A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.

Zzarchov

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If he's had a majority, how come he didn't get to write the budget?

Being a minority government doesn't mean you get brought down every 2 weeks, it means you need to work togethor to find common ground.
 
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ottawabill

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That would be fine except we have a dsyfunctional system with brat's as players...what common ground do you speak of...Or Canadian way is all about finger pointing and blame..

If there is to be common ground..we need common goals..this country is not there yet!
 

lone wolf

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See ... common ground is something you BOTH seek. That takes co-operation. Harper's way is complete control - to manipulate to his advantage - which makes him a spoiled BRAT.
 

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It seems obvious to me that if the US goes to war for any reason that Harper will do everything he can to have Canadians fighting along side them. I feel going to war for almost any reason is a huge mistake. Only in rare cases where everything else has been tried to solve the situation and then we should make sure innocent people are not harmed!

Violence generates Violence!

This is a vicious cycle that has been going on for ages in some cases. Who will stop the Violence from continuing to spread like a fungus? Those who are the most intelligent and more fully understand the concept "violence generates violence". What we put in we get out! if we put violence in we get violence back out, but if we have respect and show kindness we are more apt to be treated with respect and kindness. We should be aware of one thing though, those who have had a lot of violence put into their lives will need more respect and kindness to balance the scale.

I seen on TV today a reporter referring to Harper as a wolf in sheep's clothing and yesterday or this morning someone else said "grandma what big teeth you have" referring to Harper

The more I hear about Harper the bigger the "STOP" sign I see!

Join the revolution, go green!

The truth will set us free
 

ottawabill

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It seems obvious to me that if the US goes to war for any reason that Harper will do everything he can to have Canadians fighting along side them. I feel going to war for almost any reason is a huge mistake. Only in rare cases where everything else has been tried to solve the situation and then we should make sure innocent people are not harmed!

Violence generates Violence!

This is a vicious cycle that has been going on for ages in some cases. Who will stop the Violence from continuing to spread like a fungus? Those who are the most intelligent and more fully understand the concept "violence generates violence". What we put in we get out! if we put violence in we get violence back out, but if we have respect and show kindness we are more apt to be treated with respect and kindness. We should be aware of one thing though, those who have had a lot of violence put into their lives will need more respect and kindness to balance the scale.

I seen on TV today a reporter referring to Harper as a wolf in sheep's clothing and yesterday or this morning someone else said "grandma what big teeth you have" referring to Harper

The more I hear about Harper the bigger the "STOP" sign I see!

Join the revolution, go green!

The truth will set us free

If the truth will set you free you will need the truth first! If you want to be sure innocent people are not hurt then we need to be in many more areas of the world than we are right now. These are not happy places with content people how go about their business until the mean American's or Canadians show up.

Ms. May says we should pull out, have the U.N take over and be as peace keepers in Afghanistan. Well first the U.N will not take it on, second if you are to peace keep and rebuild you need the enemy to stop shooting at you. they are not shooting because we are..they have been all along. How supported the 9/11 attachs anyways. WEhat makes you thingk Canada was exempt from them..we are all considered western Christain infidels to them. They don't care if you are Canadian, German or American.

The reason you see all this "wolf in sheeps clothing is because the liberal media whats to alway have you think there is a hidden agenda from the right. I have yet to ever see this from any right of centre party in this country yet? Even Mike Harris of ontario just did what he said he'd do.For all that matters the only group who i constantly see doing very different than what they say during elections are the liberals and the ndp. Remember "kill the gst" (fed Liberals) provincial cheap insurance for Ontario (NDP Ontario)
 

lone wolf

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Even Mike Harris of ontario just did what he said he'd do.For all that matters the only group who i constantly see doing very different than what they say during elections are the liberals and the ndp. Remember "kill the gst" (fed Liberals) provincial cheap insurance for Ontario (NDP Ontario)

Do you even know what level of government is having the election? Harris did what he said he'd do - in completely unannounceded ways. Harris policies only matter in this election in that the architect of the Conman Sense Revolution is the spin doctor for Harper's image too. Why do you suppose he's concentrating on a wholesome "I'm-a-nice-family-guy" image and avoiding platform issues? That, my friend, smoke-screens an AGENDA.

You sort of see things in the exact opposite to reality don't you?
 
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ottawabill

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Of course I now what lection this is..but where is all the proof for the constant talk of hidden agendas? I watched Jack on cbc last night never plainly answering anything..why..so he wouldn't be pegged if he got in..would have free rein ..If he has no hidden agendas why not answer questions dirrectly?
 

lone wolf

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Of course I now what lection this is..but where is all the proof for the constant talk of hidden agendas? I watched Jack on cbc last night never plainly answering anything..why..so he wouldn't be pegged if he got in..would have free rein ..If he has no hidden agendas why not answer questions dirrectly?

Are you for real??? As if Harper is going to say anything about the real truth. Harris didn't either. Do a little research. Check out Tom Long (politician) He's the yank who groomed Harris and he's the yank who's grooming Harper.

I watched Jack on CBC too. Why did I hear responses? We hear what we hear. Sometimes, you just have to shut your mouth and open your mind.
 

ottawabill

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I don't remember any Harris policy no been set out proir to the election. It was either no one beleived he would do it (cause no one else had ever followed their plateform) or the fact that it was more turmoil than expected making it seem like a differnet approach. He said he would work on the school system, the tax base and stop the free rides...Thats what he worked on after the election too...so again where are these hidden agendas?
 

lone wolf

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I don't remember any Harris policy no been set out proir to the election. It was either no one beleived he would do it (cause no one else had ever followed their plateform) or the fact that it was more turmoil than expected making it seem like a differnet approach. He said he would work on the school system, the tax base and stop the free rides...Thats what he worked on after the election too...so again where are these hidden agendas?

I know what was promised. Why else would I ever vote for a Tory? I believed in what I heard. I was aghast at what I saw ... and lived ... and almost didn't survive.
 

ottawabill

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well we all have our personal stories don't we.... I lost my job under Ontario NDP cutbacks and never did so we as under Mike Harris..depends doesn't it?
 

lone wolf

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well we all have our personal stories don't we.... I lost my job under Ontario NDP cutbacks and never did so we as under Mike Harris..depends doesn't it?

Can you say that in English now? Rae days were better than no days ... and massive cuts where a Harris thing as he privatized government services. What job did you have? Peterson's driver maybe....
 

ottawabill

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I work in building...cutbacks were public projects during Rae...many private sector building projects during Harris...again depends on what you do doesn't it? My taxes were cut, I brought home more..I bought a house I could afford before.
 

lone wolf

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I work in building...cutbacks were public projects during Rae...many private sector building projects during Harris...again depends on what you do doesn't it? My taxes were cut, I brought home more..I bought a house I could afford before.

I lost my trucking company courtesy of Free Trade and GST - about three-quarters of a millon dollars in net worth. I invested money even after Free Trade believing they couldn't trade away a hole in the ground. Guess what. With GST came a slump in the construction industry and Canada Cement wasn't moving product. Now, Standard Aggregates - the contract company - and Canada Cement are part of the American LaFarge Group. They can Free Trade away a hole in the ground.

Do you recall a worldwide recession right when Rae was elected? How can you blame him for circumstance?
 

Zzarchov

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I work in building...cutbacks were public projects during Rae...many private sector building projects during Harris...again depends on what you do doesn't it? My taxes were cut, I brought home more..I bought a house I could afford before.

The real question is did the lower taxes make you more or less money in the long run?

Taxes are (when run right) an investment. The idea being the investment makes you more money.

No sane person would ever suggest that cutting investments is a way to make more money. You only ever want to cut useless or poor investments. But the idea should be to reinvest.

You work in construction if im reading right?, if the lower taxes means services the economy depends on vanish (Things like healthcare save employers money, not to mention the higher utility prices from private ownership), then the economy slumps, then no new work.

Whats important isn't the percentage of taxes you pay, its how much income you have and how many expenses you have.

I'd rather higher taxes and more actual disposable income than lower taxes and no disposable income.
 

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And it's a real bugger when you have low income and high taxes like quite a few seniors I know. As far as I am concerned they should get a break; they paid their whole lives, prices go up faster than their income, and then gov'ts stick it to them till the death.
 

ottawabill

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I lost my trucking company courtesy of Free Trade and GST - about three-quarters of a millon dollars in net worth. I invested money even after Free Trade believing they couldn't trade away a hole in the ground. Guess what. With GST came a slump in the construction industry and Canada Cement wasn't moving product. Now, Standard Aggregates - the contract company - and Canada Cement are part of the American LaFarge Group. They can Free Trade away a hole in the ground.

Do you recall a worldwide recession right when Rae was elected? How can you blame him for circumstance?
I blame Rae because it was dirrect. A 3 year long public works project that my firm had invested in working on was cancelled by Rae overnight...very direct!
 

ottawabill

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I never suggested NO tax...I never suggested NO services, but the typical response to problems in this country is to throw more money at it. Well more money means higher tax rates. Take your talk of healthcare. The last thing we need is more money in the system as hospital ceo's take vacations to whereever they want all paid for ..whole family too... We need better admin, cost effectiveness, very few are interested in opening up these talks since the min you do you must want U.S. style medicare..

"when run right" can be lower taxes since there is lower waste