Harper rips Elections Canada over veil ruling

[Tonington]

I am on a notebook, but pressing that hotkey doesn`t change it back....

 

[Tonington]

The majority of classes are compulsory, I did take an elective in high school ,Comparitive world religions. There are some things which are simply taught better by parents. We shouldn`t expect or delegate so much responsibility to a stranger. Christmas carols for instance could be taught in music class, I see no problem with that, so long as they meet language and content requirements.

 

[DaSleeper]

I am on a notebook, but pressing that hotkey doesn`t change it back....

I just realised that the hot key works only with mjkluio789 not the other keys ....you may have the french keyboard switched on. My niece had that same problem on her notebook running Vista and I can't recall what I did to fix it....if that's the problem you're having....in the meantime use this:?:

 

[Tonington]

Lol, thanks.

 

[Tonington]

Haha, solved it by closing Mozilla. Now they're back to...normal was it??

 

[DaSleeper]

It may have something to do with the language option in the control panel....

edit: disregard this......

 

[Just the Facts]

Further, why would you lie when you get only one vote and have to have your name on a list É

So why even ask for id at all?

 

[Unforgiven]

So why even ask for id at all?

This is the thing isn't it. I don't think religion trumps the laws and the right thing in elections is one vote per eligible voter. There has to be an acceptable way to demonstrate that the person presenting themselves is in fact eligible to vote and who they present themselves to be.

Using the technology we have now and the interpretation of the laws we have, if anyone can determine who people are to a high standard that is now in place or better then I'm all ears.

Until then religion or not, a clear view of the face is not outrageous to ask.

 

[Nuggler]

Whadya think? A verbal-op for "Steve"?

Did he have his "I'm with Chimp" T shirt on?

Did he purse his lipths when he said it?

I'm starting to "like" Steve.

Damn scoundrel..................8O

Never had these feelings before........................:tard:

I feel all warm and evrerything....................(can't even spell everything)


OK "Steve", you're our leader. If you say no burka,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BY JEEZ NO BURKA IT IS

If you say "GOD BLESS CANADA..............LET'S SEND GEORGE SOME MORE CANNON FODDER, AND HE'LL LIKE US MORE"...........THEN BY JEEZ...............LET'S DO IT!!!

YAY "STEVE".............Oh God the lights are on.........I see the light..........thank you "STEVE" THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
But, I ain't votin KKKon-servative........never in 10000000 years.........ha ha ha........fooled ya, dipsh!t!!!


:canadaA clear view of the ass would be nice too..........)

 

[Sparrow]

Harper rips Elections Canada over veil

A point that no one has mentioned is that in the Charter of Rights of Quebec and Canada it stipulates EQUALITY especially between men and women regardless of your religious beliefs.

Also the Law C-31 passed by royal assent last June changes the rules to bring into effect one proof of identification with visual verification. How can this happen with veils?

Even the head of the American Islamic Congress says NO WAY.

 

[sanctus]

Using the technology we have now and the interpretation of the laws we have, if anyone can determine who people are to a high standard that is now in place or better then I'm all ears.

Until then religion or not, a clear view of the face is not outrageous to ask.

Exactly. And calmer minds could easily develop a method to allow these women to uncover themselves. For example, they could be taken aside by other women for verification. This is Canada, we can and should be accomodating to our Muslim citizens.

 

[CDNBear]

Sure, it's the same with reserves. If it were me I'd retake them as Canadian and assimulate the natives as Canadians and stop the welfare states we have created.

Face it, the Indians lost.

I guess you missed the whole treaty thing is class???

That's when the Europeans realized they couldn't beat them, so the joined them...

I won't wait for an intellegent responce.

 

[CDNBear]

Lets be fair here, I can tell the muslim women who wear veils I know apart by their eyes just fine. Now there is no law saying they can't show their face, so we think we get to dictate morality and tell them they HAVE to show more of their face.

That's becuase you know them...I highly doubt that Elections Canada will have that luxury.

Perhaps later we can decide we can only fully Identify a woman by her breasts, their is no law saying women can't go topless after all, its legal.

Lets just force women to go against their own modesty and moral objections if they want equal rights then.


Its no different, sure YOU don't think showing the face is immodest and many many women around the world don't see going topless as immodest (nor do our laws). I wouldnt' force a woman to take her shirt off to vote though.

Only if the writers for MAD TV become leaders in Canadian politics.

A face is not a good way to validate someone is who they say they were, I shaved and wore different clothes not a week ago as a joke on some old friends I hadn't seen in two months. I sat the table across from them for 2 hours at a dinner as they got pissed off and tried calling my cell, not 4 feet from me. Visual ID is nice, but its laughable with security.

Great, very scientific. I don't care...traditions, system of tried and semi trued experience are here and should stay.

If you really care about ensuring someone is who they say they are and not about forcing people to either subject themselves to our oggling eyes and way of life or be cut out from government...

Then lets get somethign that works like, Ida know, Finger printing.

And as soon as the Lawyers are done wiping their arses with that and the Charter, we'll be right back at square one.

That being said, the law is the law. Its not for elections canada to decide. Its for the courts to decide unless the governments use the notwithstanding clause.

Thanx for the moment of clarity.

Do you think parents have the right to demand what is taught with respect to evolutionÉ

Yes...so long as they pay for it.

A point that no one has mentioned is that in the Charter of Rights of Quebec and Canada it stipulates EQUALITY especially between men and women regardless of your religious beliefs.

Also the Law C-31 passed by royal assent last June changes the rules to bring into effect one proof of identification with visual verification. How can this happen with veils?

Even the head of the American Islamic Congress says NO WAY.

Thanx Sparrow.

Exactly. And calmer minds could easily develop a method to allow these women to uncover themselves. For example, they could be taken aside by other women for verification. This is Canada, we can and should be accomodating to our Muslim citizens.

So long as they keep in mind they're going to hell and they do not follow the one true religion.

Right?

 

[TenPenny]

So, what is your answer now that it's been shown that a person is required to have photo id, OR two other pieces of id, OR a piece of ID and someone to vouch for them, but that there is NO requirement to show your face?

And what about the fact that the head of Elections Canada actually POINTED THIS OUT when the regulations were being drafted, and PARLIAMENT didn't bother to change it?

Who looks stupid now? Oh, right, it's HARPER.

 

[CDNBear]

So, what is your answer now that it's been shown that a person is required to have photo id, OR two other pieces of id, OR a piece of ID and someone to vouch for them, but that there is NO requirement to show your face?

And what about the fact that the head of Elections Canada actually POINTED THIS OUT when the regulations were being drafted, and PARLIAMENT didn't bother to change it?

Who looks stupid now? Oh, right, it's HARPER.

And this somehow makes it all better?

I got an idea Ten...you show up at my place on election night...in a veil, I'll vouch that it's you...

Get my drift?

 

[DaSleeper]

If someone reads this http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/09/10/4484435-cp.html It sure seems as if everyone is dancing around the question and nobody is leading............:roll:

 

[CDNBear]

If someone reads this http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/09/10/4484435-cp.html It sure seems as if everyone is dancing around the question and nobody is leading............:roll:

Thanx, good point...

The hot air watz continues...

But the startling thing is that everyone keeps referring to religious freedoms on this issue, when even Muslim Clerics have stated there is no such religious affectation in Islam.

This is a tradition, that by all optics, is set to overide ours...

That's good?

 

[Tonington]

I pointed out something like this before in the Reform party thread. It's the same with 'Activist judges'. If the parliament could pass laws with clear intent, so there is no room to make these interpretations, we wouldn't have these types of situations. Clear intent and purpose in legislation goes a long ways, and proves just how difficult it is to get competent legislators, when many of them are actually trained lawyers.... Can't blame the head of Elections Canada, gotta blame Parliament.

 

[TenPenny]

My point, you slow witted person, is that Harper and his cronies are trying to claim that 'Elections Canada' is thwarting the will of parliament...when, in fact, ELECTIONS CANADA warned PARLIAMENT about the mistake it was making.....

But, of course, Harper wants us all to believe that some civil servant is ruining our country. When in fact, the only people at fault are the ELECTED MEMBERS who wrote the rules.

 

[elevennevele]

So, what is your answer now that it's been shown that a person is required to have photo id, OR two other pieces of id, OR a piece of ID and someone to vouch for them, but that there is NO requirement to show your face?

And what about the fact that the head of Elections Canada actually POINTED THIS OUT when the regulations were being drafted, and PARLIAMENT didn't bother to change it?

Who looks stupid now? Oh, right, it's HARPER.

LOL. How true.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/09/10/4484435-cp.html


"He carefully went over the legislation with reporters, pointing out that 80,000 Canadians voted by mail during the last election. People without photo ID - not an unusual situation, Mayrand pointed out - have the right to cast a ballot with two other pieces of identification as long as one indicates an address."


No more voting by mail then? And what of those Canadian Snowbirds in Florida. LOL. I guess they better make an appearance in a Canadian Voting Booth because I don't think I want us to waste taxpayer monies on having a voting station specifically flown out to Florida for them. Or do we punish the burka covered woman and accept the other?

Anyone know at what percentage military overseas vote by mail?