Omar Khadr....

[Praxius]

Oh the bleeding hearts.

Like I said before. We should let him go and Canada should have a ticker tape parade for the sweet little al-queda fighter.

"He was just touring the world, the poor little baby. Bless his little heart."

Geez, for someone who claims to have been in the Marines, I would have expected you would have a little shred of education on what Child Soldiers are and what should be done with them under the UN's charter of human rights.

First you have to prove he actually tossed the grenade... secondly if found guilty of that, he is classified as a child soldier.... thirdly, a child soldier should be re-introduced back into society and try and make them not a total loss.

But your and every other ignorant's view on this situation, has not only ignored human rights, the classification of a child soldier, and just want to jump ahead to him being an adult, a terrorist, and guilty without a legal trial..... because it's easier, and it helps the US propaganda machine to show the public just how evil they are for having kids in their forces fighting as terrorists......

..... Oh yeah, that's right.... Innocent until proven guilty.

You know something.... I'd probably throw him the damn parade just to piss you and every other US citizen and official off, just for creating this BS mess in the first place.... and if that's what you guys expect us to do.... why the hell not?

It's funny how many here would defend and sob over Brenda Martin's detainment in Mexico for her shady involvment with ripping that country off.... then you all fought to get her sent here to Canada, just to be let back out on the streets like nothing ever happened...... and then you're all willing and able to toss this kid to the lions because of what the US tells us he did, based on their screwed up and edited information.

An old sobbing media playing bag who had more evidence proving her guilt then anything get's the whole country backing her up.... and soon enough we'll get a movie from her stupid story.

Then we have a 15 year old boy brought over by his radical father to the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan to be brainwashed into what he does, got in the wrong place at the wrong time, US soldiers shoot him twice in the back as he coward into the corner, and they put the blame on him for something the evidence is proving as false.... sent him to Cuba to be tortured and threatened with rape, attacks from guard dogs, moving him every 3 hours to deprive him of proper sleep, falsified documents..... and half the country wants to hang him...... regardless that if he actually did it, he would be classified as a child soldier, and Canada itself has signed onto that agreement to reconize children soldiers and to rehabilitate them..... oh.... but since he's a citizen of our nation, he doesn't diserve the same treatment?

Seriously how fokked is that?

The thing I love the most, is that I couldn't care less if he was innocent or guilty of what he is charged with..... all I care about is a fair and open trial to find out if he did or not...... as many others want to happen.

Oh but I guess since there are people who believe in due process and a fair trial, we all must want him to be freed and we'll make him into a hero or something. If a fair trial will set him free, then apparently that's expressing the truth to what happened based on the evidence, and he was truly innocent..... but you guys all think and want him to be guilty, therefore if he goes through a fair trial, he'll be set free and you guys won't get your vengance.

Who's the real terrorists?

 

[earth_as_one]

Do you know what the difference is between watching an interrogation video and a torture tape? It’s the difference between watching a video of someone being interviewed after they have been raped, and watching the actual video of the rape.

What Khadr did or didn't do is beside the point. He is a Canadian citizen held in a foreign prison where he has been tortured. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. I expect the Canadian government to help Canadians in situations like Khadr. The Canadian government should not be able to pick and choose which Canadians they allow to be tortured. We should be able to rely on our government to fight to ensure Canadians are treated fairly and humanely by foreign governments including the US. What is happening to Khadr affects every single Canadian, living in Canada and abroad.

If Khadr is guilty of any crime, then he should be held accountable. Since he was fighting against a Canadian allie when he was captured, he is probably guilty of treason. I disagree that a soldier during a battle in a war should be tried for murder when they kill their adversary. I disagree with torturing POWs.

If we allow these things, then our adversaries can justify torturing captured Canadian soldiers and executing them for murder. What are we to say in response? We can do these things legally but you can't???? What goes around, comes around.

The way the US treats its adversaries violates nearly every treaty and convention related to war.

Any future punishment of Khadr should take into account his age, time served and his cruel and unusual treatment while in US custody. He should not be released from custody until he is no longer consdier a threat. Because of his cruel and unusual treatment, Khadr may remain a risk to society indefinitely.

It's really sad that Canada's closest allie has joined the ranks of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Iran and Israel as countries which practice torture.

May 23, 2008 by Associated Press
Rice Defends Post 9/11 Torture

by Matthew Lee

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday defended tough interrogation techniques for terrorism suspects approved by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11, saying they were necessary to protect America from new attacks....

I agree with General Romeo Dallaire:

Canada sinking to level of al Qaeda: Dallaire
Updated Tue. May. 13 2008

...Dallaire, whose troubling experiences during the 1994 Rwanda genocide helped make him an outspoken advocate of human rights, said the Khadr case points out a moral equivalence among Canada, the United States and al Qaeda.


The United States is ignoring its own laws in prosecuting Khadr and Canada is betraying itself by not fighting for Khadr's return home, he said.

He said the Americans were acting out of panic after 9/11 and Canada was playing politics and that left them no better than the terrorists.

"The minute you start playing with human rights, with conventions, with civil liberties, in order to say that you're doing it to protect yourself and you are going against those rights and conventions, you are no better than the guy who doesn't believe in them at all,'' he said.

"We are slipping down the slope of going down that same route.''

Tory MP Jason Kenney asked if Dallaire really believes that. He pointed to a number of al Qaeda outrages, including an incident in which the terror group reportedly outfitted mentally challenged young girls with explosive belts and sent them to their deaths in a Baghdad animal market.

"Is it your testimony that al Qaeda strapping up a 14-year-old girl with Down syndrome and sending her into a pet market to be remotely detonated is the moral equivalent to Canada's not making extraordinary political efforts for a transfer of Omar Khadr to this country?'' he asked.

Dallaire was adamant.

"If you want a black and white, and I'm only too prepared to give it to you, absolutely,'' he replied. "You're either with the law or not with the law. You're either guilty or you're not.'' ...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080513/khadr_bounty_080513/20080513

Finally someone with the balls to call it like it is. I am a proud Canadian, but I am ashamed of Canada's behavior regarding Khadr. I fully agree with Dallaire's assessment. We are sliding down a slippery path to a police state if we follow the US.

 

[no color]

Putting in my two cents ... I personally think this guy needs to do hard time at the very least. He was fighting alongside the very same Taliban terrorists that our Canadian troops are currently battling in Afghanistan. Let me rephrase that ... he was fighting alongside the very same terrorists that are killing our troops. Lock him up and throw away the key ... show no mercy.

 

[earth_as_one]

Absolutely correct...........except that other saving grace......the unconstitutional nature of his trial, clearly forbidden by the fifth amendment to the US Constitution. And that is ignoring the fact that his judge, who ruled in his favour, was forced out on his retirement birthday, even though he wanted to carry on to the end of the trial.

This becomes, as I said, Kafkaesque.

I'd have loved it if the US had shot him dead on the spot (in combat) or if they had turned him over as a foreign fighter to the Afghans, who could have shot him......but that didn't happen.

Now the thing has become such a farce that Canada should step in and request his release.

Quoting EagleSmack Oh the bleeding hearts.

Like I said before. We should let him go and Canada should have a ticker tape parade for the sweet little al-queda fighter.

"He was just touring the world, the poor little baby. Bless his little heart."

And that is EXACTLY what would happen, and it makes me sick.​

It is just that the alternative is worse.​

I doubt Khadr will get a parade. But his case has finally gotten the publicity it deserves and it exposes the morality and ethics of our government. The Liberals should have done something and they didn't. The neoconservatives had a chance to show they were more moral and ethical than the Liberals. Instead they've indicated that they fully support Khadr's treatment.

The new Liberals finally have taken up Khadr's case and that redeems them somewhat. But its shameful that what's happening now, wasn't happening as soon as Canadian government officials realized that a Canadian citizen was being tortured or was at risk of being tortured.

 

[darkbeaver]

Omar Khadr deserves several million euros in compensation. He also deserves the order of Canada for being brave and smart enough to fight the imperial pricks. He's a fine young man, Canada will need many like him in the next few years.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Omar Khadr deserves several million euros in compensation. He also deserves the order of Canada for being brave and smart enough to fight the imperial pricks. He's a fine young man, Canada will need many like him in the next few years.

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[earth_as_one]

Putting in my two cents ... I personally think this guy needs to do hard time at the very least. He was fighting alongside the very same Taliban terrorists that our Canadian troops are currently battling in Afghanistan. Let me rephrase that ... he was fighting alongside the very same terrorists that are killing our troops. Lock him up and throw away the key ... show no mercy.

By no mercy, does that mean you believe in torture? Specifically do you believe 15 year olds like Khadr should be tortured?

Most of the Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. They were the Afghan government and they allied themselves with the people allegedly behind the 9/11 terrorist attack. When Canada declared war on the Taliban, they became our enemies, not terrorists. The Taliban were defending themselves and their country from a foreign invasion force. That is a UN Charter right. People who fight to defend their country from foreign invasion forces are soldiers and therefore protected by international treaties and conventions in my opinion.

I believe in treating captured enemies in accordance with international treaties and conventions.

Khadr was a 15 year old child at the time. That makes him a child soldier. His treatment should have taken his age and status into account. He allied himself with Canada's enemies. That makes him a traitor. I believe in treating traitors in accordance with Canadian law.

 

[darkbeaver]

What the hell is wrong with you?

Gooday DurkaDurka. Wrong! Me WRONG? Post your certificate of rightness and I will assend into the pit of hell and bake for all eternity like like like a potatoe.:lol:

 

[DurkaDurka]

Gooday DurkaDurka. Wrong! Me WRONG? Post your certificate of rightness and I will assend into the pit of hell and bake for all eternity like like like a potatoe.:lol:

We need more people like Omar Khadr do we Beaver?

You need people like him to fight your proxy war against the evil imperialists? I guess you are too old and feeble to do any fighting of your own.

 

[darkbeaver]

We need more people like Omar Khadr do we Beaver?

You need people like him to fight your proxy war against the evil imperialists? I guess you are too old and feeble to do any fighting of your own.

And what do you need him for Durka? Old and feeble I am, but I can still hone a blade.
We have a fundemental difference of opinion. Stay out of my way. Yes, we need more of him and less of you.:lol:

 

[Praxius]

And yet you're all going on like he has been proven to have been in any combative role when captured. At this stage it isn't proven one way or another if he was fighting with the Taliban or was just in the compound when it all happened.

And the funny thing is that I see people in here complaining that he was fighting Canadian troops and therefore shouldn't get any help from us........ Tell me.... When the hell did the US troops who captured him suddenly turn into Canadian Troops?

If you guys want to accuse him of something, do it right.

Here's some simple reading that is commonly accepted..... get educated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

 

[DurkaDurka]

And what do you need him for Durka? Old and feeble I am, but I can still hone a blade.
We have a fundemental difference of opinion. Stay out of my way. Yes, we need more of him and less of you.:lol:

DB, I would be very surprised if you could wield a butter knife, let alone a sword or whatnot.

Do you really think people like Khadr would represent your intererests in any way?

 

[Praxius]

DB, I would be very surprised if you could wield a butter knife, let alone a sword or whatnot.

Do you really think people like Khadr would represent your intererests in any way?

Once again, you're assuming what he is like. Have you had the opportunity to actually hear what he has to say for himself, besides what has been heard in those videos to the CSIS operatives?

Probably no more then myself or anybody else.... yet it seems many here are fully willing to just let emotional appeal and altered reports fill in the blanks on his character and his intentions, not to mention what he is accused of doing.

This whole situation is a witch hunt in the worst sense of the term..... and it's the worst witch hunt, because all of everybody's hatred for the Taliban and "Terrorists" are all being thrown on this kid who was 15 years old at the time of the acusations.

Frig, half the people here are treating him like he was next to the thrown of Osama..... which even if he was involved, he was nowhere near as much of a threat then the average adult taliban soldier.... and I hardly doubt he is holding on some key information of the Taliban..... like they'd give all their secrets to a kid.

 

[earth_as_one]

And yet you're all going on like he has been proven to have been in any combative role when captured. At this stage it isn't proven one way or another if he was fighting with the Taliban or was just in the compound when it all happened.

And the funny thing is that I see people in here complaining that he was fighting Canadian troops and therefore shouldn't get any help from us........ Tell me.... When the hell did the US troops who captured him suddenly turn into Canadian Troops?

If you guys want to accuse him of something, do it right.

Here's some simple reading that is commonly accepted..... get educated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

Khadr is innocent until proven guilty.

What we know about Khadr comes mostly from the same sources that told us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and links to al Qaeda. Which means we know little to nothing reliable about Khadr. We need a fair and objective process to determine guilt. Even if Khadr is proven an agent of Canada's enemies, we cannot treat him inhumanely before or after that determination.

Torturing suspects may yield some useful intelligence. But there will always be an element of deception. The victim will tell the torturer anything they believe the torturer wants to hear rather than the truth. In the longterm, it increases public anger and outrage and leads to reciprocity. Torture escalates tension and accelerates the cycle of violence.

Canada must respect international law and our treaty obligations, otherwise these documents which define Canada and the rest of humanity aren't worth the paper they are written on.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Once again, you're assuming what he is like. Have you had the opportunity to actually hear what he has to say for himself, besides what has been heard in those videos to the CSIS operatives?

Probably no more then myself or anybody else.... yet it seems many here are fully willing to just let emotional appeal and altered reports fill in the blanks on his character and his intentions, not to mention what he is accused of doing.

This whole situation is a witch hunt in the worst sense of the term..... and it's the worst witch hunt, because all of everybody's hatred for the Taliban and "Terrorists" are all being thrown on this kid who was 15 years old at the time of the acusations.

Frig, half the people here are treating him like he was next to the thrown of Osama..... which even if he was involved, he was nowhere near as much of a threat then the average adult taliban soldier.... and I hardly doubt he is holding on some key information of the Taliban..... like they'd give all their secrets to a kid.

Regardless if he "killed" the US medic or not, I'm not talking about that. Him and his whole family have used and abused Canada as a whole. Canadians do not go to Afghanistan( a country he and his family are not citizens) of and engage in war against their own country. They are Canadians when it is convenient to them and thats it.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Khadr is innocent until proven guilty.

What we know about Khadr comes mostly from the same sources that told us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and links to al Qaeda. Which means we know little to nothing reliable about Khadr. We need a fair and objective process to determine guilt. Even if Khadr is proven an agent of Canada's enemies, we cannot treat him inhumanely before or after that determination.

Torturing suspects may yield some useful intelligence. But there will always be an element of deception. The victim will tell the torturer anything they believe the torturer wants to hear rather than the truth. In the longterm, it increases public anger and outrage and leads to reciprocity. Torture escalates tension and accelerates the cycle of violence.

Canada must respect international law and our treaty obligations, otherwise these documents which define Canada and the rest of humanity aren't worth the paper they are written on.

What we know about the Khadr's has been printed in many newspapers, due to them being interviewed extensively in Canada.

 

[CDNBear]

What we know about the Khadr's has been printed in many newspapers, due to them being interviewed extensively in Canada.

I loved the radio interview on the John Oakley show on AM 640, with his sister, whom lives in Scabados. I loved the contempt and scorn she holds for Canada. I really loved the part where she praised her brother for killing the American Soldiers.

Nope, he's innocent alrighty!

 

[DurkaDurka]

I loved the radio interview on the John Oakley show on AM 640, with his sister, whom lives in Scabados. I loved the contempt and scorn she holds for Canada. I really loved the part where she praised her brother for killing the American Soldiers.

Nope, he's innocent alrighty!

Suprisingly, they only moved back to Canada after their one son was crippled after the firefight which killled the patriarch of the family. The whole family is scum, I am embarassed to say that I live in the same country as people like this.

Chretien, the stupid **** her is, arranged with Pakistan to have him releases once due to him being a "human rights activist", only to have him and his family join the Taliban and their merry brigade of jihadist scum.

 

[earth_as_one]

Holding opinions contrary to the government or the majority is legal in Canada. They would have to be acting illegally in some way for them to be guilty.

Freedom of speech, doesn't just apply to people who agree with you.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Holding opinions contrary to the government or the majority is legal in Canada. They would have to be acting illegally in some way for them to be guilty.

Freedom of speech, just doesn't apply to people who agree with you.

Let me see, Earth. Does joining a jihad against Canadian forces and interests constitute a crime or not?

There is a probably a reason why the government denies the family passports.