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Praxius

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You're one funny guy, you know that?
From time to time..... Wait! Did you just assume my gender? Who said I was a guy?

I'm offended. I'll have you know I identify as a yellow highlighter and my preference is towards rubbing one out on card stock. 420gsm to be exact. I like em thicc.

Now I have to find somewhere online to name and shame you for your prejudice. Oh wait, this is a good a spot as any.
 

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From time to time..... Wait! Did you just assume my gender? Who said I was a guy?

No, but sure, think that :)


I'm offended. I'll have you know I identify as a yellow highlighter and my preference is towards rubbing one out on card stock. 420gsm to be exact. I like em thicc.

Okay then?


Now I have to find somewhere online to name and shame you for your prejudice. Oh wait, this is a good a spot as any.

If the sarcasm wasn't that thick I might actually have taken you serious and apologized. But since it is...

Whatever, dude. :D
 

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From time to time..... Wait! Did you just assume my gender? Who said I was a guy?

I'm offended. I'll have you know I identify as a yellow highlighter and my preference is towards rubbing one out on card stock. 420gsm to be exact. I like em thicc.

Now I have to find somewhere online to name and shame you for your prejudice. Oh wait, this is a good a spot as any.
"Go fuck yourself."
--Vice-President Richard "Dick" Cheney
 

TheShadow

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Stop; full stop right there.

This isn't hysteria, or being overstated.

But it's clear you don't give a damn and your whole "oh they have rights" is the typical cry of those who don't actually give a damn, or even get the reality of the situations that trans people face.

I would dare you to say that to a trans woman of color, but you likely would never have the balls.

You wouldn't after you were done talking to them anyway.



The right to live as they are.

Trans people are MORE likely, now, to NOT have that.

Your denial of that simple fact is your ignorance of reality.
You can throw your drama around all you want.

It doesn't make your position any more or less valid than every other minority.

I've been in the "industry" and I know the position.

Virtue signal, shame, a position of moral authority, and the rest of the tools to get what you want running over other rather than working with them to move forward.

It's actually a disservice to those you wish to help.
 

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You can throw your drama around all you want.

Not drama; reality.

It doesn't make your position any more or less valid than every other minority.

If you line up a bunch of minority people, including a black trans woman, and a bunch of redneck assholes come along, the one they are going to kill first is the black trans woman.

I've been in the "industry" and I know the position.

"Industry"? What one is that? We're talking trans rights which is NOT an industry.

Virtue signal, shame, a position of moral authority, and the rest of the tools to get what you want running over other rather than working with them to move forward.

That's one hell of a claim you're making.

It's actually a disservice to those you wish to help.

Standing up for the rights of people to exist isn't a 'disservice'. It's sad that you think it is.
 
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Those options are actually sensible, though the whole 'they/them' "plural pronoun" isn't a new thing, just a 'recent' thing.

But yes, none of it is a right.

Pushing it to be a right is stupid, even I'd agree to that.
You mean like taking an entire town before a human rights tribunal because they refused to declare June as "Pride Month"? Oh and guess what? The tribunal found in the cry-babies' favour, fined the town $10,000, fined the mayor $5000 and ordered him to attend a re-education camp aka "sensitivity training".

Shit like this is why there's so much push back. I mean it's not obligatory to celebrate any actual holidays but for some reason we ALL must celebrate Pride Month.
 
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Unless you are okay with perpetually being misgendered/having the wrong pronoun used when speaking to you, then fine, you can tell trans people all you want they're being overdramatic about it.
Okay, let's look at that from a different angle. For 30-35 years I was frequently mistaken for being First Nations, even by other Native people. Should I have gotten all overdramatic about being mis-identified? Would it have been appropriate for me to get all overdramatic about it after the umpteenth time? Were my human rights somehow violated in any way?

The simple fact is, no matter how evolved we like to think we are we are still a visual species. If somebody looks like something, we're going to assume that's what they are. To put it bluntly, NOBODY wants to start every personal interaction with every new person they meet tiptoeing around what they might or might not be because they might get overdramatically offended about it if you guess wrong.

If you're going to make a life-altering choice/decision that's one thing. But there's 8 billion other people on the planet who don't know you did. Maybe quit expecting everyone you meet for the first time to automatically know you did.
 

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You mean like taking an entire town before a human rights tribunal because they refused to declare June as "Pride Month"? Oh and guess what? The tribunal found in the cry-babies' favour, fined the town $10,000, fined the mayor $5000 and ordered him to attend a re-education camp aka "sensitivity training".

Shit like this is why there's so much push back. I mean it's not obligatory to celebrate any actual holidays but for some reason we ALL must celebrate Pride Month.
Yeah! This single example PROVES that human rights is a bad idea!
 
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Okay, let's look at that from a different angle. For 30-35 years I was frequently mistaken for being First Nations, even by other Native people. Should I have gotten all overdramatic about being mis-identified? Would it have been appropriate for me to get all overdramatic about it after the umpteenth time? Were my human rights somehow violated in any way?

The simple fact is, no matter how evolved we like to think we are we are still a visual species. If somebody looks like something, we're going to assume that's what they are. To put it bluntly, NOBODY wants to start every personal interaction with every new person they meet tiptoeing around what they might or might not be because they might get overdramatically offended about it if you guess wrong.

If you're going to make a life-altering choice/decision that's one thing. But there's 8 billion other people on the planet who don't know you did. Maybe quit expecting everyone you meet for the first time to automatically know you did.
Did you go deliberately go looking to be mis-identified with the purpose of being an asshole and taking those who do mistakenly mis-identify to a tribunal?
 

TheShadow

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Not drama; reality.



If you line up a bunch of minority people, including a black trans woman, and a bunch of redneck assholes come along, the one they are going to kill first is the black trans woman.



"Industry"? What one is that? We're talking trans rights which is NOT an industry.



That's one hell of a claim you're making.



Standing up for the rights of people to exist isn't a 'disservice'. It's sad that you think it is.
You don't see the forest because of the trees.
 
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You mean like taking an entire town before a human rights tribunal because they refused to declare June as "Pride Month"? Oh and guess what? The tribunal found in the cry-babies' favour, fined the town $10,000, fined the mayor $5000 and ordered him to attend a re-education camp aka "sensitivity training".

Shit like this is why there's so much push back. I mean it's not obligatory to celebrate any actual holidays but for some reason we ALL must celebrate Pride Month.

First I've heard of it.

Looking into it, it was voted on and declined.

To me, personally, it should have ended there. It sucks, sure, gives the idea of the community has issues with GLBTQIA+ people and that they're prejudice against them, but the mayor won't always be the mayor and it all could have been handled different.

So really, yeah, it was all fucking stupid. And just builds up resentment.

Guess what Jin - you're right on this, and I agree with you.

Shock, isn't it? (or maybe not so much)
 

Serryah

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Okay, let's look at that from a different angle.

Okay, shoot.

For 30-35 years I was frequently mistaken for being First Nations, even by other Native people.

So was my dad; in fact dad's family was told there was Mi'kmaq in their background after coming over from Scotland. It was hard to prove though because the church where records were kept, of course, burned down so the records are hard to find past a certain point. We've had people look into it, some have found that no, there isn't, some have said yes there is. So, who's right?

Should I have gotten all overdramatic about being mis-identified?

Because you were mistaken for First Nations, did you suffer the problems of First Nation's in being discriminated against, abused, and so on? Did you correct people who mistook you for First Nations, but they denied it and said NO, you ARE FN despite what you say, because I say you are!

At that point, the "different angle" view on this falls apart if the answer to any of that is "no".

Would it have been appropriate for me to get all overdramatic about it after the umpteenth time?

If you weren't getting upset with being called FN when you weren't, I'd question the legitimacy of this story. Or claim you're like other people who take the FN appearance and use it to their own ends.

Were my human rights somehow violated in any way?

See the above replies about "being mis-identified".

Your analogy might have been better served had you said you were FN, but were told continually you weren't. Because of that, you didn't get the usual rights other FN members do, which would then mean yes, your rights *were* violated.

The simple fact is, no matter how evolved we like to think we are we are still a visual species.

Agreed.

If somebody looks like something, we're going to assume that's what they are.

Again, agreed.

To put it bluntly, NOBODY wants to start every personal interaction with every new person they meet tiptoeing around what they might or might not be because they might get overdramatically offended about it if you guess wrong.

It's not tiptoeing, it's respecting that if you're not sure the gender of the person in front of you, then be aware and just ASK them. And when they tell you, RESPECT that.

I've been called "sir" and "guy" and other male connected titles all my life. Now me, personally, I don't give a shit, I really don't, so I don't correct people. Or when people ask my name and I tell them, they either mispronounce it (especially if they're French or another language) or say a whole other name all together. And again, I don't care what so ever. And if later the person hears my name and they realize they've mispronounced it, I shrug and tell them "I don't care, just don't call me late for dinner."

But that's me, personally.

The issue with trans people is the lack of respect given when they correct people "No, my name is.... " or "no, I'm..." and those they spoke to STILL deny what they're told. It gets tiring after a while and when it happens continually, they're going to get pissed. Most people - unless their weird like me - would.

The other day, we had a patient come into the hospital. My co-worker put them through. Then she asked me later, "I don't know if that's a girl or a boy" due to the name the kid had. When I looked at the kid myself, I shrugged and said "The parents could be raising the kid so they're gender neutral, but visually (which yes, fits into your we're a visual race comment) they appear female".

Or another situation; I was registering someone for their T-shots (so female to male trans). I misgendered them. And you know what? I apologized, and the only response I got was "that's okay, it happens" and it was fine. If more interactions were like that, Trans people wouldn't be so bitchy when mistakes are made. It's when in that situation no one apologizes or, if corrected, they say "No, you're ..... gender!" that it becomes a fucking issue. Because imagine saying it over and over and over again - especially in a home or group where people are NOT accepting of it - just how do you think people will act?

If you're going to make a life-altering choice/decision that's one thing.

True.

But there's 8 billion other people on the planet who don't know you did. Maybe quit expecting everyone you meet for the first time to automatically know you did.

That's NOT what happens.

You and others like who who keep saying it does, only prove that a) you're not listening or even willing to listen to trans people and b) you don't give a damn regardless and you'll do what you want, but then bitch and complain when things go sideways or you're held to account for the shit you do, because "how dare they".

Try some compassion, try some empathy, or better yet, if you can't be respectful, hide in your house for the rest of your life so you don't encounter people who might want respect from you. Cause that's the only 'fix' there is.
 

petros

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So what's the Rights issue? Respect and understanding arent a Right or even a privilege.

Even fairies dont have magic wands, why would trans?