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Why systematically? That’s an interesting qualifier for the statement. Is it a “hard to identify who’s doing what” sort’a thing to to the lack of identifiers like…ID badges or uniforms or how they personally identify? Maybe the Hamas run Gaza Health Authority can shed some light on this (?) or maybe they don’t distinguish between Hamas and others in Gaza (when it fits their narrative)?

What about most of the last couple decades?

Are they also condemning Hamas & Friends for their role in this also (?) & if not, why?
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Why the masks? Just curious….
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For not being in uniforms, there almost seems to be a pattern to the method of dress here…but that could be a coincidence.

Above pics from this above link…
They guys in the masks are tribal coalition guards hired by the private aid company on behalf of tribes.

What the fuck did you think it was? Hamas? Did you not read the caption below the 1st photo you posted?
 

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What's antisemitic? Repeating what they say, intend and mentioning their actions they don't deny?
Like, “From some river to some sea, that place will be free of something or another?!” or something like that? How does that go again? What do they (whomever “they” are) mean by that?
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This is probably a coincidence though.
 

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So, what's your solution, petros? An independent Gaza state? A Gaza-West Bank independent Palestine? Full integration of Gaza and the West Bank into Israel? Or just more antisemitism?

I know you didn't ask me my opinion but... gonna toss it in anyway.

There's been too much blood spilled for a two state solution at this point to work, despite the promises even at the time of Israel's "Creation" that says otherwise.

At least, not a two state that has the agreement of both sides.

So...

Because of that, my thought would be what consists of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza now is redrawn, one part specifically given to Israel, one part specifically given to Palestine with a HEAVY DMZ zone between the two, manned by the UN Peacekeepers (easiest would be north region given to Palestine, south region given to Israel. Each part has access to the sea, each part has access to the "River" and that's the end of the bullshit. No side will be happy to have what they have, but at least both sides HAVE a place. And any Palestinians inside the Israeli side are free to leave, just as any Israeli's inside the Palestinian side are free to leave. But if they stay, they canNOT bitch about who is in charge and start back up their conflicts. That happens, neutral peacekeepers come in and remove the problems, escorting them out of the country and they are not permitted to return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

Neither side has proven that they really deserve to be in control; they're lucky they get that.

Oh, and Jerusalem? A zone that neither side controls. Since it's important religiously to the "Big Three", it is an island nation independent of EVERY nation - much like Rome in Italy sort of - and 'rule' of it consists of a council elected by the people who live there. OR they can ask an independent, external group of people govern the city area, people with no ties to it what so ever. However it's decided, Jerusalem is no longer a "Capital" for any ONE religion or Government.

And if they don't like that, again, tough shit.

And while I agree that it's not likely, what so ever, for anything like this, or close to it, or even vaguely like it, to happen, really it's the only solution there is, IMO, since neither side can be trusted to grow the fuck up and out of this lunacy.
 
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They guys in the masks are tribal coalition guards hired by the private aid company on behalf of tribes.

What the fuck did you think it was? Hamas? Did you not read the caption below the 1st photo you posted?
Didn’t know what it was, so I threw it out there. It was a picture in a link you’d posted. Just seemed kinda coincidental that so many had black shirts with something (not always the same) over the heart in white on the shirts, & masks are also pretty consistent. Coulda been the Middle East version of the boy scouts for all I knew.
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They guys in the masks are tribal coalition guards hired by the private aid company on behalf of tribes.
I missed it saying that those were tribal coalition guards hired by the private aid company on behalf of the tribes below that picture in all honesty.
What the fuck did you think it was? Hamas? Did you not read the caption below the 1st photo you posted?
Guess I didn’t read it close enough, or between the lines, or whatever.
(Probably not systematic enough though)
(YouTube & Inside the IDF “Aid Massacre” That Never Happened)
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Like the “tribal coalition guards” hired by the private aid company on behalf of tribes?
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Is Hamas in Israel killing women and children through violence and starvation?
Are they? Are there any actual surviving Holocaustages left (?) or are Hamas & friends down to swapping out corpses for whatever they deem as valuable as opposed to non-Hamas-affiliated Palestinian civilians?
Hamas is building a concentration camp?
No idea. Are they? Do they need to? With the intentions & planning to force the hand of those dirty Zionist Jews to react due to the actions of 10/07/2023, is a concentration camp to hold Palacaustages even necessary for Hamas when they can get the Jews to do the work for them, and then condemn them for it?
Hamas illegally bombed Iran?
The odd couple or thousands into Israel? Sometimes thousands in a single day during (and also ending) a cease-fire that Hamas claims to want? Like what was in place up until roughly 6:30am on Simchat Torah in 2023? Something like that?
Did Israel differentiate between Hamas and civilians…
How? Differentiate base upon locations? Uniformed combatants vs non-uniformed civilians? Something along those lines?
(Hamas uniforms seem to only come out of their dry cleaning bags for ceremonies and photoshoots like Holocaustage exchanges, etc…🤫)
Gaza has been under seige for 18 years predating Netanyahu’s Hamas puppets.
18 years? From 2025? So 2006/2007? What happened then? In Gaza I mean. This would be after Israel pulled all their citizens out’a Gaza then, right? Surrendered it completely to Palestinians & Hamas?
I know you didn't ask me my opinion but... gonna toss it in anyway.

There's been too much blood spilled for a two state solution at this point to work, despite the promises even at the time of Israel's "Creation" that says otherwise.

At least, not a two state that has the agreement of both sides.

So...

Because of that, my thought would be what consists of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza now is redrawn, one part specifically given to Israel, one part specifically given to Palestine with a HEAVY DMZ zone between the two, manned by the UN Peacekeepers (easiest would be north region given to Palestine, south region given to Israel. Each part has access to the sea, each part has access to the "River" and that's the end of the bullshit. No side will be happy to have what they have, but at least both sides HAVE a place. And any Palestinians inside the Israeli side are free to leave, just as any Israeli's inside the Palestinian side are free to leave. But if they stay, they canNOT bitch about who is in charge and start back up their conflicts. That happens, neutral peacekeepers come in and remove the problems, escorting them out of the country and they are not permitted to return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

Neither side has proven that they really deserve to be in control; they're lucky they get that.

Oh, and Jerusalem? A zone that neither side controls. Since it's important religiously to the "Big Three", it is an island nation independent of EVERY nation - much like Rome in Italy sort of - and 'rule' of it consists of a council elected by the people who live there. OR they can ask an independent, external group of people govern the city area, people with no ties to it what so ever. However it's decided, Jerusalem is no longer a "Capital" for any ONE religion or Government.

And if they don't like that, again, tough shit.

And while I agree that it's not likely, what so ever, for anything like this, or close to it, or even vaguely like it, to happen, really it's the only solution there is, IMO, since neither side can be trusted to grow the fuck up and out of this lunacy.
Why (just out’a curiosity, assuming you can even see this) would it be “easier to give the northern “half” to the Palestinians & the southern desert “half” to the Israel/Israelis?

In all honesty, as a non-religious person, personally, I think Jerusalem should be evacuated, and turned into a glass bowl with a low residual radiation (neutron?) nuclear tool and then it’s just done and over with already.

If God is real, he/she can unglassify it at a future date of its choosing and give it to whomever it chooses, or doesn’t choose to…or leave it as a memorial to the stupidity and excuse to conflict that religion (at least from the outside) seems to be.
 

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Like, “From some river to some sea, that place will be free of something or another?!” or something like that? How does that go again? What do they (whomever “they” are) mean by that?
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This is probably a coincidence though.
Which is actually happening? River to the Sea or Euphrates to the Sea?

The phrase "from the Euphrates to the sea" is associated with the concept of Greater Israel, a term sometimes used to describe a territorial vision that extends beyond the current borders of the State of Israel. Some interpretations of this concept include areas from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea. This idea is linked to interpretations of biblical texts describing the Land of Israel and its borders.
 

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Didn’t know what it was, so I threw it out there. It was a picture in a link you’d posted. Just seemed kinda coincidental that so many had black shirts with something (not always the same) over the heart in white on the shirts, & masks are also pretty consistent. Coulda been the Middle East version of the boy scouts for all I knew.
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I missed it saying that those were tribal coalition guards hired by the private aid company on behalf of the tribes below that picture in all honesty.

Guess I didn’t read it close enough, or between the lines, or whatever.
(Probably not systematic enough though)
(YouTube & Inside the IDF “Aid Massacre” That Never Happened)
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Are they? Are there any actual surviving Holocaustages left (?) or are Hamas & friends down to swapping out corpses for whatever they deem as valuable as opposed to non-Hamas-affiliated Palestinian civilians?

No idea. Are they? Do they need to? With the intentions & planning to force the hand of those dirty Zionist Jews to react due to the actions of 10/07/2023, is a concentration camp to hold Palacaustages even necessary for Hamas when they can get the Jews to do the work for them, and then condemn them for it?

The odd couple or thousands into Israel? Sometimes thousands in a single day during (and also ending) a cease-fire that Hamas claims to want? Like what was in place up until roughly 6:30am on Simchat Torah in 2023? Something like that?

How? Differentiate base upon locations? Uniformed combatants vs non-uniformed civilians? Something along those lines?
(Hamas uniforms seem to only come out of their dry cleaning bags for ceremonies and photoshoots like Holocaustage exchanges, etc…🤫)

18 years? From 2025? So 2006/2007? What happened then? In Gaza I mean. This would be after Israel pulled all their citizens out’a Gaza then, right? Surrendered it completely to Palestinians & Hamas?

Why (just out’a curiosity, assuming you can even see this) would it be “easier to give the northern “half” to the Palestinians & the southern desert “half” to the Israel/Israelis?

In all honesty, as a non-religious person, personally, I think Jerusalem should be evacuated, and turned into a glass bowl with a low residual radiation (neutron?) nuclear tool and then it’s just done and over with already.

If God is real, he/she can unglassify it at a future date of its choosing and give it to whomever it chooses, or doesn’t choose to…or leave it as a memorial to the stupidity and excuse to conflict that religion (at least from the outside) seems to be.
That's hilarious. Illegal occupiers surrendered their illegal accommodations to Hamas.

Describe the physical border of Gaza. What is it?

There is no God claim. No Ezekiel or Daniel and no 3rd Covenant/Testement.

Did you miss any propaganda line?


Please explain how A jew of Ukrainian heritage born and raised in Argentina has a right to farmland in Palestine. Can you do that?

Does that sound Reich to you?
 
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I know you didn't ask me my opinion but... gonna toss it in anyway.
Please, go ahead.
There's been too much blood spilled for a two state solution at this point to work, despite the promises even at the time of Israel's "Creation" that says otherwise.

At least, not a two state that has the agreement of both sides.
Agreed.
So...

Because of that, my thought would be what consists of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza now is redrawn, one part specifically given to Israel, one part specifically given to Palestine with a HEAVY DMZ zone between the two, manned by the UN Peacekeepers (easiest would be north region given to Palestine, south region given to Israel. Each part has access to the sea, each part has access to the "River" and that's the end of the bullshit. No side will be happy to have what they have, but at least both sides HAVE a place. And any Palestinians inside the Israeli side are free to leave, just as any Israeli's inside the Palestinian side are free to leave. But if they stay, they canNOT bitch about who is in charge and start back up their conflicts. That happens, neutral peacekeepers come in and remove the problems, escorting them out of the country and they are not permitted to return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

Neither side has proven that they really deserve to be in control; they're lucky they get that.
Problem is, that's roughly what happened in '48. Admittedly, '48 was largely rubber-stamping reality. Either way, didn't work.
Oh, and Jerusalem? A zone that neither side controls. Since it's important religiously to the "Big Three", it is an island nation independent of EVERY nation - much like Rome in Italy sort of - and 'rule' of it consists of a council elected by the people who live there. OR they can ask an independent, external group of people govern the city area, people with no ties to it what so ever. However it's decided, Jerusalem is no longer a "Capital" for any ONE religion or Government.

And if they don't like that, again, tough shit.
I'm deeply reluctant to shed one drop of UN Peacekeeper blood for anybody's Sky Daddy fairytale.
And while I agree that it's not likely, what so ever, for anything like this, or close to it, or even vaguely like it, to happen, really it's the only solution there is, IMO, since neither side can be trusted to grow the fuck up and out of this lunacy.
Thanks for the thoughtful answer. I disagree, don't think it'll work, but at least you've put some thought into it.
 

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Virginia counter-attacks!

Northern Virginia VCU student denied diploma after participating in pro-Palestinian protests​

Dan Ronan | dan.ronan@wtop.com
July 26, 2025, 8:48 AM

Two months after earning a bachelor’s degree from Virginia Commonwealth University, a 20-year-old Northern Virginia woman is having her diploma withheld for partaking in pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

Sereen Haddad is accused of violating the school’s code of conduct by participating in pro-Palestinian demonstrations and school officials tell WTOP the diploma is on hold until it investigates her alleged conduct.

The Haddad family has deep ties to Gaza and her father, cardiologist Dr. Tariq Haddad, said at least 200 extended family members and friends have died during the Israeli-Hamas war.

Haddad finished her classwork at VCU in three years and would’ve earned a degree in psychology. She intends to pursue a master’s degree in psychology and eventually a PhD.

“She did all the requirements in three years rather than four with a 4.0, summa cum laude,” Tariq said. “She wants to obtain a degree, a PhD in psychology, because over 50% of the children in Gaza suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and childhood depression because of all these attacks over the past few years.”

He said his daughter’s goal is to use her PhD to help children with war-related mental illness.
The dispute is also holding up her applications to graduate school, because she does not officially have a bachelor’s degree.
After participating in and organizing several peaceful campus protests, Sereen was notified by the university this spring that she could attend the graduation ceremony but would not receive her diploma.

Link (don't know if it's paywalled)

Leads to an interesting question. . . you've paid all the tuition and fees, and met all the requirements. Can you sue to force the college to cough up your diploma?

And another. . . VCU is a state institution. Is this action a First Amendment freedom of speech violation?
 

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Landlord jailed for decades in hate-crime attack on Palestinian American family has died
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Joseph Czuba, 71, stands before Circuit Judge Dave Carlson for his arraignment at the Will County courthouse, Oct. 30, 2023, in Joliet, Ill.
JOLIET, Ill. (AP) — A landlord jailed for decades after he attacked a Palestinian American boy and his mother has died.


Three months ago, Joseph Czuba was sentenced to 53 years behind bars for the attack. He was found guilty in February of murder, attempted murder and hate-crime charges in the death of Wadee Alfayoumi and the wounding of the boy’s mother, Hanan Shaheen.


The 73-year-old Czuba targeted them in October 2023 because of their Islamic faith and as a response to the war between Israel and Hamas, which started days earlier.

Czuba died Thursday in the custody of the Illinois Department of Corrections, the Chicago Sun-Times reported, citing the Will County Sheriff’s Office. The law enforcement agency did not return a call seeking comment on the death.

Ahmed Rehab, the executive director of Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Chicago office, said in a statement on Saturday that “this depraved killer has died, but the hate is still alive and well.”


Evidence at trial included harrowing testimony from Shaheen and her frantic 911 call, along with bloody crime scene photos and police video. Jurors deliberated less than 90 minutes before handing in a verdict.

The family had been renting rooms in Czuba’s home in Plainfield, about 40 miles (64 kilometres) from Chicago when the attack happened.

Central to prosecutors’ case was harrowing testimony from the boy’s mother, who said Czuba attacked her before moving on to her son, insisting they had to leave because they were Muslim. Prosecutors also played the 911 call and showed police footage. Czuba’s wife, Mary, whom he has since divorced, also testified for the prosecution, saying he had become agitated about the Israel-Hamas war, which had erupted days earlier.

Police said Czuba pulled a knife from a holder on a belt and stabbed the boy 26 times, leaving the knife in the child’s body. Some of the bloody crime scene photos were so explicit that the judge agreed to turn television screens showing them away from the audience, which included Wadee’s relatives.

The attack renewed fears of anti-Muslim discrimination and hit particularly hard in Plainfield and surrounding suburbs, which have a large and established Palestinian community. Wadee’s funeral drew large crowds, and Plainfield officials have dedicated a park playground in his honour.
 

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Virginia counter-attacks!

Northern Virginia VCU student denied diploma after participating in pro-Palestinian protests​

Dan Ronan | dan.ronan@wtop.com
July 26, 2025, 8:48 AM

Two months after earning a bachelor’s degree from Virginia Commonwealth University, a 20-year-old Northern Virginia woman is having her diploma withheld for partaking in pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

Sereen Haddad is accused of violating the school’s code of conduct by participating in pro-Palestinian demonstrations and school officials tell WTOP the diploma is on hold until it investigates her alleged conduct.

The Haddad family has deep ties to Gaza and her father, cardiologist Dr. Tariq Haddad, said at least 200 extended family members and friends have died during the Israeli-Hamas war.

Haddad finished her classwork at VCU in three years and would’ve earned a degree in psychology. She intends to pursue a master’s degree in psychology and eventually a PhD.

“She did all the requirements in three years rather than four with a 4.0, summa cum laude,” Tariq said. “She wants to obtain a degree, a PhD in psychology, because over 50% of the children in Gaza suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and childhood depression because of all these attacks over the past few years.”

He said his daughter’s goal is to use her PhD to help children with war-related mental illness.
The dispute is also holding up her applications to graduate school, because she does not officially have a bachelor’s degree.
After participating in and organizing several peaceful campus protests, Sereen was notified by the university this spring that she could attend the graduation ceremony but would not receive her diploma.

Link (don't know if it's paywalled)

Leads to an interesting question. . . you've paid all the tuition and fees, and met all the requirements. Can you sue to force the college to cough up your diploma?

And another. . . VCU is a state institution. Is this action a First Amendment freedom of speech violation?
That’s a shitty heavy handed politically motivated move that’s totally out’a step like those two Canadians charged With mischief and having the Crown seek penalties of 7 & 8 years respectively, to make an example out of Sereen Haddad.
 

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'I Witnessed War Crimes' in Gaza, U.S. Veteran and Former GHF Worker Tells BBC​


Haaretz
Jul 26, 2025 11:20 pm IDT

A retired U.S. special forces officer has told the BBC he witnessed Israeli and American personnel open fire on unarmed civilians in Gaza.
 

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Describe the physical border of Gaza. What is it?
Describe the physical border of US/Mexico. You want a description of the Gaza/Israel border or the Gaza/Egypt border?
There is no God claim. No Ezekiel or Daniel and no 3rd Covenant/Testement.
No Allah and whatever claims either? I don’t follow the religious end of the excuses too closely beyond as a curiosity.
Did you miss any propaganda line?
You would have to be way more specific because the propaganda is thick from all directions in this current round of the ongoing goat rodeo.
Please explain how A jew of Ukrainian heritage born and raised in Argentina has a right to farmland in Palestine. Can you do that?
Probably not. Just like I probably couldn’t explain why Yasser Arafat (born and grew up in & went to university in Egypt, then resided in Jordan and Lebanon and Tunisia, before residing in Gaza/Palestine) became the head of the PLO demanding Arab nationalism while denying Israeli nationalism. Can you do that?

'I Witnessed War Crimes' in Gaza, U.S. Veteran and Former GHF Worker Tells BBC​


Haaretz
Jul 26, 2025 11:20 pm IDT

A retired U.S. special forces officer has told the BBC he witnessed Israeli and American personnel open fire on unarmed civilians in Gaza.
Seen GoPro & Cellphone footage of that from 10/07/2023 in Israel, assuming that whole thing wasn’t a hoax. Lots of shitty things happening in that sandbox that will be dissected once this current round is over.
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Israel launched a war against Hamas in Gaza in response to the Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

More than 59,000 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
(YouTube & Israel allows more aid into Gaza amid reports of starvation | DW News)
(YouTube & WATCH: Israel Defense Forces Airdrop Aid Into Gaza)
The IDF said that responsibility for food distribution to the population in Gaza "lies with the UN and international aid organisations" and added they must "ensure that the aid does not reach Hamas". Photographs on Sunday showed lorries carrying aid queuing at Gaza's Rafah border with Egypt, awaiting access into the territory.

In a statement on Sunday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) also announced what it called a "local tactical pause in military activity" for humanitarian purposes in three areas. Palestinian (😉) officials are yet to comment on the plan for humanitarian corridors, or on the reported airdrop into Gaza. The IDF said it would open humanitarian corridors for aid convoys in Gaza to allow the UN and other organisations to deliver food and medicine to Palestinians across the strip. The routes would be in place from 06:00 to 23:00 local time (04:00 BST to 21:00 BST).
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The pause in military activity would take place in three areas - Al Mawasi, Deir al-Balah and Gaza City - from 10:00 to 20:00 local time (08:00 BST to 18:00 BST) each day until further notice, the IDF added.
(YouTube & random images with intense CNN-ish soundtrack Military Activity' for Parts of Gaza | WION)
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(This is just a cool picture. Very cinematic. Twilight in the distance, etc…staged and those seven pallets are a drop in the ocean, but a dramatic one)
 

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That’s a shitty heavy handed politically motivated move that’s totally out’a step like those two Canadians charged With mischief and having the Crown seek penalties of 7 & 8 years respectively, to make an example out of Sereen Haddad.
Now, now. According to the Virginian who wrote the Declaration of Independence and founded the University of Virginia, she's not created equal, and therefore has no "inalienable rights."

We hold these truths to be self-evident.
 

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Oct 7 is the result of 18 years of seige in Gaza and escalating Jewish supremacist terrorism and colonialism in the West Bank and Gaza over the past 58 years. Facts are facts.

Israel needs to own that. They also need to own being founded on terrorism. Terrorist gangs declared independence and formed Gov't in 1948 after years of terrorism on the British and Palestinians.

As for your radical Zionist biblical claim.

Do you know what a covenant/testement is?

How many are there?

Who made covenants?

How many gods are there? Was there a consensus?

Why 67? The dog pigs were making a compromise to achieve Statehood and Peace but the God's Chosen Humans want all the dirty dog/pig's land and they aren't going to stop liquidating the subhumans in their way until they get it.

This has been stated numerous times by the inbred Chosen humans but you niave dog pigs are too stupid to listen and accept their intent.
Israel hasn't been in Gaza since 2005 & STILL it's not good enough! WOW!! Hamas, it seems, can do no wrong!! Also, Palestinians voted in Hamas & there hasn't been an election since!
 

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Israel hasn't been in Gaza since 2005 & STILL it's not good enough! WOW!! Hamas, it seems, can do no wrong!! Also, Palestinians voted in Hamas & there hasn't been an election since!
Ever heard of West Bank? Jewish Supremacist terrorists are committing atrocities there daily. Gaza is walled in. It's a prison.
 

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Ever heard of West Bank? Jewish Supremacist terrorists are committing atrocities there daily. Gaza is walled in. It's a prison.
Fresh off the presses minutes ago.

Palestinian families in West Bank hamlet said to flee due to settler attacks
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Several families from the Palestinian West Bank hamlet of Deir Alla have abandoned the dwelling in the face of several settler attacks over the last few days, and the establishment of a settler outpost in the hamlet, the Palestinian news agency Wafa reports.

The head of Kisan Village Council, which is close to Deir Alla, is quoted by Wafa as saying that settlers vandalized homes in the dwelling yesterday, destroyed solar panels and the local water network and looted some belongings.

Head of the council Mousa Abiyyat states that following the attack, settlers came back later in the day and threatened the residents with severe consequences if they did not leave the hamlet, leading several families to flee.

According to Haaretz, 17 families have now abandoned Deir Alla, following the violence of the last few days and the establishment of the outpost on Wednesday.

Saturday’s incidents followed an arson attack against several homes in the hamlet overnight Friday.

IDF forces who arrived at the scene detained several suspects on suspicion of involvement in the incident and handed them over to the police, the IDF spokesperson’s unit says.

Officials say that the police then released them after questioning them in the field, although the police have denied that any suspects were detained or arrested at all.

More from today’s Liveblog:
Responding to reprimand, French embassy expresses support for ‘democratic, demilitarized Palestinian state’
Starmer reportedly recalling his cabinet from summer break to discuss Gaza
WHO says malnutrition reaching ‘alarming levels’ in Gaza

 

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Ever heard of West Bank?
I’ve heard of it, if that’s any consolation. Under the United Nations in 1947, it was designated as part of a proposed Arab stateby the Partition Plan for Palestine. UN Resolution 181 recommended the splitting of the British Mandate into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered enclave of Jerusalem.

A broader region of the modern-day West Bank was assigned to the Arab state. The resolution designated the territory described as "the hill country of Samaria and Judea", and that wasn’t even biblical times somehow, the area now known as the "West Bank", as part of the proposed Arab state. Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, this area was captured by Transjordan.😳.

During the 1948 war, Israel occupied parts of what was designated in the UN partition plan as "Palestine". The 1949 Armistice Agreements defined the interim boundarybetween Israel and Jordan, essentially reflecting the battlefield after that war.

Following the December 1948 Jericho Conference, Transjordan annexed the area west of the Jordan River in 1950, naming it "West Bank" or "Cisjordan", and designated the area east of the river as "East Bank" or "Transjordan".

Jordan, as it was now known, ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967, and queerly, never offered it up to become a Palestinian state.

(Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom and Iraq, but Shhhhh….🤫)

In June 1967, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by Israel from…Jordan…& not Palestine as a result of the Six-Day War. With the exception of East Jerusalem and the former Israeli–Jordanian no man's land, the West Bank was not annexed by Israel. It remained under Israeli military control until 1982.
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The 1974 Arab League summit resolution at Rabat designated the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people". Founded in 1964, it initially sought to establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel.

The PLO began their militancy campaign from its inception with an attack on Israel's National Water Carrier in January 1965. The group used guerrilla tactics to attack Israel from their bases in Jordan (which then included the West Bank as a part of Jordan), Lebanon, Egypt (Gaza Strip), and Syria.

Jordan did not officially relinquish its claim to the area until 1988, when it realized it wasn’t getting that area back, it severed all administrative and legal ties with the West Bank and eventually stripped West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship.

Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). Oh well…on 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.

As the officially recognized government of the de jure State of Palestine, it has enjoyed United Nations observer status since 1974. Prior to the Oslo Accords, the PLO's militant wings engaged in acts of violence against both the Israeli military and civilians, within Israel and abroad.

(The United States designated it as a terrorist group in 1987, though a presidential waiver has permitted American–PLO contact since 1988)
 

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I’ve heard of it, if that’s any consolation. Under the United Nations in 1947, it was designated as part of a proposed Arab stateby the Partition Plan for Palestine. UN Resolution 181 recommended the splitting of the British Mandate into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered enclave of Jerusalem.

A broader region of the modern-day West Bank was assigned to the Arab state. The resolution designated the territory described as "the hill country of Samaria and Judea", and that wasn’t even biblical times somehow, the area now known as the "West Bank", as part of the proposed Arab state. Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, this area was captured by Transjordan.😳.

During the 1948 war, Israel occupied parts of what was designated in the UN partition plan as "Palestine". The 1949 Armistice Agreements defined the interim boundarybetween Israel and Jordan, essentially reflecting the battlefield after that war.

Following the December 1948 Jericho Conference, Transjordan annexed the area west of the Jordan River in 1950, naming it "West Bank" or "Cisjordan", and designated the area east of the river as "East Bank" or "Transjordan".

Jordan, as it was now known, ruled over the West Bank from 1948 until 1967, and queerly, never offered it up to become a Palestinian state.

(Jordan's annexation was never formally recognized by the international community, with the exception of the United Kingdom and Iraq, but Shhhhh….🤫)

In June 1967, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by Israel from…Jordan…& not Palestine as a result of the Six-Day War. With the exception of East Jerusalem and the former Israeli–Jordanian no man's land, the West Bank was not annexed by Israel. It remained under Israeli military control until 1982.
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The 1974 Arab League summit resolution at Rabat designated the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people". Founded in 1964, it initially sought to establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel.

The PLO began their militancy campaign from its inception with an attack on Israel's National Water Carrier in January 1965.[26]The group used guerrilla tactics to attack Israel from their bases in Jordan (which then included the West Bank as a part of Jordan), Lebanon, Egypt (Gaza Strip), and Syria.

Jordan did not officially relinquish its claim to the area until 1988, when it realized it wasn’t getting that area back, it severed all administrative and legal ties with the West Bank and eventually stripped West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship.

Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). Oh well…on 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.

As the officially recognized government of the de jure State of Palestine, it has enjoyed United Nations observer status since 1974. Prior to the Oslo Accords, the PLO's militant wings engaged in acts of violence against both the Israeli military and civilians, within Israel and abroad.

(The United States designated it as a terrorist group in 1987, though a presidential waiver has permitted American–PLO contact since 1988)
So what happened in 1947 that went terribly wrong for the UN plan to fall apart?

TERROR OUT OF ZION - IRGUN ZVAI LEUMI, LEHI, AND THE PALESTINE UNDERGROUND, 1929-1949
NCJ Number 62309
Author(s)
J B Bell
Date Published 1977
Length 385 pages
Annotation
THE HISTORY, LEADERSHIP, AND ACTIVITIES OF THE MILITANT ZIONIST UNDERGROUND ARMY, THE IRGUN ZVAI LEUMI, ARE INVESTIGATED, AS WELL AS THE ACTIVITIES OF THE STERN GROUP AND THE HAGANAH, DURING THE YEARS 1929-1949.
Abstract
IN 1929, JEWISH-ARAB CONFLICT IN PALESTINE PRODUCED MANY DEATHS ON BOTH SIDES, DESPITE EFFORTS OF THE OCCUPYING BRITISH ARMY TO KEEP PEACE. THE HAGANAH HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED BY JEWISH ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIALS TO PROVIDE WHAT PROVED TO BE LIMITED SELF-DEFENSE FOR JEWISH COMMUNITIES, WITH ORDERS NOT TO ENGAGE IN INDISCRIMINATE ATTACKS ON ARABS. COOPERATION WITH BRITISH SECURITY FORCES WAS HAGANAH POLICY. DURING THIS PERIOD OF INCREASING HOSTILITIES BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS, THE IRGUN WAS FORMED UPON THE LEADERSHIP OF VLADIMIR JABOTINSKY TO ASSUME AN OFFENSIVE TERRORIST STRATEGY AGAINST THE ARABS WITH APPARENTLY ARBITRARY VIOLENCE AGAINST ARAB POPULATIONS. ANOTHER UNDERGROUND JEWISH TERRORIST GROUP, LOHAMEY HERUTH ISRAEL (FIGHTERS FOR THE FREEDOM OF ISRAEL) OR LEHI, WAS FORMED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF AVRAHAM STERN AND CAME TO BE PERCEIVED BY CONVENTIONAL EYES AS THE MOST VIOLENT AND UNRESTRAINED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF THE MODERN ERA. WHEREAS THE HAGANAH ACTED AS AN UNDERGROUPND MILITIA AND THE IRGUN AS AN UNDERGROUND ARMY, LEHI FOCUSED ON THE ASSASSINATIONS OF SIGNIFICANT BRITISH OFFICIALS, THE MOST NOTABLE BEING THE MURDER OF BRITISH AMBASSADOR MOYNE IN EGYPT. THE IRGUN, WITH LEADERSHIP PASSING FROM JABOTINSKY TO MENACHEM BEGIN, CONTINUED ITS AGGRESSION AGAINST THE ARABS AND THE BRITISH OCCUPIERS (FREQUENTLY IN JOINT ACTIONS WITH LEHI) UNTIL PARTITIONING OF PALESTINE OCCURRED BY UNITED NATIONS ACTION. ISRAELI GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SOUGHT NONVIOLENT AND ACCOMMODATING RESOLUTIONS TO ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICTS, LEADING TO THE CENSURE OF IRGUN IN THE INTEREST OF A UNIFIED, OFFICIAL POLICY OF MODERATION. BEGIN EVENTUALLY DISMANTLED IRGUN TO ESTABLISH A LEGITIMATE POLITICAL PARTY. WHILE THE MODERATES OF ZIONISM AND ISRAELI OFFICIALDOM VIEWED THE VIOLENT ACTIVITIES OF IRGUN AND LEHI AS A MORAL BLIGHT ON THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND DESTRUCTIVE OF EFFORTS AT PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS OF CONFLICTS, OTHERS VIEWED THESE GROUPS AND THEIR MEMBERS AS THE MOST DEDICATED, SACRIFICIAL, AND EFFECTIVE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE ZIONIST CAUSE. AN INDEX IS PROVIDED. (RCB)
Additional Details
Corporate Author
St Martin's Press AddressMeredith Howard, 175 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10010, United States
Sale Source
St Martin's Press AddressMeredith Howard, 175 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10010, United States
Publication Type
Historical Overview
Language
English
Country
United States of America

 
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