2015; Does Stephen Harper and the Conservatives deserve another chance?

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I would hope that there will be refineries set up onsite and refined oil trucked out to ports. Surely, cutting down on what Canadians do not feel comfortable with i.e., weapons, the money be spent on other than shipping out our young men and women to fight. Oh my such heresy, right?? Imagine supporting other countries in giving up their young. We are a huge country that has already spent the lives of many of our young in two world wars and in other minor wars since. It is time to rebuild our population and not spend the best of our resources on the interests of others who can afford the price. We cannot!!

Canada went into Afghanistan as a peace keeping agency. Our troops were posted front line in front of the active forces. For goodness sake when will Canada, back away from situations that put our youngest and best out front of other forces who have an agenda??
Canada did not go into Afganistan as peacekeepers . Sorry pure b.s.


We need to rebuild are population due to all those we lost in the great wars . Never hear of baby boomers ?

Then I guess, it is time to do more in the way of manufacturing instead of selling the raw materials to other countries right? Gee, I guess instead of going to war, we could have put all those young people to work with those hundred of million or billions on building those corridors.

Afghanistan was supposed to have been merely peace keeping just as the present government promised no feet on the ground in these wars.

In any case, I will not vote for Harper and I am not alone. Governments need to be changed or they become corrupt, and in my opinion, this government has passed it's best before date.
Go back and read up on the time , Afganistan was never ever about peace keeping it was about killing Taliban ,and Canadians were very good at it . Canada did do some peacekeeping in Cyprus those many years ago ,you must be confusing the two .
 

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And just exactly who would you vote for to improve the situation? :):) :) :)
I will listen to all the LOCAL representatives I know and trust/even those I don't trust so much and then I will listen to how the polls are going. At that point if the polls show the conservatives going in I will probably vote for the second party in line. A minority government is always good for the voters.
 

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I will listen to all the LOCAL representatives I know and trust/even those I don't trust so much and then I will listen to how the polls are going. At that point if the polls show the conservatives going in I will probably vote for the second party in line. A minority government is always good for the voters.

But we know from two recent elections (B.C. and Alberta) that the polls aren't accurate. In normal times I would pay attention to the local candidate but that only works when all the leaders are both honest and competent. We don't have that situation now. Harper (as slimy as he is), is competent- the others will break the bank.
 

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Then I guess, it is time to do more in the way of manufacturing instead of selling the raw materials to other countries right? Gee, I guess instead of going to war, we could have put all those young people to work with those hundred of million or billions on building those corridors.

Afghanistan was supposed to have been merely peace keeping just as the present government promised no feet on the ground in these wars.

In any case, I will not vote for Harper and I am not alone. Governments need to be changed or they become corrupt, and in my opinion, this government has passed it's best before date.

What will be manufactured to replace auto parts, ironworks, forestry products and food products?
 

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What will be manufactured to replace auto parts, ironworks, forestry products and food products?

Dodads, gizmos and thingamajigs. And latte cups. Lots and lots of disposable latte cups.

I forgot video games. Big money there. Takes thousands of highly paid Inuits to make video games.
 

JLM

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Only fools and PET fans would consider year after year after year of deficit budgets, "competent".

There's exceptions to every rule. Sometimes believe it or not it's smart to run a deficit even several years running. Interest rates are rock bottom right now and have been for several years. Infrastructure is something that should be maintained in a timely manner and if you can get ahead of it a bit while interest rates are low that is just smart thinking. On a domestic front I'm in the process of doing renos on my house which will have to be done in the next few years any way to increase the value for resale and as interest rates are "in the basement" now, I'm actually getting the work done on the cheap. So yes, Stephen Harper is very competent albeit it a little slimy! :)
 

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There's exceptions to every rule. Sometimes believe it or not it's smart to run a deficit even several years running. Interest rates are rock bottom right now and have been for several years. Infrastructure is something that should be maintained in a timely manner and if you can get ahead of it a bit while interest rates are low that is just smart thinking. On a domestic front I'm in the process of doing renos on my house which will have to be done in the next few years any way to increase the value for resale and as interest rates are "in the basement" now, I'm actually getting the work done on the cheap. So yes, Stephen Harper is very competent albeit it a little slimy! :)

Pierre would be proud of you.
 

Kreskin

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Only fools and PET fans would consider year after year after year of deficit budgets, "competent".
Yet everyone complains of his cost cutting. Imagine if he spent like a drunken sailor as the opposition plans to do.
 

JLM

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Pierre would be proud of you.

Sometimes when you don't have much to say, it's better to say nothing. (I doubt if you know what Pierre would have been proud of)

Yet everyone complains of his cost cutting. Imagine if he spent like a drunken sailor as the opposition plans to do.

Yep, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Most people want the Gov't to spend money and most have their pet projects. Everyone wants more pay, lower taxes, more services etc. Eventually something has to give!

Only fools and PET fans would consider year after year after year of deficit budgets, "competent".

"Sometimes it's better to remain silent and appear a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :) :) :) :)
 

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"Sometimes it's better to remain silent and appear a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :) :) :) :)
Actually, that was one of those rare lucid moments Cannuck had. Harpo has produced nothing but deficits, so why do people think he is such a great financial wiz?

Here is what the natives think of him:
 

Kreskin

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Actually, that was one of those rare lucid moments Cannuck had. Harpo has produced nothing but deficits, so why do people think he is such a great financial wiz?

Here is what the natives think of him:
And that is because he doesn't give them more money?
 

JLM

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Actually, that was one of those rare lucid moments Cannuck had. Harpo has produced nothing but deficits, so why do people think he is such a great financial wiz?

I think he deserves credit for keeping taxes fairly low. The Port Mann bridge was replaced during his term, it needed replacing at some point - when traffic is sitting idling that is very wasteful from a financial stand point and creates a lot of pollution, so I think it's a feather in his cap (no disrespect to Indians) to do it while interest rates are low. J.M.H.O. One thing for sure, in the intelligence department he is head and shoulders over Cannuck (who can't even spell his nom de plume correctly) :) :) :) :)
 

Cannuck

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Sometimes when you don't have much to say, it's better to say nothing. (I doubt if you know what Pierre would have been proud of)
You're so silly JLM. 30% increase in government spending in his first four years....deficit budgets.... What exactly has Harper done that is to be proud of. Granted, he may have done one or two things that were good but every government can be credited with a few good things. I see it bothers you (and Wally in particular) to have me highlight Harpers ridiculously inept fiscal management but you need to get over it.

https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf
 

Cliffy

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And that is because he doesn't give them more money?
You think it is all about money? You can't eat, drink or breath money.

While the organizing group is calling themselves Solidarity with Land Defenders, it seems to be shaping up as a catch all for civil unrest and they are calling their action #ShutDownCanada.
There seems to be different manifestos based on the different regions and struggles in Canada -- everything from GMO crops to police brutality -- but here is a quick snapshot from their main page which does reference the high number of cases of murdered and missing Indigenous women:

The plan to shut down Canada? | rabble.ca

Natives like Theresa Spence?
There are over a million Indians in Canada and you can only think of one. You seem stuck somewhere in the past. You are the king of dumb statements.
 

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You think it is all about money? You can't eat, drink or breath money.

Spare me the rhetoric, at this point, you can't eat or drink without money.

There are over a million Indians in Canada and you can only think of one. You seem stuck somewhere in the past. You are the king of dumb statements.

She's an excellent example and highly indicative of the abuse visited on the average FN by their very own Chief and Council... You'll notice that while the general population on reserve stands a high probability of living in squalor, the senior people live like Kings and rake in any cash that enters their communities.

Blame Harper all you want, but it ain't he or his political party that abscond with the money and abuse those that perpetually go without
 

Cliffy

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Spare me the rhetoric, at this point, you can't eat or drink without money.



She's an excellent example and highly indicative of the abuse visited on the average FN by their very own Chief and Council... You'll notice that while the general population on reserve stands a high probability of living in squalor, the senior people live like Kings and rake in any cash that enters their communities.

Blame Harper all you want, but it ain't he or his political party that abscond with the money and abuse those that perpetually go without
60% of the Indian Affairs budget is eaten up by federal, provincial and municipal (non-native) governments in administration fees. I am well aware of corruption at the council level. And one can eat and drink without money. I don't pay for water running through the forest (my source of water) and anybody can grow their own food, even in urban concentration camps.