsion and the emotional hangover were pretty unpleasant, wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
 

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Someone tried that with me once, a very aggressive woman who apparently thought male sexual response was simple and automatic, like putting coins into a vending machine, push the right buttons and it’ll happen. No so, but there’s a big difference between that and a man sexually assaulting a woman. There was no fear factor, I never doubted I could overpower her and get away if I needed to, which I eventually did. Not without some minor injury, but just bruises and scratches. But the shock and revulsion and the emotional hangover were pretty unpleasant, wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
You got off easy (pun intended) I almost drown.
 

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Someone tried that with me once, a very aggressive woman who apparently thought male sexual response was simple and automatic, like putting coins into a vending machine, push the right buttons and it’ll happen. No so, but there’s a big difference between that and a man sexually assaulting a woman. There was no fear factor, I never doubted I could overpower her and get away if I needed to, which I eventually did. Not without some minor injury, but just bruises and scratches. But the shock and revulsion and the emotional hangover were pretty unpleasant, wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

True, when it comes to women raping, I think if it's men they rape, usually it's manipulation - which is a form of power honestly - that it comes from. Though in your case... well I've not so nice words about her.

If a woman rapes a child, it's still power.
 
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well I've not so nice words about her
Me too. It was actually somewhat worse than my first brief description. She was a friend of my girlfriend at the time, visiting from out of town. I was over to see the girlfriend but she’d had a tough week at work, wasn’t feeling up to going out, and went to bed early, leaving me to chat with her friend for a while before heading home myself. She jumped me with her supposed friend, my girlfriend, sleeping a few meters away. Needless to say, that friendship died after I reported events. Nobody needs a friend who’ll do that. But at least I got away without any damage requiring medical attention.

Unless you count the purely medicinal double rye and coke I poured when I was safely home. I was a bit rattled.
 
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True, when it comes to women raping, I think if it's men they rape, usually it's manipulation - which is a form of power honestly - that it comes from. Though in your case... well I've not so nice words about her.

If a woman rapes a child, it's still power.
The ultimate expression of power is the ability to use somebody else's body for your sexual gratification, whether they want you to or not.

Yeah, read that again. . . whether they want you to or not.

That's the "power" motivation.
 
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As duelling protests took place in Canadian cities over the issue of gender ideology in schools, a new survey from the Angus Reid Institute revealed that most Canadians support a middle ground: They favour equality and accommodation for trans people, but generally don’t believe men can self-identify as women.

Of respondents, just 35 per cent agreed with the sentiment — now enshrined via a latticework of federal and provincial laws — that “anyone who wishes can identify as a woman.”

About the same number (34 per cent) sided with the notion that women are only those “who were born with female genitalia.” (?)

Another 18 per cent were comfortable with the idea of men legally becoming women, but only if they changed their genitalia through surgery. (?)

(We’re getting into that weird ground again between gender and sex, where some clear definitions are needed to not cloud the issue)

These results suggest that a slim majority of Canadians (52 per cent) are not on board with a recent spate of Canadian legal reforms upholding the principle of gender self-ID; the notion that only a personal attestation is necessary for a Canadian to begin living as a member of a different gender.

Right up until the early 2010s, Canadians generally needed a doctor’s note or proof of sex-reassignment surgery to be legally recognized as a different gender.

But by 2017, a spate of tribunal decisions and policy updates had made self-ID the rule on everything from applying for a passport to playing for Team Canada.

The Angus Reid survey, which was released Sept. 19, also found a clear majority of Canadians opposed to the adoption of “gender neutral” terminology, particularly when it came to issues such as menstruation or childbirth. For instance, it is now standard for Canadian public health agencies to use the term “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women.” Select health agencies have also adopted the term “chestfeeding” as a synonym for “breastfeeding.”

Angus Reid found that 67 per cent of respondents objected to this trend, agreeing with the statement that it “devalues the female identity in society.” Even among under-34 women — usually the group most accepting of gender-neutral language — 50 per cent were opposed.

“For these issues that focus specifically on female identity, motherhood, and birth, there is little appetite for gender-neutral language,” concluded pollsters.

A similar proportion were also opposed to a new trend of attached pronouns (ie: he/him, she/her) to one’s name in emails, social media posts or even in in-person introduction.

(While this is not mandatory among federal civil servants, it is encouraged and increasingly common, with the Department of National Defence even officially observing “International Pronouns Day” every Oct. 15)

Of Angus Reid respondents, 66 per cent disagreed with the statement “everyone should put their pronouns in their social media profiles.”

Meanwhile, that same survey identified several clear indicators that respondents were personally welcoming of trans identities among their social circle, and believed transgender Canadians faced disproportionate rates of discrimination!!

More than two thirds (71 per cent) said transgender Canadians “face a lot of discrimination in their daily lives,” while 69 per cent said that if their child identified as transgender, they would affirm the new identity.

Skepticism returned, however, when it came to the issue of hormone therapy in minors; 63 per cent were against it, with opposition rising depending on how young the child was.

The new survey fits into a broader theme that has been showing up in Canadian polling data for at least the last five years: A broad consensus of Canadians want transgender Canadians to live lives of legal equality free from discrimination!!

….while at the same time being leery about issues such as biological men in women’s spaces, or gender surgery for minors.

As far back as 2016, Angus Reid found more than 80 per cent of Canadians supporting the addition of gender identity to the country’s anti-discrimination laws, but respondents were more skeptical of a push to have transgender people use washrooms and change rooms that accorded with their gender identity, rather than their biological sex.

Gender Identity & Biological Sex used as two distinctive terms. Seems like progress. Can’t fight if you don’t know what you’re fighting over. 😉
 

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Gender Identity & Biological Sex used as two distinctive terms. Seems like progress. Can’t fight if you don’t know what you’re fighting over. 😉
Did they poll anyone over 40?

There are 2 genders and 71 sexual prefences.

Its fact that Autism plays a huge role.

Why isn't anyone pondering if the massive uptick is environmental? Plausible denial?
 
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As duelling protests took place in Canadian cities over the issue of gender ideology in schools, a new survey from the Angus Reid Institute revealed that most Canadians support a middle ground: They favour equality and accommodation for trans people, but generally don’t believe men can self-identify as women.

Funny how it's always "men can't self-identify as women" or something similar.
Absolutely rarely is there any comment that says "women can't self-identify as men".
It's almost as if being a woman is somehow... lesser... as if "identifying as a woman" is... bad...

Of respondents, just 35 per cent agreed with the sentiment — now enshrined via a latticework of federal and provincial laws — that “anyone who wishes can identify as a woman.”

Sure - except that's not exactly how it works, nor is it how they think it works.

About the same number (34 per cent) sided with the notion that women are only those “who were born with female genitalia.” (?)

Thus shows the ignorance still of Joe Random.

Another 18 per cent were comfortable with the idea of men legally becoming women, but only if they changed their genitalia through surgery. (?)

Proving that it's ALLLLLL about the penis.

(We’re getting into that weird ground again between gender and sex, where so clear definitions are needed to not cloud the issue)

These results suggest that a slim majority of Canadians (52 per cent) are not on board with a recent spate of Canadian legal reforms upholding the principle of gender self-ID;

ALL gender is Self ID. But try telling some people that and they flip their shit.

the notion that only a personal attestation is necessary for a Canadian to begin living as a member of a different gender.

"Different gender" or ANY Gender.


Right up until the early 2010s, Canadians generally needed a doctor’s note or proof of sex-reassignment surgery to be legally recognized as a different gender.

Yeah, which is why trans was never as prevalent in society as it is now. BS like this.

But by 2017, a spate of tribunal decisions and policy updates had made self-ID the rule on everything from applying for a passport to playing for Team Canada.

It's not the ONLY thing that's needed... JFC...

The Angus Reid survey, which was released Sept. 19, also found a clear majority of Canadians opposed to the adoption of “gender neutral” terminology, particularly when it came to issues such as menstruation or childbirth. For instance, it is now standard for Canadian public health agencies to use the term “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women.”

Yes, because not all women can get pregnant. Sorry that actual respect of those who can't is somehow bad.

Select health agencies have also adopted the term “chestfeeding” as a synonym for “breastfeeding.”

Again, it's a respect thing because some people don't like the term "breastfeeding". And NOT just trans men or non-binary people.


"Some cisgender women (people whose gender identity aligns with what they were assigned at birth) might also use the term due to past trauma, so they prefer to use different language to discuss this part of their body."

(That said, I personally think it's dumb, but since the topic doesn't really concern me since I've never had a baby... no skin off my butt either way)

Angus Reid found that 67 per cent of respondents objected to this trend, agreeing with the statement that it “devalues the female identity in society.”

Unless you are someone who this affects - as in the person who would rather use the term chestfeeding instead of breastfeeding - get the fuck over yourself. There are lots of words out there used for things that people don't like. This is just another. Suck it up.

Even among under-34 women — usually the group most accepting of gender-neutral language — 50 per cent were opposed.

“For these issues that focus specifically on female identity, motherhood, and birth, there is little appetite for gender-neutral language,” concluded pollsters.

So they'd rather insult people who don't fit these molds exactly. Got'cha.

A similar proportion were also opposed to a new trend of attached pronouns (ie: he/him, she/her) to one’s name in emails, social media posts or even in in-person introduction.

FFS - if you don't want to use pronouns tagged on your email or WTF ever, then DON'T.

JFC, no one is forcing you to put those things in...

(While this is not mandatory among federal civil servants, it is encouraged and increasingly common, with the Department of National Defence even officially observing “International Pronouns Day” every Oct. 15)

I can see the point officially though - I mean, imagine coming across someone named Kelly Smith. That's it, that's all you see. So you email her and oops, it's not a her, but a him (cause men can be called Kelly). Or Quinn, or Skylar, or any other goddamn name...

Of Angus Reid respondents, 66 per cent disagreed with the statement “everyone should put their pronouns in their social media profiles.”

Well that I can agree with. I mean, I don't, but then I don't give a flying fig what I'm called, to be honest. I've been called both so... whatever.

Meanwhile, that same survey identified several clear indicators that respondents were personally welcoming of trans identities among their social circle, and believed transgender Canadians faced disproportionate rates of discrimination!!

At least they recognized that bit of truth.

More than two thirds (71 per cent) said transgender Canadians “face a lot of discrimination in their daily lives,” while 69 per cent said that if their child identified as transgender, they would affirm the new identity.

No shit.

Though I'm suspect about those who would affirm their kids identity. Easy to say but until that moment hits... yeah; no. Heard too many stories that say otherwise.

Skepticism returned, however, when it came to the issue of hormone therapy in minors; 63 per cent were against it, with opposition rising depending on how young the child was.

Okay, so no hormones for kids. Including for other medical issues like precocious puberty. Block it for one, block it for all.

The new survey fits into a broader theme that has been showing up in Canadian polling data for at least the last five years: A broad consensus of Canadians want transgender Canadians to live lives of legal equality free from discrimination!!

And yet out of the other side of their mouths, you get shit like the protests on Wednesday...

And you wonder why Trans and other GLBTQIA+ people don't believe any of this.

….while at the same time being leery about issues such as biological men in women’s spaces, or gender surgery for minors.

And there you have it, folks, ignorance at it's best!

This "Survey" does nothing but prove Canadians are fucking idiots when it comes to trans issues, and believe bullshit, not actual facts.

As far back as 2016, Angus Reid found more than 80 per cent of Canadians supporting the addition of gender identity to the country’s anti-discrimination laws, but respondents were more skeptical of a push to have transgender people use washrooms and change rooms that accorded with their gender identity, rather than their biological sex.

Gender Identity & Biological Sex used as two distinctive terms. Seems like progress. Can’t fight if you don’t know what you’re fighting over. 😉

Trans and other GLBTQIA+ people know what they're fighting for. It's the rest who have no goddamn clue, and don't want to even listen.