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[Daz_Hockey]

Because you have not given one factual statement to the contrary. Your arguement is based on opinion only. There is so much evidence and information available about the acts of the nazi's and the Allied Forces, that your answer itself proves my assertion.

I think that comment is based on your typical Canadian complacentcy, or you are a coward, either way it is a sad example of a Canadian and demeaning to the true heart of Canada. Britian was not the aggressor, nazi Germany was. Please go get some facts and education on the subject.

Ahha, another point I agree with CDN and ITN here, take a look at what happened to vichy France nd her colonies and I think you'll find out what would have happened to Canada, It's not too far fetched to suggest they would probably hve been used as a staging post to attack the US.....if she didnt sign peace terms...read some "fatherland", you'll get my drift.

Oh and CDN, how could I be so stupid!!!!...when I was in New York, I met an Aussie called Dan Goonan, and with a name like Goonan you'd understand he's got irish ancestors....WELL.....turns out, his ancestors were involved in Marching down to Washington and doing some burning.....

Apparently the British government wernt best pleased with the incompleteness of the job they did and promptly sent them to Australia!!!....no word of a lie, so I stand corrected, I do appologise.

 

[CDNBear]

Ahha, another point I agree with CDN and ITN here, take a look at what happened to vichy France nd her colonies and I think you'll find out what would have happened to Canada, It's not too far fetched to suggest they would probably hve been used as a staging post to attack the US.....if she didnt sign peace terms...read some "fatherland", you'll get my drift.

Oh and CDN, how could I be so stupid!!!!...when I was in New York, I met an Aussie called Dan Goonan, and with a name like Goonan you'd understand he's got irish ancestors....WELL.....turns out, his ancestors were involved in Marching down to Washington and doing some burning.....

Apparently the British government wernt best pleased with the incompleteness of the job they did and promptly sent them to Australia!!!....no word of a lie, so I stand corrected, I do appologise.

Thanx for pointing that out Daz. See you and I got off on the wrong foot, but we managed to get past it.

You and I are not likely to ever see eye to eye on the whole of any political debate or whos side is right or wrong, but we still manage to concede or admit when we have err'd with one another. That should be a lesson to the others that choose to ignore everything but their narrow minded views. Thanx Daz, you have moved way way up my cred scale. Maybe the next time you're in Canada, I'll take you fly fishing on the Coldwater River for some nice Brookies.

 

[sanctus]

Your grasp of history is woefully lacking and completely void of factual basis. Try educating yourself on what actually transpired during WWII(LWF), before commenting on it. It only proves that you were un-educated by the CBC un-documentaries about WWII(LWF).

My grasp of history is just fine, thank you. I am well versed in the period.Don't assume that because I disagree with the common propaganda I am somehow uninformed of the events of the era.

 

[sanctus]

You need to leave Canada, you have had an overdose of freedom...go spend a year in africa, then come and leacture us about freedom. War is a fact of humanities struggle, and it has shaped the world you live in today, the freedom you are enjoying as you type these 'progandized alternative' perceptions of yours....

As a matter of fact sunshine, I spent a good many years doing pastoral work in South East Asia, mostly the Philippines. War is not a fact of our struggle, it is an indication of our failure to act in a way God intends for us to behave. What is a fact of our struggle as people is our constant attempts to survive in a world where many think murder is the best solution to dealing with problems of inequality and poverty.

 

[CDNBear]

My grasp of history is just fine, thank you. I am well versed in the period.Don't assume that because I disagree with the common propaganda I am somehow uninformed of the events of the era.

I beg to dissagree, your assertion that British imperialism is in someway responsible for WWII(LWF), is glaring evidence that you do not know its history.

What you, so conveniently, call "common propoganda" as your kind often do, is actually fact. You should try objectivity when you try to educate yourself.

 

[Curiosity]

Sanctus

I hope you won't think I am being rude (but no doubt I am)....

Could you please explain why all of your submissions here have to do with your faith and belief and your need to tell us of your active profession involving religion?

I have an active involved profession and I find little of it to relate here at all. In fact I would be remiss
were I to even think along "professional lines" with a group of peers who have not requested my
"professional opinion" at all.

This is a public forum not a pulpit and while I appreciate you are proud and revere your work, it really should not matter to any of us what you do - should it?

I would be totally interested in the secular side of one who professes a religious life.... often we hear little of it because of the deep need of religious to share and teach their faith only.

 

[sanctus]

I beg to dissagree, your assertion that British imperialism is in someway responsible for WWII(LWF), is glaring evidence that you do not know its history.
.

I beg your pardon, please indicate one statement I made even suggesting such a thing! What I said, and will not repeat, is that Canada was not called upon to defend freedom. It is true that was the propaganda given out to the young men of the time, however, the only reason we were required was to help the British Empire overcome Nazi Germany.

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus

I hope you won't think I am being rude (but no doubt I am)....

Could you please explain why all of your submissions here have to do with your faith and belief and your need to tell us of your active profession involving religion?

I have an active involved profession and I find little of it to relate here at all. In fact I would be remiss
were I to even think along "professional lines" with a group of peers who have not requested my
"professional opinion" at all.

This is a public forum not a pulpit and while I appreciate you are proud and revere your work, it really should not matter to any of us what you do - should it?

I would be totally interested in the secular side of one who professes a religious life.... often we hear little of it because of the deep need of religious to share and teach their faith only.

My apologies. I had not realized that I was. It was not intentional, but clearly must have something to do with my profession. It is one that tends to have everything seem matters of faith in one fashion or another.

I shall try and watch for these sorts of things. Let's just say that I "work" in a "job" that involves religious matters.

 

[CDNBear]

I beg your pardon, please indicate one statement I made even suggesting such a thing! What I said, and will not repeat, is that Canada was not called upon to defend freedom. It is true that was the propaganda given out to the young men of the time, however, the only reason we were required was to help the British Empire overcome Nazi Germany.

In your words...
so, you think it ok for us to defend one world empire against another?What duty? To die as sheep for the preservation of the British Empire????

This was not two warring nations squabbling over who wants to control what resources as the wars of today. This was a defensive opperation to protect the freedoms and rights of the individual Nations, and to address the injustice being perpetrated on the Jews. Further more, it was against an ideology that was repugnant to the WORLD. Not just the British Empire as you assert. Once again highlighting your ignorance or the war and its objectives.

 

[Curiosity]

Sanctus

Thank you - there are a couple of things which may happen when we are dealing with those who are deeply religious and profess it often throughout their opinions:

(a) Either we get on our agnosticism wagon and scream;

(b) We feel humbled and hold back from letting our "lesser" arguments be read;

(c) We get angry because we feel the religious writer is making a move towards superiority over our opinions;

(d) We want to argue our own superiority and often the topic itself suffers because the "faith" is buried beneath the surface and has become a tangential issue.

These are my thoughts and strictly owned by me - nobody has said this or written this and I have often
wanted to ask someone as we do meet up with religious in forums.

I would have asked a priest who is a delightful guy on another forum, but he would have torn my head off.
He could brook no questions as he saw them as challenging his faith -

That I even had the courage to ask you and explain indicates you are approachable in a secular way as well. Which is great.

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus
I would have asked a priest who is a delightful guy on another forum, but he would have torn my head off.
He could brook no questions as he saw them as challenging his faith -

That I even had the courage to ask you and explain indicates you are approachable in a secular way as well. Which is great.

Thank you very much for your kind comments. To be honest with you, and not that it should matter, but that is my profession, so to speak. In fact, I am a priest

 

[sanctus]

In your words...
so, you think it ok for us to defend one world empire against another?What duty? To die as sheep for the preservation of the British Empire????

This was not two warring nations squabbling over who wants to control what resources as the wars of today. This was a defensive opperation to protect the freedoms and rights of the individual Nations, and to address the injustice being perpetrated on the Jews. Further more, it was against an ideology that was repugnant to the WORLD. Not just the British Empire as you assert. Once again highlighting your ignorance or the war and its objectives.

that comment you quoted did not suggest I claimed the Empire began the war.
Yes, my friend, it was exactly the same in 1939 as it is today-over ideologies and resources and who was going to control them. Nothing changes, nothing is new. War is always for the benefit of the wealthy and rarely about the noble causes ascribed to them.

 

[CDNBear]

that comment you quoted did not suggest I claimed the Empire began the war.
Yes, my friend, it was exactly the same in 1939 as it is today-over ideologies and resources and who was going to control them. Nothing changes, nothing is new. War is always for the benefit of the wealthy and rarely about the noble causes ascribed to them.

No but it asserts an aggressive position, when they were plainly in the defensive.
I can not believe I have to ask this twice in the same thread, ARE YOU FOR REAL?

You think Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Greece, India, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, South Africa, United Kingdom, United States, USSR, Yugoslavia, and everyone else was out to protect the resourses of just good ol' Britania?

I was wrong, you are not un educated on the matter, you are are just plain ignorant to the truth, facts and anything else that does not swing a cross around. Stick with the bible thumping. At least you may have a lock on that forum.

 

[sanctus]

No but it asserts an aggressive position, when they were plainly in the defensive.
I can not believe I have to ask this twice in the same thread, ARE YOU FOR REAL?

You think Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Greece, India, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, South Africa, United Kingdom, United States, USSR, Yugoslavia, and everyone else was out to protect the resourses of just good ol' Britania?

I was wrong, you are not un educated on the matter, you are are just plain ignorant to the truth, facts and anything else that does not swing a cross around. Stick with the bible thumping. At least you may have a lock on that forum.

How naive you are. The British Commonwealth nations were involved in the war to defend the British Empire. The eastern block nations were in the war to defend the Soviet Union, and Brazil was neutral.The USA only became involved in the war after Peral Harbour and after Germany declared war on it to show its support of its Axis partner Japan

Have I "bible-thumped" anyone? Have I insisted they repent of their ways and come home to Holy Mother Church? No. That my faith helps me to formulate my opinions I make no apologies for. We all are victim to our environments in forming our opinions.

 

[sanctus]

. This was a defensive opperation to protect the freedoms and rights of the individual Nations, and to address the injustice being perpetrated on the Jews. Further more, it was against an ideology that was repugnant to the WORLD. Not just the British Empire as you assert. Once again highlighting your ignorance or the war and its objectives.

I just re-read this. Now I must ask you if you are "for real"(to paraphrase you)

You surely do not believe this tommyrot, do you?Address the injustices of the Jews!!! Who was doing this? Surely not North America, where Jewish people were prohibited from joining clubs and organizations. Surely not NA or Britain who turned a blind, uncaring eyes towards Germany and its treatmeent of the Jews for almost 10 yrs prior to the war. We are ALL responsible for the Holocaust.

An Ideology repugnant to the world? Perhaps, but not one they felt compelled enough to prevent in 1931-21. To go to war against it, only after they had been attacked. No effort on a military scale existed to stop the persecution of the Jewish people in 1932,33,34,35,36,37 or 1938.

In short, we did not care about the plight of the Jews.We did not have those noble ambitions at all. We did not send people over to die for their sake, I assure you.

 

[CDNBear]

How naive you are. The British Commonwealth nations were involved in the war to defend the British Empire. The eastern block nations were in the war to defend the Soviet Union, and Brazil was neutral.

Have I "bible-thumped" anyone? Have I insisted they repent of their ways and come home to Holy Mother Church? No. That my faith helps me to formulate my opinions I make no apologies for. We all are victim to our environments in forming our opinions.

LOl, I will state this and then give you no more thought, then I would give road kill. You keep using the Imperialist word "Empire" to describe Britian. A telling sign that you have a preconcieved emotion against her. At the time of WWII(LWF), there were no eastern Block countries, but thanx for proving my point, that you ahve no idea about the history of the time. They were taken in a power grap at the end of WWII(LWF), by mother Russia. They were in the war in the war to defend the lives and freedoms of their people, only to have them stamped out by the red empire in the end.

I would liketo say it was a pleasure discussing this with you, but it wasn't. Like alot of people here, you distort facts and history to your agenda or train of thought. Anyone that tries to correct that or point that out, must just be plainly wrong.

I was referencing to sticking to what you actually know. Hence bible thumping.

 

[CDNBear]

I just re-read this. Now I must ask you if you are "for real"(to paraphrase you)

You surely do not believe this tommyrot, do you?Address the injustices of the Jews!!! Who was doing this? Surely not North America, where Jewish people were prohibited from joining clubs and organizations. Surely not NA or Britain who turned a blind, uncaring eyes towards Germany and its treatmeent of the Jews for almost 10 yrs prior to the war. We are ALL responsible for the Holocaust.

An Ideology repugnant to the world? Perhaps, but not one they felt compelled enough to prevent in 1931-21. To go to war against it, only after they had been attacked. No effort on a military scale existed to stop the persecution of the Jewish people in 1932,33,34,35,36,37 or 1938.

In short, we did not care about the plight of the Jews.We did not have those noble ambitions at all. We did not send people over to die for their sake, I assure you.

Actually, I will retract that, because they did not have fore knowledge of those perticualar events. And yes you are correct. the Jews were treated with contempt. But that still does excuse your ignorance of WWII(LWF) in its entirety.

 

[sanctus]

LOl, I will state this and then give you no more thought, then I would give road kill. You keep using the Imperialist word "Empire" to describe Britian. A telling sign that you have a preconcieved emotion against her. At the time of WWII(LWF), there were no eastern Block countries, but thanx for proving my point, that you ahve no idea about the history of the time. They were taken in a power grap at the end of WWII(LWF), by mother Russia. They were in the war in the war to defend the lives and freedoms of their people, only to have them stamped out by the red empire in the end.

I would liketo say it was a pleasure discussing this with you, but it wasn't. Like alot of people here, you distort facts and history to your agenda or train of thought. Anyone that tries to correct that or point that out, must just be plainly wrong.

I was referencing to sticking to what you actually know. Hence bible thumping.

I know there were not eastern block at the time, I used it as a reference point.No goverment, I assure you, was involved into that war to free anybody, but only to preserve their own interests. And yes, there was still a British Empire. Good lord, it was called the British Commonwealth for heaven's sake.And we were the Dominion of Canada.

Again, I have specifically attempted to "bible-thump" when?

 

[CDNBear]

I know there were not eastern block at the time, I used it as a reference point.No goverment, I assure you, was involved into that war to free anybody, but only to preserve their own interests. And yes, there was still a British Empire. Good lord, it was called the British Commonwealth for heaven's sake.And we were the Dominion of Canada.

Again, I have specifically attempted to "bible-thump" when?

Oh I just can't help myself. Why do I give road kill a second thought?
A reference point? They didn't even exist! So how were they protecting mother Russia, if she wasn't their mom at the time?

Their own interests now is it? Before it was mother Russia they were dying for, now it's their own interests. Those interests would likely be what? Freedom from nazi tyranny? Freedom from having to goose step? Oh how about this one, Hey this is our country, get out nazi's? Those wouldn't be the interests you so flippantly refer to, would they?
I am morethen aware of the British Empire, I have been a subject of it for my entire life. But your inferences and tonality, are expressing an Imperialist ideal. The war against German nazi's was far from an Imperialist war. It was a war to defend freedoms and rights. Period.

You claimed to be a priest, so I suggested to you, that you stick to what you have have chosen as an education, bible thumping. I can not explain that any clearer then that. If you don't get history, I doubt you'll get that. Besides, should you not be off writing tomorrows preach from the pulpit. You know, where you continuesly con the unwashed masses into coughing up more money to fuel the fires of eternal damnation?

 

[sanctus]

Actually, I will retract that, because they did not have fore knowledge of those perticualar events. And yes you are correct. the Jews were treated with contempt. But that still does excuse your ignorance of WWII(LWF) in its entirety.

Noy ignorance, a different point of view. And yes, many of the leading figures of the time were fully aware of what the Nazi reigme was doing to the Jewish people. They just choose to ignore it.