Omar Khadr....

[earth_as_one]

There is evidence to support both allegations. Both allegations should be investigated and judged according to a fair and objective process.

Does anyone here believe that's what's happening in this case?

CB, Omar Khadr's mother and sister are here in Canada. That's Canada's jurisdiction. Omar Khadr is held by Americans. Cannot cannot force the US or any nation to do anything. But we can demand that other countries treat Canadians according to minimum standards of fairness and humaneness or face a punitive response appropriate to the transgression.

 

[DurkaDurka]

There is evidence to support both allegations. Both allegations should be investigated and judged according to a fair and objective process.

Does anyone here believe that's what's happening in this case?

CB, Omar Khadr's mother and sister are here in Canada. That's Canada's jurisdiction. Omar Khadr is held by Americans. Cannot cannot force the US or any nation to do anything. But we can demand that other countries treat Canadians according to minimum standards of fairness and humaneness or face a punitive response appropriate to the transgression.

Earth, I'm sure he will appreciate you as a material witness

 

[earth_as_one]

That's horse excrement. Firstly, if captured by the enemy you'd be lucky to be alive for longer than a REM cycle, let alone suffer sleep deprivation, which is so far the worst of the accusations of torture re little Mr. Khadr.

Secondly, along with the rights of Canadian citizenship come responsibilities....one of which is to NOT take up arms against Canadians.

While not pleasant, most Koreans captives survived their ordeal. It included two executions and many beatings.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ixqD9dQCC6kV6O6uwkF79RUu-DGw

The people who ended up in Guantanamo and an unknown number of similar American torture chambers faced summary execution, torture and indefinite incarceration or execution after a highly flawed and biased judicial process. Many American detainees have been waterboarded to near death and revived repeatedly and experience weeks or months of sleep deprivation, shackled in painful positions, drugs, loud noise.... All US government approved interrogation techniques.

Given a choice, I'd rather be held captive by the Taliban than by the Americans. But that's not saying much about the Taliban....

 

[DurkaDurka]

While not pleasant, most Koreans captives survived their ordeal. It included two executions and many beatings.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ixqD9dQCC6kV6O6uwkF79RUu-DGw

The people who ended up in Guantanamo and an unknown number of similar American torture chambers faced summary execution, torture and indefinite incarceration or execution after a highly flawed and biased judicial process. Many American detainees have been waterboarded to near death and revived repeatedly and experience weeks or months of sleep deprivation, shackled in painful positions, drugs, loud noise.... All US government approved interrogation techniques.

Given a choice, I'd rather be held captive by the Taliban than by the Americans. But that's not saying much about the Taliban....

Really now, I'm sue they would love having a know-it tall white boy telling them how it is.

 

[darkbeaver]

A passport is a calling card. If they have to use that passport as a get out of jail free card because they've been caught with their hands in someone else's cookie jar, then they deserve their lumps. A citizenship used as a convenience is every bit as wrong as a foreign paramilitary organization or criminal using Canadian passports to get by security.

What was Khadrs aleged crime in which he employed his passport?

 

[DurkaDurka]

What was Khadrs aleged crime in which he employed his passport

What crimes have you commited since becoming a naturlized bum?

 

[darkbeaver]

What was Khadrs aleged crime in which he employed his passport

What crimes have you commited since becoming a naturlized bum?

It didn't take you to long to start thinking about my bum again.

 

[earth_as_one]

Really now, I'm sue they would love having a know-it tall white boy telling them how it is.

I'm just comparing the treatment of the Koreans by the Taliban and the Taliban by the Americans from what I believe I know about both situations.

I'd say the Koreans were treated better and that's a pretty sad statement about the US.

 

[DurkaDurka]

I'm just comparing the treatment of the Koreans by the Taliban and the Taliban by the Americans from what I believe I know about both situations.

I'd say the Koreans were treated better and that's a pretty sad statement about the US.

You racist SOB, how could you say such a thing knowing where I was born?

 

[earth_as_one]

There is evidence to support both allegations. Both allegations should be investigated and judged according to a fair and objective process.

Does anyone here believe that's what's happening in this case?

To those of you who agree with Khadr's treatment:

1) Are you certain the investigation of Omar Khadr alleged crimes has been a fair and objective process so far?

2) Do you believe that Khadr's treatment has met minimum standards of humaneness and fairness?

3) Do you believe Khadr's claims of being tortured will be investigated by a fair and objective process?

I am interested in your opinions because I can't understand how anyone could anyone could say yes to all three. Can someone please explain their rationale?

 

[earth_as_one]

You racist SOB, how could you say such a thing knowing where I was born?

You are hilarious DD. I have no idea where you were born.

 

[DurkaDurka]

To those of you who agree with Khadr's treatment:

1) Are you certain the investigation of Omar Khadr alleged crimes has been a fair and objective process so far?

2) Do you believe that Khadr's treatment has met minimum standards of humaneness and fairness?

3) Do you believe Khadr's claims of being tortured will be investigated by a fair and objective process?

I am interested in your opinions because I can't understand how anyone could anyone could say yes to all three. Can someone please explain their rationale?

I would love to attend a party with the Khad4r's, knowing db has a vested interest in them. DB, the dumb loving criminal giving the KKK a bad name.

 

[gerryh]

Really now, I'm sue they would love having a know-it tall white boy telling them how it is.

The above is a racist comment. No surprise from a dirty dog eater.8O

 

[DurkaDurka]

The above is a racist comment. No surprise from a dirty dog eater.8O

Gerry, as much as you hate to admit it, I am your son. I get better looking ladies though

 

[gerryh]

can't be....I'm not into bangin slant eyes.

 

[DurkaDurka]

can't be....I'm not into bangin slant eyes.

haha, you dirty bastard, Gerry

 

[Just the Facts]

I'm just comparing the treatment of the Koreans by the Taliban and the Taliban by the Americans from what I believe I know about both situations.

I'd say the Koreans were treated better and that's a pretty sad statement about the US.

If I recall correctly a couple of the Korean hostages were killed. They weren't combatants, or even suspected of being combatants. I don't think any of the released hostages returned to Afghanistan to kill Talebans. There have been a number of prisoners released from Guantanimo who went straight back to the battle or became suicide bombers.

The Koreans were beaten for not embracing Islam, while prisoners at Guantanamo had their religion totally kow-towed to. You do recall the Army Imam caught smuggling papers out. How many pastors were allowed to visit the Koreans?

Still want to draw comparisons?

 

[no color]

By no mercy, does that mean you believe in torture? Specifically do you believe 15 year olds like Khadr should be tortured?

Most of the Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. They were the Afghan government and they allied themselves with the people allegedly behind the 9/11 terrorist attack. When Canada declared war on the Taliban, they became our enemies, not terrorists. The Taliban were defending themselves and their country from a foreign invasion force. That is a UN Charter right. People who fight to defend their country from foreign invasion forces are soldiers and therefore protected by international treaties and conventions in my opinion.

I believe in treating captured enemies in accordance with international treaties and conventions.

Khadr was a 15 year old child at the time. That makes him a child soldier. His treatment should have taken his age and status into account. He allied himself with Canada's enemies. That makes him a traitor. I believe in treating traitors in accordance with Canadian law.

HOGWASH! The Taliban was harboring Osamma Bin Laden who was directly responsible for the events of 9/11 which made the Taliban equal target in our war against terror. Khadr was fighting alongside the very same terrorists that are responsible for the casualties amungst our Canadian troops. I say he should spend the rest of his days in prison.

You noted above that the Taliban are not terrorists, but simply our enemy. That statement could not be further from the truth. If you don't consider the suicide bombing of innocent Afghan civilians a terrorist act, then what do you consider a terrorist act???

You also say that you believe in treating captured enemies in accordance with international treaties and conventions. That's fine, so do I, however does the Taliban share the same belief? We either abide by the Geneva convention or we don't. The Taliban chose not to. Why should we be placed at a disadvantage when the other side completely disregards the rules of warfare. I say fight fire with fire...

 

[darkbeaver]

HOGWASH! The Taliban was harboring Osamma Bin Laden who was directly responsible for the events of 9/11 which made the Taliban equal target in our war against terror. Khadr was fighting alongside the very same terrorists that are responsible for the casualties amungst our Canadian troops. I say he should spend the rest of his days in prison.

You noted above that the Taliban are not terrorists, but simply our enemy. That statement could not be further from the truth. If you don't consider the suicide bombing of innocent Afghan civilians a terrorist act, then what do you consider a terrorist act???

You also say that you believe in treating captured enemies in accordance with international treaties and conventions. That's fine, so do I, however does the Taliban share the same belief? We either abide by the Geneva convention or we don't. The Taliban chose not to. Why should we be placed at a disadvantage when the other side completely disregards the rules of warfare. I say fight fire with fire...

How come firetrucks carry water then?

 

[CDNBear]

How come firetrucks carry water then?

They don't.