Montreal store kicks out veteran selling poppies

[EastSideScotian]

Indeed, and to drive this point into his head alittle more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_plans_for_invasion_of_the_United_States_during_WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_operations_and_planning_of_the_Axis_Powers

 

[ottawabill]

Indeed, and to drive this point into his head alittle more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_plans_for_invasion_of_the_United_States_during_WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_operations_and_planning_of_the_Axis_Powers

And further more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Caribou

The sinking of a passenger ferry in Canadian waters


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_St._Lawrence

U boats in the St. Lawrence River

 

[thomaska]

so, to prove my sense of morality I have to pick up a gun and murder somebody who has done nothing at all to me? We could, and should, have adopted a non-violent response in the manner of Ghandi or King.

Besides, all that being said, and more to the point of the article,,yes, yes they did all these marvellous sacrifices, and yet, how many years do we have to have it beaten on our heads? Were you alive in 1939? I wasn't. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with me. It is history, it is over. We have enough problems today without worrying about **** that went on 60 odd years ago. Stop wasting your money on buying useless symbols respresenting some long gone war and spend it to help the people who need it today. I do.

Wars would be so easy if all the enemies thought like this...I wish they would all bend over so easily.

How prevalent does everyone think Sanctus's philosophy is? Also, I f I had to guess...judging by the "entitlement air" of his post, that there is no way he could have been born before 1990...just guessing though

 

[sanctus]

Absolute rubbish!

Was Holland pushing their ideology when they were invaded? Was Poland, Norway, Belgium, or any country that Hitler invaded? Ask people in those countries if their freedom was at stake.

No, but FAcism was. The real war at that time, both before the actual conflict and during, was the battle for world supremcy between Facism, Communism and Democracy.

 

[sanctus]

Wars would be so easy if all the enemies thought like this...I wish they would all bend over so easily.

How prevalent does everyone think Sanctus's philosophy is? Also, I f I had to guess...judging by the "entitlement air" of his post, that there is no way he could have been born before 1990...just guessing though

I am, without rservation or regret, a pacifist. In all that that may imply to you, that is my political point of view, to quote "give peace a chance". cliched, yes, but so is the rhetoric of the hawks.

Before 1990, someone is messed up somewhere, I was born in 1959, thank you very much.

 

[Colpy]

Not at once, but eventually. Ghandi, through non-violence, brought the mightest empire in the entire history of the world to its knees. Martin Luther King forced an imperialistic, racist people to take a long and hard serious look at themselves, and he killed no one in the process.

Both Ghandi and King were dealing with democratic nations. Indeed, Mr. King had the sympathy of the President. Neither of these nations were willing to take the steps necessary to violently suppress dissent, as they were, as I said, western Christian democracies answerable to their people.

Ghandi and King in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, the Shah's Iran, Husseins' Iraq, et al would never have been heard of. They would have been dead LONG before they got to the point of leading mass protest.

 

[sanctus]

I have plenty of knowledge my friend, just because I disgaree does not make me ignorant of the history of those times.

So let me see if I understand you, I should be forever kowtowing to ghosts of the past for my freedom, and yet I should not be free enough to disagree? I must leave my country because I do not subscribe to the propaganda it emits?


they mean utterly nothing to me at all. It is a period of history. That is all. They mean as much to me as accounts of Hannibal invading Italy. Interesting to read about, but no direct impact on the present.


Excuse me? I have no right!!! So much for the freedom you clamour about.


Nonsense, there is never a time for war. War is an excuse. Do you really, in your heart, believe that the governments of the day gave one iota of thought to the average person in the streets? Are you really naive enough to believe war is somehow a noble occupation with noble intentions? Did we stop the murder of more humans with the war??? Surely you are jesting.

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[sanctus]

Both Ghandi and King were dealing with democratic nations. Indeed, Mr. King had the sympathy of the President. Neither of these nations were willing to take the steps necessary to violently suppress dissent, as they were, as I said, western Christian democracies answerable to their people.

Ghandi and King in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, the Shah's Iran, Husseins' Iraq, et al would never have been heard of. They would have been dead LONG before they got to the point of leading mass protest.

Perhaps, but not before they had a chance to influence at least one other person to their way of thinking. Change begins with the individual, and no matter how long it takes, it is worth the struggle.

 

[thomaska]

Before 1990, someone is messed up somewhere, I was born in 1959, thank you very much.

Someone is messed up somewhere..thats for sure. But thats also just my opinion.

So what does it mean to be a pacifist? Does that mean that everyone else's right to do as they please and to live trumps your rights to freedoms? Is there any situation that could arise that would cause you to do harm to another person?

Are you truly against all violence, or are you the kind of pacifist that lets others do your fighting for you, all the while criticizing them, but never the less enjoying the benefits that their toil brings you? If so, you might as well pick up a gun, because your no different than a meat eating PETA member who hates hunters.

 

[sanctus]

Amen Eastside!!!

You were more blunt then I but exact and to the REAL points!!

Damn it's upsetting to have people use the freedoms they have to bash the people who protected them!!!

Rhetoric and nonsense. So free that we inter our own citizens based on their ancestry. So free that we permit people to starve to death on our streets.

 

[sanctus]

So what does it mean to be a pacifist? Does that mean that everyone else's right to do as they please and to live trumps your rights to freedoms? Is there any situation that could arise that would cause you to do harm to another person?

Are you truly against all violence, .

There is no situation that I can imagine that would have me resort to violence to settle it. If possible, i would always walk away. And yes, i am against all forms of violence.

 

[I think not]

Rhetoric and nonsense. So free that we inter our own citizens based on their ancestry. So free that we permit people to starve to death on our streets.

Your philosophical ramblings are irrelevant to WWII and those who fought to keep Canada free. Had it not been for them, your concerns today would be different, and more than likely you would be unable to express them.

 

[sanctus]

Your philosophical ramblings are irrelevant to WWII and those who fought to keep Canada free. Had it not been for them, your concerns today would be different, and more than likely you would be unable to express them.

My "ramblings" are as relevant to WW2 as they are to any other political issue. How many wars have Canadians had to die in for the sake of empires?Enough already.

 

[ottawabill]

No one ever said NOT to give peace a chance...Chamberlain in Britain tried with a signed non agression treaty with Hitler.

Nations are given ever chance by the UN (as ineffective as they are) to not go to war.... You are not a power monger because you stand against a threat. One if you start.

Yes Jesus was non violent, but he was also full of other ways to stop inaction, prove a point, or make people see the light..I don't think we have that power. I can pray for Osama Bin Ladden to change his angry ways and come learn about another culture...but I don't think its going to happen.

Do you?

 

[sanctus]

No one ever said NOT to give peace a chance...Chamberlain in Britain tried with a signed non agression treaty with Hitler.

Nations are given ever chance by the UN (as ineffective as they are) to not go to war.... You are not a power monger because you stand against a threat. One if you start.

Yes Jesus was non violent, but he was also full of other ways to stop inaction, prove a point, or make people see the light..I don't think we have that power. I can pray for Osama Bin Ladden to change his angry ways and come learn about another culture...but I don't think its going to happen.

Do you?

Actually yes I do. I believe prayer is the single most effective weapon we have against all evil.

 

[ottawabill]

Actually yes I do. I believe prayer is the single most effective weapon we have against all evil.

Agreed, but what if it doesn't work , should you not defend yourself in anyway....do you throw your children at them and then offer yourself?

We are not just talking right or wrong, or one point of view vs. another. These (now or back in ww2) are terribel mean fighting machines coming toward you..you do nothing?? They can kill you, kill you family, destroy your home, gas your neighbours and you do nothing?

 

[thomaska]

Actually yes I do. I believe prayer is the single most effective weapon we have against all evil.

So do does Osama..i guess it all comes down to who's great spirit is actually greater..

 

[sanctus]

So do does Osama..i guess it all comes down to who's great spirit is actually greater..

Osama does not pray to God. there is one god andHis revelation is through Christ

 

[Curiosity]

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[BitWhys]

Good. Personally I think we should get over our celebration of murdering one another and instead focus our national attention on peace and peace-makers. Instead of celebrating dead warriors, let's celebrate Jesus, Ghandi or Dr. King..John and Yoko even, anything not related to war and soldiers. We should be ashamed of having to murder one another to resolve our differences.

I've gotta side with Reinhold Niebuhr on this one. Sometimes you have to fight. Remembrance Day is supposed to be the time to remember both how collectively stupid we can be, show respect for those who had to fall when things had gone too far and hope that some day we manage to get it right.

Recessional
Rudyard Kipling​

God of our fathers, known of old--
Lord of our far-flung battle line
Beneath whose awful hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine--
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!​

The tumult and the shouting dies;
The captains and the kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!​

Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!​

If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe--
Such boasting as the Gentiles use
Or lesser breeds without the law--
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!​

For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard--
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard--
For frantic boast and foolish word,
Thy mercy on Thy people, Lord!​