Bush personnally authorized and signed 9-11.

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So are you saying that we knew the events of 9/11 were going to happen and the US Govt. just ignored them? Or are you saying that after the event information on Al Queda operatives in the US taking flight lessons and pieces of info like that were ignored?

Choice A and the information was all there and brought to the government as a serious threat to national security, and nothing was done... sources? Sure.... and I'll get some from outside of the US's Strangle Hold on media which seems to have affected your ability to collect this information yourself years ago when it first came out:

The White House had (at least ) 28 Advanced Intelligence Warnings Prior to 9/11
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html

^ Direct links to various and well known US Media agencies (CNN, NY Times, MSNBC and many others) who reported these advanced warnings, one in paticular:

"Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism."

Want more? Sure:

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

"On July 10, 2001, two months before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet met with his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, at CIA headquarters to review the latest on Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Black laid out the case, consisting of communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. It was a mass of fragments and dots that nonetheless made a compelling case, so compelling to Tenet that he decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately.

Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away. There was no practical way she could refuse such a request from the CIA director."

Another? Sure:

FBI Agent: Superiors Ignored Warnings Of Possible Terrorist Attack
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1526670/20060321/id_0.jhtml

"An FBI agent who suspected that a possible terrorist plot was in the works just weeks before the September 11, 2001, terror attacks said Monday that his superiors repeatedly blocked his efforts to warn of the plan.

Testifying at the sentencing trial of September 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui on Monday, Harry Samit, the FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui three weeks before the airliner hijackings that killed 3,000 people, said he tried to tell his superiors more than 70 times that he thought a hijacking plan might be in the works, according to a Reuters report.

"You tried to move heaven and earth to get a search warrant to search this man's belongings. You were obstructed," defense attorney Edward MacMahon said.
"From a particular individual in the [FBI's] Radical Fundamentalist Unit, yes sir, I was obstructed," Samit replied."

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Now with a load of goodies like the above, from officials and authorities who claimed they attempted on numerous occasions to warn and to take action against the threat.... what would be your conclusions as to why not one damn thing was done? By all means, my eyes are waiting to read your response.... or is all of the above the same as hologram planes?

Well if you believe it to be an inside job I think the CIA/FBI ran a pretty successful mission don't you?

If you say so. Based on the above links I supplied, the agencies were doing their job.... the people who were supposed to act on their intelligence and advice did jack sh*t...... why?

Why would Bush and his minions not do anything about these warnings, tell the public that there were no warnings, then get countered by the agencies above who did..... but then use crappy intelligence to invade Iraq and now possibly Iran?

I mean, if the US is just going to pick and choose what information they act on and still get it all screwed up, perhaps maybe the US shouldn't have that sort of power at their disposal in the first place and needs to join back with the UK to make sure they don't screw anything else up.
 

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I was responding to Prax. It had nothing to do with you.

Did you say holograms crashed into the WTC? No...so put your tail between your legs as you have so many times before. I wasn't responding to your "Eag sez" because it was moronic. Stop trying to defend an indefensible position and stop making an idiot of yourself.

Like I said: Be clear. You have demonstrated, oh so many times, how everyone who disagrees with the official conspiracy is of like mind. Why would I expect this time to be different? That's why we signal lane changes.

BTW: It's never been my tail between my legs ;-)
 
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Irrelevent... point out how the above makes no sense, or that the person interviewed is either lying or it never happened.

I believe you and I had the discussion before of what a "fools errand" is have we not? It is an errand for a fool to go out and disprove what Mr. Hologram (aka Logic7) posted. For me to go out and scour the internet to find information to disprove a false hood would be a fools errand. Even if I did waste my time he would be on to the next insane conspiracy...like holograms.


Then why pop into the thread if it's a waste of time, a good laugh and nonsense? Is the above information something that was already posted before in the forums and debated?

Well like you have said in other threads...I'll post where I want for whatever reason. I find humor in conspiracy theorists. They ammuse me as a clown would.

I side with anyone who actually puts effort into presenting an argument and holds more sense then the opposing side of the argument.... since the opposing side has not presented anything at all to bring some foundation to their side of the argument, then by default, yes, I did side with him.... does that mean I believe holograms we're involved? Irrelevent, since holograms have nothing to do with this paticular debate.

C'mon Prax...you side with people who you agree with and have your point of view. Don't lay that BS on us that it has something to do with you being intellectual and a seasoned debater or analyst.
 

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Praxius,

I'm not quite sure what you're attempting to do here. If you don't like where the thread is going then don't participate, nobody dragged you into the conversation.

Nobody did, but don't go and expect me to take anybody seriously if they're not going to bother to respond seriously. Garbage in, Garbage out. I am responding to people who don't seem to understand why I don't side with their argument when there wasn't an argument to begin with except petty personal insults towards the original poster.

And I have already explained what I am attempting to do here multiple times.... if you can't figure it out by now, then I don't know what the hell to tell you.... it's in plain english and I even attempted to reduce my accent a little for easier understanding.... guess that's failed too.

Sorry, but I cannot take someone seriously who believes there is even a REMOTE possibility holograms slammed into the WTC. That someone wired up 104 stories of a building during an alleged 12 hour power outage.

Logic 7's claims and statements do not have common sense, you cannot argue anything with someone without common sense.

I've argued even with lone wolf on a few things regarding 9/11, but I NEVER thought of not taking him seriously, he presents valid questions and expects REASONABLE answers.

You're trying to defend the indefensible.

I'm not trying to defend sh*t.... I'm trying to get a proper debate on what the damn thread started out as, which nobody seems to have enough brain juice to figure out for themselves.

In this thread, Logic hasn't even started to point out his opinion on what he posted, and yet here you all are, acting like immature children not even addressing what was presented, and just going off on some personal attack about another thread which was never even brought up in this thread in the first place.

The thread was hijacked, the thread began filling with petty personal insults, and now it's to this idiotic argument on what the fok the damn thread is about in the first place and you guys trying to justify your personal insults towards another member for something he said in a totally unrelated thread brought up..... how long ago?

And on top of all that idiocy, you guys are trying to justify your personal insults and ignoring what the thread is about by saying stupid ass sh*t like "Well he claims he thinks holograms hit the buildings, so this has to be full of sh*t too" without even appearing to look like you guys actually took time to read it..... talk about a bunch of fk'n trolls.

I find it pretty screwed up that you all can't seem to understand that I'd personally like to debate what the fk'n topic was about in the first place..... oh, but you guys won't do that, because you don't have the fk'n brain power to do so, it would seem.... since I already explained this several times before in the thread... AND YOU STILL CAN'T FK'n FIGURE IT OUT.

Hell I tried to be nice, it's not my fault you're idiots.
 

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Like I said: Be clear. You have demonstrated, oh so many times, how everyone who disagrees with the official conspiracy thinks the same. Why would I expect this time to be different? That's why we signal lane changes.

BTW: It's never been my tail between my legs ;-)

Still trying to defend yourself from being an idiot? You were wrong...plain and simple. You butted in and flew off the handle and put your foot in your mouth. Now you feel that if you keep posting that it will somehow redeem you.

Whether you want to admit it or not...your tail is between your legs. The difference between you and I is I have integrity to admit when I am wrong. You on the other hand have no integrity and each additional post confirms it. A simple...

"Whoops...sorry Eagle I thought you were referring to me"

...would have saved some dignity in you. However you lack integrity so you will continue posting and trying to deflect. You will continue to convince yourself that if you get the last post in you will be right. Prove me wrong. Admit for once that you were mistaken and flew off the handle with insults and were out of line.
 

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I believe you and I had the discussion before of what a "fools errand" is have we not? It is an errand for a fool to go out and disprove what Mr. Hologram (aka Logic7) posted. For me to go out and scour the internet to find information to disprove a false hood would be a fools errand. Even if I did waste my time he would be on to the next insane conspiracy...like holograms.

Hey, didn't I just do the above with a few links and sources to disprove you? Put some damn effort into your posts for once in your damn life.... it's not going to kill you.

"Oh yeah, I'm right, but I'm too lazy to prove that I'm right" ~ Do you even know how stupid that sounds on an internet forum?

C'mon Prax...you side with people who you agree with and have your point of view. Don't lay that BS on us that it has something to do with you being intellectual and a seasoned debater or analyst.

^ You know, you're right... I don't have to lay down that BS.... since you proving it every damn time you post, just like above. Did I not just take the time to get sources and information to produce an actual debate from what you already posted..... and what do you do... YET AGAIN? You go on with more of this sh*t, ignore what was presented and you're doing the exact same damn thing as mentioned before.

Seriously wtf if wrong in your heads? Even when the thread is attempted to be brought back on some kind of debate level, it's just filled with more useless empty space.
 

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If you say so. Based on the above links I supplied, the agencies were doing their job.... the people who were supposed to act on their intelligence and advice did jack sh*t...... why?

Why would Bush and his minions not do anything about these warnings, tell the public that there were no warnings, then get countered by the agencies above who did..... but then use crappy intelligence to invade Iraq and now possibly Iran?

I mean, if the US is just going to pick and choose what information they act on and still get it all screwed up, perhaps maybe the US shouldn't have that sort of power at their disposal in the first place and needs to join back with the UK to make sure they don't screw anything else up.

Well nobody said mistakes weren't made. Even the dreaded 9/11 Commision lays blame on US Intel and both the Clinton and Bush Administrations for failing to heed warning signs. Mistakes were made and their is not an argument there from me. But please...holograms aside...and inside job? Don't be ridiculous.

But come now...your underhanded slight about us not being responsible for holding a certain power is like saying Canadians should no longer be Peacekeepers since they were the ones in charge during Rwanda. Rwanda is not relevent you may be thinking...I agree. Nor is a proposed Iran invasion. Neither has anything to do with the topic if we must stay true to it.
 

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Still trying to defend yourself from being an idiot? You were wrong...plain and simple. You butted in and flew off the handle and put your foot in your mouth. Now you feel that if you keep posting that it will somehow redeem you.

Whether you want to admit it or not...your tail is between your legs. The difference between you and I is I have integrity to admit when I am wrong. You on the other hand have no integrity and each additional post confirms it. A simple...

"Whoops...sorry Eagle I thought you were referring to me"

...would have saved some dignity in you. However you lack integrity so you will continue posting and trying to deflect. You will continue to convince yourself that if you get the last post in you will be right. Prove me wrong. Admit for once that you were mistaken and flew off the handle with insults and were out of line.

Gee ... I'm sorry I didn't recognize a change from your previous tactics.

Feel better now?

Woof!
 

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....But come now...your underhanded slight about us not being responsible for holding a certain power is like saying Canadians should no longer be Peacekeepers since they were the ones in charge during Rwanda. Rwanda is not relevent you may be thinking...I agree. Nor is a proposed Iran invasion. Neither has anything to do with the topic if we must stay true to it.

Oh, so now some people are having problems with things being introduced in a thread that don't relate to what's being talked about... :-? Where did I see this before? Oh yes... a few posts up. Sucks doesn't it?
 

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Hey, didn't I just do the above with a few links and sources to disprove you? Put some damn effort into your posts for once in your damn life.... it's not going to kill you.

"Oh yeah, I'm right, but I'm too lazy to prove that I'm right" ~ Do you even know how stupid that sounds on an internet forum?

First off...I am at work. I have no clue as to what you guys do because you are on CanCon 24/7.

But here...

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

All you ever need to know is there.


^ You know, you're right... I don't have to lay down that BS.... since you proving it every damn time you post, just like above. Did I not just take the time to get sources and information to produce an actual debate from what you already posted..... and what do you do... YET AGAIN? You go on with more of this sh*t, ignore what was presented and you're doing the exact same damn thing as mentioned before.

Seriously wtf if wrong in your heads? Even when the thread is attempted to be brought back on some kind of debate level, it's just filled with more useless empty space.

Hey Prax...when was the last time you took a hard look at your posts? You are an antagonist. That is why I spend very little time because you are set. The funny thing is that you at times try to convince yourself that you are taking the high road and being civil. Even Avro attacks you. Your fans are Mikey DB, Logic7, Dark Beaver and Wolfy. You are part of the CanCon Whack Pack.
 

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Oh, so now some people are having problems with things being introduced in a thread that don't relate to what's being talked about... :-? Where did I see this before? Oh yes... a few posts up. Sucks doesn't it?

Wow...you are a miracle...you are.
 

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Gee ... I'm sorry I didn't recognize a change from your previous tactics.

Feel better now?

Woof!

Why would this make me feel better? It was full of sarcasm, insinuates that I even have a forum "tactic" but it does not change the fact that you are wrong. You have done just as I predicted and you shall post again.
 

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CanCon Whack Pack.

Bow to the American fairy tale. Sing praises of Israel. Bury your head in the sand ... and attack anything that isn't of like mind. So, Eag.... Tell me again how that's called Freedom?

Now that you've managed to steer yet another thread away from getting close to a truth, you can go back to troll land and stand easy. Good clone!
 

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Bow to the American fairy tale. Sing praises of Israel. Bury your head in the sand ... and attack anything that isn't of like mind. So, Eag.... Tell me again how that's called Freedom?

Now that you've managed to steer yet another thread away from getting close to a truth, you can go back to troll land and stand easy. Good clone!

Ooookaaaayyy...how do I deal with this one. You know I can't tell you how singing praises for Israel, or burying my head in the sand, or attacking anything that isn't of like mind freedom. In fact...what you said doesn't make any sense.

You think a CanCon thread is going to have any bearing on the events and aftermath 9/11! We are going to find the truth here. By a post from Logic 7! :lol:
 

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Ooookaaaayyy...how do I deal with this one. You know I can't tell you how singing praises for Israel, or burying my head in the sand, or attacking anything that isn't of like mind freedom. In fact...what you said doesn't make any sense.

You think a CanCon thread is going to have any bearing on the events and aftermath 9/11! We are going to find the truth here. By a post from Logic 7! :lol:

Y'know, if you'd get off your self-righteous high horse, you might be mistaken for more than the troll all we of the Whack Pack have come to like to piddle upon.
 

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First off...I am at work. I have no clue as to what you guys do because you are on CanCon 24/7.

But here...

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

All you ever need to know is there.

Really.... better not be wasting more of my time, yet again..... *Reads through*

(By the way, I work to during the day, I don't see any ligit excuse why you can't take a few seconds when you can to actually put effort into what you post)

...... Yeah, thanks for wasting more of my fk'n time Eagle, bravo... not one god damn thing was on that site that related to this article or even towards Stanley Hilton himself in relation to the original article and why he is involved in the lawsuits as mentioned in post#1 and the link to it. Not only did you make me have to search through that crap-ass site with no actual direct-links or place to look in paticular which disproves the original post, but there wasn't one damn thing (Including in the "Foreknowlege" section) that even remotely related to post #1, let alone the articles I just supplied.

Once again, thanks for wasting my damn time... Logic7's position still stands in my view.

Hey Prax...when was the last time you took a hard look at your posts?

Every single time I post.... every single time I post I check it and recheck it to make sure I am saying exactly what I want to say, and I do.

You are an antagonist.

Am I?

Antagonist:
- "One who opposes and contends against another; an adversary."
- "The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama."

Glad to see you think you're the Hero of this debate.... or is it the first option where I am in opposition of another person? Wow... everybody is... whoopie do on that one.

That is why I spend very little time because you are set.

I am set, because you don't bother to provide anything worthwhile to view as any credible source of information that makes any sense, much like the above link..... sorry, but that's not my fault you can't figure sh*t out..... at least I take the damn time to check and read what you supply to give you a chance to change my mind, even when I already know it's a waste of time.

The funny thing is that you at times try to convince yourself that you are taking the high road and being civil.

I was trying to be civil... now I just don't give a sh*t... I reflect what is given to me, by all means, check the thread from start to finish and see exactly how this thread has unfolded to the point it currently is. And I never said I take the high road over anybody, I tell it how I see it and I lay it out as straight to the point as I can.... once it seems as though nobody's bothering to read what the hell is being said and at least showing that they've read something, then I throw my politeness out the window and you can suck on the attitude I'm giving you now..... that's life, get used to it.

Even Avro attacks you.

Yeah, so? Did I ever say I would be in 100% agreement with everybody here at all times? Did I ever expect to not get petty attacks and insults thrown my way? Did I ever say I wouldn't throw it right back to them if it came my way? I couldn't care less if you agree or disagree with anything or all of what I say..... just make your argument make sense to what is being said and that's good enough for me.... even if I disagree.... OH WAIT.... Even that's not happening.

Your fans are Mikey DB, Logic7, Dark Beaver and Wolfy. You are part of the CanCon Whack Pack.

Do we use a condom for that whacking of our packs, or do I just plop it right into your hands?
 
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Ooookaaaayyy...how do I deal with this one. You know I can't tell you how singing praises for Israel, or burying my head in the sand, or attacking anything that isn't of like mind freedom. In fact...what you said doesn't make any sense.

You think a CanCon thread is going to have any bearing on the events and aftermath 9/11! We are going to find the truth here. By a post from Logic 7! :lol:

Keep up that mentality and you'll never find any truth anywhere. What? Does it bother you that people on the internet might actually figure something out in a collective perspective such as this (KInda what the internet was designed for in the first place) where the so-called intelligence agencies have fokked up countless times already for whatever reasons they can figure out and refuse to even tell us what happened one way or another?

Gee.. that darn ol inter of the net thingy makes people actually think they can solve things on their own? What's the world coming to? :roll: Heaven forbid people outside of authoritive positions start thinking on their own, collecting information on their own and figuring things out on their own..... *GASP* ..... and who knows... perhaps someone might actually figure something out that's the truth.

WOW WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

You do seem to spew this atmosphere about you that you don't like people coming up with new or different concepts that are not dished out by the officials in power..... I mean, it is their job after all to get that information and provided to the people they serve..... what a coinkydynk that perhaps average joes might figure it out faster and better then those taking your tax dollars to do the same thing and who refuse to actually tell you the truth or cover it up with "Sorry, that's national security" ~ Well sorry to say, but National Security sure as hell didn't help on 9/11.
 

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Y'know, if you'd get off your self-righteous high horse, you might be mistaken for more than the troll all we of the Whack Pack have come to like to piddle upon.

Well that is what you are a part of and sorry it hurts to know that.

Get off my high horse? Oh by that you mean to agree with everything you folks say so I will be liked? Too funny.
 

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Really.... better not be wasting more of my time, yet again..... *Reads through*

(By the way, I work to during the day, I don't see any ligit excuse why you can't take a few seconds when you can to actually put effort into what you post)

...... Yeah, thanks for wasting more of my fk'n time Eagle, bravo... not one god damn thing was on that site that related to this article or even towards Stanley Hilton himself in relation to the original article and why he is involved in the lawsuits as mentioned in post#1 and the link to it. Not only did you make me have to search through that crap-ass site with no actual direct-links or place to look in paticular which disproves the original post, but there wasn't one damn thing (Including in the "Foreknowlege" section) that even remotely related to post #1, let alone the articles I just supplied.

Logic's insane posts states that GW authorized 9/11. That site disproves all that. They don't address this particular article because it is so off the wall. It is just more junk. Again it is a fool's errand to disprove a fantasy.

Once again, thanks for wasting my damn time... Logic7's position still stands in my view.

I am sure it does! :lol:



Every single time I post.... every single time I post I check it and recheck it to make sure I am saying exactly what I want to say, and I do.

I am sure you do. That is the scary part about your posts.



Am I?

Antagonist:
- "One who opposes and contends against another; an adversary."
- "The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama."


That is about right.



I am set, because you don't bother to provide anything worthwhile to view as any credible source of information that makes any sense, much like the above link..... sorry, but that's not my fault you can't figure sh*t out..... at least I take the damn time to check and read what you supply to give you a chance to change my mind, even when I already know it's a waste of time.

I won't run scour the INET because Logic is out of his tree! He is one post away from the cookie truck. You're backing up someone who may very well be in an insane asylum.



I was trying to be civil... now I just don't give a sh*t... I reflect what is given to me, by all means, check the thread from start to finish and see exactly how this thread has unfolded to the point it currently is. And I never said I take the high road over anybody, I tell it how I see it and I lay it out as straight to the point as I can.... once it seems as though nobody's bothering to read what the hell is being said and at least showing that they've read something, then I throw my politeness out the window and you can suck on the attitude I'm giving you now..... that's life, get used to it.

Oh cue the violins.


Yeah, so? Did I ever say I would be in 100% agreement with everybody here at all times? Did I ever expect to not get petty attacks and insults thrown my way? Did I ever say I wouldn't throw it right back to them if it came my way? I couldn't care less if you agree or disagree with anything or all of what I say..... just make your argument make sense to what is being said and that's good enough for me.... even if I disagree.... OH WAIT.... Even that's not happening.

You see...there is not a shred of objectivity in Logic. You are supporting the insane. Think about it...this is one of thousands of conspiracy garbage that he has posted. 9/11 conspiracists have flooded the INET with this and only an idiot would try to disprove it all. Again...he believes holograms flew into the WTC's. So I am going to waste my time on his latest posting. I'd rather waste time doing this.



Do we use a condom for that whacking of our packs, or do I just plop it right into your hands?

Oh how witty. You are SOOOOO intelligent.