A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.

Socrates the Greek

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I lost my trucking company courtesy of Free Trade and GST - about three-quarters of a millon dollars in net worth. I invested money even after Free Trade believing they couldn't trade away a hole in the ground. Guess what. With GST came a slump in the construction industry and Canada Cement wasn't moving product. Now, Standard Aggregates - the contract company - and Canada Cement are part of the American LaFarge Group. They can Free Trade away a hole in the ground.

Do you recall a worldwide recession right when Rae was elected? How can you blame him for circumstance?

Ye I lost a company I had for 15 years and was doing well and employing people through out my 15 years, the GST WAS THE NAIL TO THE COFFIN OF MY BUSINESS.
Lost a commercial property in the hands of Mulroney’s time. The Conservatives will harm Canada once again…………

 

Risus

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Ye I lost a company I had for 15 years and was doing well and employing people through out my 15 years, the GST WAS THE NAIL TO THE COFFIN OF MY BUSINESS.
Lost a commercial property in the hands of Mulroney’s time. The Conservatives will harm Canada once again…………
The GST had nothing to do with it... poor management was.

Anywas the GST replaced the higher (by 4%) manufacturing tax, so the cost of goods actually went down. I guess you don't understand what reduced taxes actually means.
 

Risus

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What I would like to know is where is all this money the liberals are promising to give away will be coming from. I guess the taxes will be going up.
 

Socrates the Greek

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The GST had nothing to do with it... poor management was.

Anywas the GST replaced the higher (by 4%) manufacturing tax, so the cost of goods actually went down. I guess you don't understand what reduced taxes actually means.

Hey Risus have you ever had a business of your own where you employed people for a good stretch……..?
Let me clue you in………….If you did not have a company during the GST death tax to some business you don’t know what you are talking about…… The GST was administered in the most stupidest way… Privately you don’t pay GST AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY THE GST WAS APPLICABLE.
Do you know what that did to many businesses? It shut me down because the people would rather save the 7% at the time being that the privet sector could not retrieve that stupid tax………….Risus give me some more BLA BLA on the GST….
 

lone wolf

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The GST had nothing to do with it... poor management was.

Anywas the GST replaced the higher (by 4%) manufacturing tax, so the cost of goods actually went down. I guess you don't understand what reduced taxes actually means.

Manufacturers Retail Tax was 11% levied on a hundred thousand manufacturers (many of whom were traded away by Free Trade) where GST was 7% levied on 25 million people's purchases. How's your arithmetic?
 

lone wolf

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I blame Rae because it was dirrect. A 3 year long public works project that my firm had invested in working on was cancelled by Rae overnight...very direct!

Rae didn't cause the economic downturn. Rae didn't introduce GST. Rae didn't cut transfer payments to Ontario when Paul Martin became the new federal Liberal finance Minister. There's more goes on over the horizon that a Provincial government can do nothing to stop. Believe what you want ... but you're barking up the wrong tree.
 

Risus

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Manufacturers Retail Tax was 11% levied on a hundred thousand manufacturers (many of whom were traded away by Free Trade) where GST was 7% levied on 25 million people's purchases. How's your arithmetic?
I think you had better go back to grade 1. 11-7=4
 

Risus

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Instead of shooting off your mouth, put it where your money is and make the correction!

7 percent on 25 million is a LOT more than 11% on even a million. Wise up....
Be that as it may, where is the billions of promises from the libs gunna come from??? Oh yeah, raise taxes.... The opposite of what will happen with a conservative government...
 

Spocq

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Be that as it may, where is the billions of promises from the libs gunna come from??? Oh yeah, raise taxes.... The opposite of what will happen with a conservative government...

Well 50 billion will come from the tax cuts Harper would give to big businesses. And a lot will come from the carbon tax :)

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Machjo

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It really is a shame...

I tend to agree with Harper on most points. It's just too bad that the few points I do disagree with him on are precisely those points on which I cannot compromise.

And then for the Greens, I disagree with most of what they say, but the few points I do agree on, I agree on wholeheartedly.

Oh it's going to be a tough call for me this election.
 

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I miss the good old days when the right wing agenda concerned business and capitalism. But today the right wing neocons agenda of Bush and Harper is about death and destruction. Do Canadians really want to give Harper the same power as Bush?

"America, and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world," - a speech Stephen Harper made eight years ago to a conservative American think-tank.

"The time has come to recognize that the U.S. will continue to exercise unprecedented power in a world where international rules are still unreliable and where security and advancing of the free democratic order still depend significantly on the possession and use of military might."
- Stephen Harper, May, 2003, speech to the Institute for Research on Public Policy.

"Mr. Speaker, the issue of war requires moral leadership. We believe the government should stand by our troops, our friends and our allies and do everything necessary to support them right through to victory."
- Stephen Harper, supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, April 1, 2003.

"This government's only explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn't get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations - a body [on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat."
- Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, CTV's Question Period, March 30, 2003.

"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them."
- Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.

Harper supports the neocon agenda and is willing and eager to commit the same atrocities as Bush which has resulted in the deaths of a hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. That alone should be sufficient reason for Canadians not to give Harper a majority.

Consider:

Nothing has ever been found in Iraq before or after the invasion justifying Harper's statements in support of Bush's war crimes in Iraq
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SECURITY COUNCIL 7 MARCH 2003



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Mr. President,

Let me conclude by telling you that UNMOVIC is currently drafting the work programme, which resolution 1284 (1999) requires us to submit this month. It will obviously contain our proposed list of key remaining disarmament tasks; it will describe the reinforced system of ongoing monitoring and verification that the Council has asked us to implement; it will also describe the various subsystems which constitute the programme, e.g. for aerial surveillance, for information from governments and suppliers, for sampling, for the checking of road traffic, etc.

How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

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More than a million Iraqi civilians have died as a result of this Harper supported war crime!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties



UN Secretary General Annan: Iraq invasion is a War Crime

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=iraq&Cr1



...the Iraq war and the effort to justify it even in part in humanitarian terms risk giving humanitarian intervention a bad name:

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm

 

Spocq

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If Harper does get majority and he does get us involved in these wars which many Canadians believe will happen. It will put this country a lot deeper in debt then any of the other parties might.

From what i understand Harper (conservatives) have been cutting back on social programs, health care and education. IMHO this is creating a lot of suffering and is not good for our country.

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More than a million Iraqi civilians have died as a result of this Harper supported war crime!

This is EAO, misleading. The estimate is just that......an estimate. Not only that, out of many such estimates, you choose the one with the highest numbers, and then quoted a number closer to the high end of the possible range in their estimate.

Far far from truth.

Be honest.

Quote the low estimates, and the high estimates. Let the reader decide which is true........and point out that the vast majority of these deaths have been caused by Islamo-fascist terrorists in ethnic murder......not directly by US troops.

Let the reader decide ultimate responsibility.

Anything else is dishonest.
 

lone wolf

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If Harper does get majority and he does get us involved in these wars which many Canadians believe will happen. It will put this country a lot deeper in debt then any of the other parties might.

From what i understand Harper (conservatives) have been cutting back on social programs, health care and education. IMHO this is creating a lot of suffering and is not good for our country.

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Real sweaters, kids and fuzzy bunnies image, eh? He doesn't speak of his policies because they're a smoke-screen for the agenda. It's just Common Sense....
 

Spocq

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Colpy God says thou shalt not kill. So killing one innocent person is one to many, let alone thousands or hundred's of thousands. As you stated in a previous post that many conservatives are religious. How can they vote for someone who supports killing, especially when innocent people get killed.

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This is EAO, misleading. The estimate is just that......an estimate. Not only that, out of many such estimates, you choose the one with the highest numbers, and then quoted a number closer to the high end of the possible range in their estimate.

Far far from truth.

Be honest.

Quote the low estimates, and the high estimates. Let the reader decide which is true........and point out that the vast majority of these deaths have been caused by Islamo-fascist terrorists in ethnic murder......not directly by US troops.

Let the reader decide ultimate responsibility.

Anything else is dishonest.

Hey Colpy, you are a bald faced sack of lies and misinformation, the number Earth-As-One gave is verified as correct by the most trusted of NGOs and Lancet. In fact it does not take into account the deaths connected to starvation and disease. Nor did it includes the five to six million other deaths in the conflict zone from child malnutrition, our crimes in Afghanistan alone condemn us to live as war criminals guilty of the highest crimes.
 

Northboy

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As one that works with government on economic development matters, I can say that Mr. Harper's management of such things that effect our collective future has been obstructive and regressive. Empowering average people doesn't seem to be in the Conservative's vocabulary.