Montreal store kicks out veteran selling poppies

thomaska

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Unfortunately a Catholic perspective usually a set of made up rules and regulations setup over 1000 years to keep its members in line. It was only recently they even gave notice to any other sect of Christain life..They were along the prevailers of the faith..so It's no wonder it is their personal God as well.

I'm not trashing the Church and certainly not the faith,but rather the political nature of the organization

It's funny I would here about a great following of the Catholic faith..hasn't more wars been started and more power held by that organization then any other??

I know..I was being silly, and it has no real relevance. But it is a handy tool to smack sanctimonious Catholics with whenever they get too "houlier than thou"
 

ottawabill

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Can someone tell me why Quebec is so anti war vet anyways?

Did they not benefit from the conflict...were not the Nazi's in the St. Lawrence river..possiblly right up to Quebec city? So why the big problem...It's not even as if they were only defending English Canada and got nothing from it...The war saved their front line North American cities, The helped free France..whats the problem..or is it another "It's a French thang" you'll never get it... oh someone please tell me!!
 

Sassylassie

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Quebec had special status during the Second World War, what that entailed I'm not sure but some Quebecers didn't fight or wouldn't fight for Canada as a country.
 

ottawabill

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Quebec had special status during the Second World War, what that entailed I'm not sure but some Quebecers didn't fight or wouldn't fight for Canada as a country.

so then...something like our good friend sanctum they would have rather sat there and been blown out of the water then fight under Canada...

With all that special statue Quebec must be very special by now....maybe they should go to that special class we had down the hall in high school? Or they must be very elite...guess thats where most of the liberal party is from...
 

Tonington

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One of the reasons Quebec was so against it was because the farmers in western Canada fought vehomently against their sons being sent to fight in the war. The majority of these farms would have been ineffectual without the farmers sons there to help with the work. As a result, Quebec felt that they were carrying too much of the load.
 

Sassylassie

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Yes every year this happens and once the public hears about it there is public outcry, as there should be. If this store couldn't find a small space for the Legion to sell poppies make one, they have lots of room for those news racks that sell such fine publications as the Enquirer, and Martha Steward living and other nonsense.
 

the caracal kid

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Not at once, but eventually. Ghandi, through non-violence, brought the mightest empire in the entire history of the world to its knees. Martin Luther King forced an imperialistic, racist people to take a long and hard serious look at themselves, and he killed no one in the process.

The influence of Jesus and Christian values spread throughout the entire world, and Jesus killed not one person to spread His teachings.

Laern from history you write, fine. Learn from it. Of course it has an impact on our living today. But don't be so naive as to believe all the propaganda of the winning side. Do you really think they died for our freedom? Was that really the point of the war? Or was it a battle between ideologies and which ideology was going to dominate the world.

Did that war bring us freedom??? Really??? Than why does your country feel so free that it needs to maintain an impossibly expensive military?

Christianity was spread courtousy of agressive action from the church. Be it by sword, or by other even less acceptable means.

War does not bring freedom. War may bring the perception of freedom compared to some propagandized alternative, but that is all.

ITN is correct that we are a product of the past, so understanding the wars helps in understanding ourselves and in not repeating past mistakes. However, the critical issue in this type of debate is that there is no way to prove that an alternative history would have been better or worse.
 

CDNBear

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There is fact, and there is propaganda. you just quoted propaganda. Read history, there was not only no plans in the German hierarchy to invade outside of Europe, there were also no means for them to do so.

I would have done the same then as I would now, pray and adopt a non-violent position. War is evil, and a symbol of our failure to live as God intended us to live.
ARE YOU FOR REAL?

It would have been a matter of time before they made eyes at NA.
 

cortex

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It's my country too. I happen to feel that hearing about past wars I did not participate in ad infinitim is tiresome. i couldn't give a dman about WW2 or WW1, not my war, not my issue.

Further, died for our freedom? When was it threatened. Studing history, I do not recall reading of the Axis plans to invade Canada?

My main point is war is legalized murder and we should not be celebrating our failure to resolve our differences in a peaceful fashion. It should be a source of national shame that we murdered other humans for any reason.

Agree 100% with you.

Unfortunately because of our nature we still need deterance. And THAT is in my view the only use of the miiltary--each nation--if we are to have nations held in check by the possiblity of mutual destruction--BUT NEVER EVER EVER using it.
 

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Agree 100% with you.

Unfortunately because of our nature we still need deterance. And THAT is in my view the only use of the miiltary--each nation--if we are to have nations held in check by the possiblity of mutual destruction--BUT NEVER EVER EVER using it.


Absolutely. A defensive military is the best and most sensible policy. How many more Canadians must get killed in wars that are not ours before the Canadian public wises up? We offend no-one, we are a country historically dedicated to seeking peaceful means to avoid armed conflicts. Why then must our people sacrificed for the benefits of other empires? All this clap-trap about our fighting for freedom in WW2 is mind-boggling. Wake up people, we were called to fight to defend the British Empire, and that same empire deployed us like cannon fodder to be slaughtered to preserve the "real " troops.
 

CDNBear

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Quite real, and they did not invade NA, unless I forget history? The war is over and we won, la de dah. Re-celebrating it every year annoys me. We have enough issues today without re-hashing a long gone war.
The act of aggression in Europe was unfounded and brutal. As a Common Wealth, we had a duty to come to the aid of and defend our "Mother Land".

The spread of nazi-ism was not going to stop until it was stopped. If you actually belive that they were going on the European continent, you are sorely mistaken. Like most megalomaniacs, Hitler wanted world domination, much like the US of today.
 

CDNBear

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Absolutely. A defensive military is the best and most sensible policy. How many more Canadians must get killed in wars that are not ours before the Canadian public wises up? We offend no-one, we are a country historically dedicated to seeking peaceful means to avoid armed conflicts. Why then must our people sacrificed for the benefits of other empires? All this clap-trap about our fighting for freedom in WW2 is mind-boggling. Wake up people, we were called to fight to defend the British Empire, and that same empire deployed us like cannon fodder to be slaughtered to preserve the "real " troops.
I will agree that the British Commanders used our Troops as cannon fodder, but we did not just assist Britian. There was also France, Holland,Italy, etc. and the liberation of Germany herself.

Your grasp of history is woefully lacking and completely void of factual basis. Try educating yourself on what actually transpired during WWII(LWF), before commenting on it. It only proves that you were un-educated by the CBC un-documentaries about WWII(LWF).
 

sanctus

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The act of aggression in Europe was unfounded and brutal. As a Common Wealth, we had a duty to come to the aid of and defend our "Mother Land".

The spread of nazi-ism was not going to stop until it was stopped. If you actually belive that they were going on the European continent, you are sorely mistaken. Like most megalomaniacs, Hitler wanted world domination, much like the US of today.


How do you know I am sorely mistaken? History has not been able to teach us one way or the other, so all we have left are opinions on the matter.

so, you think it ok for us to defend one world empire against another?What duty? To die as sheep for the preservation of the British Empire???? I would've said "No thank you."
 

CDNBear

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How do you know I am sorely mistaken? History has not been able to teach us one way or the other, so all we have left are opinions on the matter.

so, you think it ok for us to defend one world empire against another?What duty? To die as sheep for the preservation of the British Empire???? I would've said "No thank you."
Because you have not given one factual statement to the contrary. Your arguement is based on opinion only. There is so much evidence and information available about the acts of the nazi's and the Allied Forces, that your answer itself proves my assertion.

I think that comment is based on your typical Canadian complacentcy, or you are a coward, either way it is a sad example of a Canadian and demeaning to the true heart of Canada. Britian was not the aggressor, nazi Germany was. Please go get some facts and education on the subject.
 

northstar

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Christianity was spread courtousy of agressive action from the church. Be it by sword, or by other even less acceptable means.

Check your world history, People of the world, tribes and religion and culture, fought aggressively, for land, and for the wealth that went with it. Christianity was not spread with aggressive action...and if you are referring to the Crusades, it began because Christians travelling to the Holy Lands were being captured and as entertainment for the Muslims' they were be publically tortured until they died...

War does not bring freedom. War may bring the perception of freedom compared to some propagandized alternative, but that is all.

You need to leave Canada, you have had an overdose of freedom...go spend a year in africa, then come and leacture us about freedom. War is a fact of humanities struggle, and it has shaped the world you live in today, the freedom you are enjoying as you type these 'progandized alternative' perceptions of yours.

ITN is correct that we are a product of the past, so understanding the wars helps in understanding ourselves and in not repeating past mistakes. QUOTE]
--curiositykid

This indicates someone who things that freedom just happens, and bad things happen to bad people...very very sad....and spoilt by being coddled in life...go spend some time in africa...