Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

Taxslave2

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And stop this idea that the RCMP are all a community or province needs for policing.
That is all we have most of the country outside big cities. And, for the most part, it works well in the areas they serve. The problems are caused by bleeding heart politicians that think addiction is a social problem, which it is not, and the solution is to hire more social workers to hand out free drugs. And drug dealers are entrepreneurs, which is sort of true, but not the kind that is welcome in most communities.
In this part of the country anyway, the majority of importers and dealers are not Canadian by birth and should be instantly deported or executed(their choice) instead of set free to reoffend. Then we can deal effectively with the addictions.
 

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That is all we have most of the country outside big cities. And, for the most part, it works well in the areas they serve.

Maybe in your region, cause it sure as shit doesn't work here and hasn't for years.

Lack of staffing has made it so the area I live has NO coverage after 3 am, that there is shit for actual patrols in town (because they're off somewhere else), they do NOT like answering calls at all, and they don't like babysitting people in their cells so they usually have to send someone about 45 minutes away to the larger jail.

And they REALLY don't like having to stay in hospital when we get a Psych call, because we don't have a place or people to deal with such patients, and then having to transport said patients to the larger city hospital for their F-1 stay.

And that's not just in my area, but others in NB too. And NS from what I've heard.

Works well?

Ha, ha, ha.

The problems are caused by bleeding heart politicians that think addiction is a social problem, which it is not, and the solution is to hire more social workers to hand out free drugs. And drug dealers are entrepreneurs, which is sort of true, but not the kind that is welcome in most communities.

No, that's NOT the problem with RCMP policing but... keep going with that fantasy just so you can keep blaming anyone but the real reasons it's not working.

In this part of the country anyway, the majority of importers and dealers are not Canadian by birth and should be instantly deported or executed(their choice) instead of set free to reoffend. Then we can deal effectively with the addictions.

If someone is an immigrant and dealing drugs, yes, absolutely agree with kicking their ass back out of Canada.

That won't change the fact that RCMP policing is shitty policing for communities and needs to be done away with.
 
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Soooo…. Back about five months ago, Poilievre & the Conservative Party tried to initiate (on a confidence vote) a “Carbon Tax” election…& that was voted down by the Liberals, Bloc, & all (both) Green MP’s.
Here we are in Early September 2024, & parliament is still out on their Summer Break, & when they come back, they still don’t know what the schedule is going to be for dates in Parliament as to who gets to do what when, etc…but…
…but…Poilievre and the Conservative Party will again (fairly certain) initiate a confidence motion to have a “Carbon Tax” election. Today happens to be the day that Jagmeet Singh & his NDP/Liberals Walked away from (supposedly) their non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition supply & confidence agreement because they are so disappointed in the Liberal/NDP Party that they could only support them no matter what for 2 years & 5 months & a few weeks but no more ‘cuz stuff (!) & things!!
Will it be a repeat of the Liberal/NDP and NDP/Liberal and Bloc and all (both) Green MP’s voting with each other in lockstep against this?
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Justin Trudeau & the Liberals are so toxically scandal ridden than anyone that enters their orbit seems to crash & burn from the stench…from their own MP’s (especially the cabinet members) to WE & SCN-Lavatory & nobody (except those named Trudeau) are exempt from being thrown under the Liberal/NDP bus.
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I can see the NDP/Liberals & Liberal/NDP & of course all both of the Greens to be against this…but what about the Bloc? This might be their opportunity to scoop many ridings in Quebec that they don’t already carry…(?)…& not be associated with the stench of Liberal/NDP.
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Ah hell, they'll all vote against any Conservative policy because they know Conservative policies are far better for any democratic country that implements them. Look at Argentina how it's turning around. Hungry supports it's culture & its citizens thus the EU is against them & having fines implemented because Hungry refuses to accept immigrants who have no intention of assimilating into the Hungarian culture. This is what Western governments should be doing. Vetting those who want to LEGALLY come into any country & become its citizens by involving themselves into the various communities they will live in; this what every Western country should be aiming for.

We should not allow people who want to destroy the culture, refuse to accept the laws of the land, & destroy what has taken years & decades to build. I don't want anyone to come here if they can't live by our rules & regulations. They are free to enjoy our freedoms, not to destroy them. It's unconscionable what the current Administrations in Canada & the U.S. are in having all these immigrants crossing our borders without knowing why they're here, what they intend to do & to make sure they follow OUR rules & to not insist on implementing THEIR rules - rules which they're escaping from, because otherwise, why are they here? For nefarious reason? If they're not being vetted, how do we know?

Thousands of immigrants have come to Canada and made it their home. They pay their taxes, send their kids to "government" schools, do charitable work. The bonus is that many will help us fight against the stupidity of Trans individuals as well because they don't believe in this B.S. anymore than we do. Our children are our future & the garbage being done to them now means ruining many of those lives because they've been lied to by ADULTS who should know better. Suicides amongst our children are solely because we're confusing them. This never happened before so why are we doing this shit to them now?

Rant over!
 
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Ron in Regina

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By questioning the value of the carbon tax, Singh is breaking away from the Trudeau government’s mantra that it is the most economical and efficient way to reduce emissions and that the rebate system puts more money into the pockets of working people than they pay in carbon taxes, a view shared by most economists.

Singh was already drifting away from supporting Trudeau’s carbon tax before the NDP’s formal break-up with the Liberals earlier this month. In April, he appeared to question the wisdom of increasing the tax annually up to 2030.

The NDP leader appears to have concluded this argument doesn’t pass the smell test.
 

Ron in Regina

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10 years ago, yes, there was homelessness & drugs. Today there are homeless camps all over the place… city parks and vacant lots and yards of empty homes & so on and so forth like nothing I would’ve even dreamt of 10 years ago.
Around here, people were rumored to be bussed from Halifax to Moncton to not only 'clean Halifax up' but because Moncton is a growing city so why not throw everyone that way and see what happens.

Again, it's not just Trudeau and Singh that are the issue, they just didn't help matters.
Every police officer in Canada knows that laying a simple drug possession charge is a symbolic, hopeless endeavour because all federal Crown prosecutors, since 2020, have effectively been instructed to throw those charges directly into the trash. (A separate, more expansive decriminalization policy was later applied to B.C.)
…& are much much worse than anything we saw a decade back. I would like to use the term exponentially worse, but I do not want to be accused of exaggerating.
I know homelessness has been around, but it has grown to insane levels since 2015.
The Trudeau approach was a disaster for everyone, and their hands are bloodied because they helped put poison in the veins of addicts.
“The federal prosecutors will not prosecute drug charges,” he said. “So we can arrest, we can seize if we find them there with it, subject to all the normal arrest and seizure laws, and we can take it, but the charge is going nowhere.”
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Another officer chipped in: “The officers have been instructed that every time they see open-air drug use they are to arrest and search the individual and, if we can, take from them what it is that they seek to enjoy. … But to the chief’s point, the laying of the charges is almost not an option to us.”
 

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Maybe in your region, cause it sure as shit doesn't work here and hasn't for years.

Lack of staffing has made it so the area I live has NO coverage after 3 am, that there is shit for actual patrols in town (because they're off somewhere else), they do NOT like answering calls at all, and they don't like babysitting people in their cells so they usually have to send someone about 45 minutes away to the larger jail.

And they REALLY don't like having to stay in hospital when we get a Psych call, because we don't have a place or people to deal with such patients, and then having to transport said patients to the larger city hospital for their F-1 stay.

And that's not just in my area, but others in NB too. And NS from what I've heard.

Works well?

Ha, ha, ha.



No, that's NOT the problem with RCMP policing but... keep going with that fantasy just so you can keep blaming anyone but the real reasons it's not working.



If someone is an immigrant and dealing drugs, yes, absolutely agree with kicking their ass back out of Canada.

That won't change the fact that RCMP policing is shitty policing for communities and needs to be done away with.
So apparently you have no clue about how RCMP local policing works. To a large extent, they are contractors, which means they provide the type of service the municipality pays for. This is on top of their federally mandated work.
I can understand their not wanting to deal with psych patients or their doctors. I have had to do a few as a volunteer firefighter, because we were fastest response. WE lack training, and I bet the RCMP get more training than we do, that will not be nearly enough. Like us, it wasn't what the wanted in their job description.
 
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I wish we had a national police force. Having lived in countries that do, I find the consistency of standards and training far better than cops who are beholden for their jobs to local politicians or, sense and reason help us, some jack-off elected sheriff.
 

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I wish we had a national police force. Having lived in countries that do, I find the consistency of standards and training far better than cops who are beholden for their jobs to local politicians or, sense and reason help us, some jack-off elected sheriff.

That's what the RCMP used to be, now it's not so much and that's part of the problem.

So apparently you have no clue about how RCMP local policing works.

I'd say I've got a good damn clue, considering I know RCMP officers and also experience (on the medical side of things) a lot of the situations that they WON'T do jack shit for.

To a large extent, they are contractors, which means they provide the type of service the municipality pays for.

Yes, and for my local, they are NOT holding their end of the deal. That's a huge part of the issue.

This is on top of their federally mandated work.

Yes it is, which is why it should never have happened to begin with, IMO.

I can understand their not wanting to deal with psych patients or their doctors.

Not doctors, just psych patients. You know, the ones they have no issue going to pick up and who may not be that bad, but because of Healthcare in NB and all of Canada being shit, we don't have the staff to deal with psych patients at our smaller hospital. So if the RCMP brings them in, they have to stay. And they don't like it. Nevermind that they'd have to come back if/when the patient acts up again. That happens a lot...

I have had to do a few as a volunteer firefighter, because we were fastest response. WE lack training, and I bet the RCMP get more training than we do, that will not be nearly enough. Like us, it wasn't what the wanted in their job description.

I'm sure it's not, but it's now part of the job.

Again, maybe in your area it's not as bad, but in mine, it has become worse and worse and there's been calls for years for the town to get rid of them and go back to a local force. The RCMP have not been able to hold their end of the contract for a while now and it's time to just let them go.
 

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I wish we had a national police force. Having lived in countries that do, I find the consistency of standards and training far better than cops who are beholden for their jobs to local politicians or, sense and reason help us, some jack-off elected sheriff.
Something like the FBI Police to replace State Troopers?
 

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Nope. Something like the Bundespolizei or the Japanese Police Service. Or even the less-well-organized-but-still-better-than-us British police.
Constitutionally wouldn't it need to be a militia like RCMP to have federal and territorial policing powers that are limited by state's implied police powers?

In Canada we're just starting to sort out and better integrate RCMP with Provincial and Municipal and Tribal.

In Sask the "turf" lines are gone (except bylaw enforcement). It's only been that way for 2-3 years. Even the fish cops are equal to RCMP.

If that were sorted out first it could be implemented easily in US.
 

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I wish we had a national police force. Having lived in countries that do, I find the consistency of standards and training far better than cops who are beholden for their jobs to local politicians or, sense and reason help us, some jack-off elected sheriff.
Sounds like the FBI , how is that working ?
 

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Constitutionally wouldn't it need to be a militia like RCMP to have federal and territorial policing powers that are limited by state's implied police powers?

In Canada we're just starting to sort out and better integrate RCMP with Provincial and Municipal and Tribal.

In Sask the "turf" lines are gone (except bylaw enforcement). It's only been that way for 2-3 years. Even the fish cops are equal to RCMP.

If that were sorted out first it could be implemented easily in US.
A lot of things would have to change, but it's worth noting that Germany does it successfully. They too have national (Federal) laws and Lander (state or provincial) laws. I've never done a deep dive on it, but the same police force enforces both, though if one is arrested and charged, one goes to different courts depending on whether the crime is under Federal or provincial law.
 
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A lot of things would have to change, but it's worth noting that Germany does it successfully. They too have national (Federal) laws and Lander (state or provincial) laws. I've never done a deep dive on it, but the same police force enforces both, though if one is arrested and charged, one goes to different courts depending on whether the crime is under Federal or provincial law.
Like Canada. It depends on the crime(s). Justice of the Peace sets the ball in motion right at the cop shop deciding if remanded or bonded and setting a court date with either Provincial Court for Summary (Misdemeanor) charges or King's Bench for Indictable Canadian Criminal Code offences (Felony).
 
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I wish we had a national police force. Having lived in countries that do, I find the consistency of standards and training far better than cops who are beholden for their jobs to local politicians or, sense and reason help us, some jack-off elected sheriff.
There are benefits. Less corruption, for sure. Incompetence is an issue regardless of who issues the pay cheques. BC once had a provincial police force that got disbanded because of rampant corruption. This would have been about 90 years ago now. Which is how we got the RCMP for smaller cities and rural areas.
The main benefit that I see is the local RCMP detachment is not beholden to local politicians.
 

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Well, some are oil producing provinces, and those are bad, bad for everyone and everything, and those in the lead for being this kind of bad are Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland. See Chart in Post #6. That seems to be the biggest coincidence.

Other Provinces produce Food Crops that outdo their smaller populations so they export much of these crops. Maybe it’s an agricultural grains thing, and maybe it’s another coincidence.

Other Provinces have Conservative Governments, but that too might be another coincidence.

Some Provinces hit the Trifecta of the above, while others only hit two out of three. Interesting that AB, SK, & NL are the biggest baddies that need to be punished. I don’t know what the answer actually is…
Then in post #65 here on page 4….
The government is creating a carve-out for the carbon tax on home heating oil, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday.

The government will exempt home heating oil from the tax for three years, double the rural supplement in the rebate program and offer new programs Trudeau said will help rural Canadians switch to electric heat pumps….if they can afford them…& then what?

Exemption for three Years. It’s Oct 2023, so to October 2026 (not October 2025 when the next Federal Election will happen)…so how very transparent. While the exemption applies nationwide, Trudeau said the policy will help Atlantic Canada in particular. Thirty per cent of homeowners in the region still use furnace oil to heat their homes….& why Atlantic Canada? These are the 2021 Federal election results:
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And….and these are the current projections:
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Just last year, the Conservatives put forward a non-binding motion to remove the carbon tax from home heating fuel. Most Liberal MPs voted against it. Oh well.
The legal issue stems from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s decision to remove the carbon tax from furnace oil — a popular fuel source in parts of Atlantic Canada.

When the Supreme Court okayed Trudeau’s carbon tax, it was because the government argued a national problem needs a national solution.

The court ruled Ottawa could set minimum national standards for emissions reductions under the Constitution’s peace, order and good government clause: “The proposed matter of establishing minimum national standards of GHG price stringency to reduce GHG emissions is of clear concern to Canada as a whole,” the court wrote.

The court went on to note that “the withdrawal of one province from the scheme would clearly threaten its success.”

The Trudeau government applauded the decision, with then-Environment Minister Catherine McKenna proclaiming the carbon tax “an issue of national concern.”

The government’s argument was climate change is a national concern, and the national solution is an evenly applied carbon tax. This is the legal rationale the court accepted. But Trudeau torpedoed that argument by creating a carve-out that mostly benefits one part of the country.
“The highest PROPORTION of people with home heating oil across the country are in Atlantic Canada and that’s why it hit them particularly hard,” Trudeau said….oh, like measuring carbon footprint, based on population, and not landmass, to get the answer wanted politically?? That kind of proportion?? He didn’t want to touch the fact that his party currently holds 24 of 32 seats in Atlantic Canada and is about to face a wipe out over this issue.
The above was in October of 2023, & it’s now October of 2024.
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“Unlike the rest of Canada, fuel oil makes up a large share of residential heating energy in Nova Scotia at 32 per cent,” according to the government of Nova Scotia. “Only Prince Edward Island depends more heavily on fuel oil for residential heating.”

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On CTV’s Question Period on Sunday, federal Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings said if Western Canadians and Prairie premiers would like carve-outs in the federal government’s carbon tax similar to the carve-outs given to Atlantic Canadians on Thursday, then Westerners should elect more Liberal MPs.
In fact, there are so few homes using furnace oil in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba that data for those provinces in the report is listed as “n/a.”

If climate change is a national emergency requiring national coordination, why are some families allowed to escape the full brunt of the tax while others are not?

By providing a break to specific regions, Trudeau undermined the constitutional justification that allowed the carbon tax to exist in the first place.
Only weeks before Trudeau removed the carbon tax from furnace oil, Ken McDonald — a Liberal MP from Atlantic Canada — voted to “repeal all carbon taxes.”

“Everywhere I go people come up to me and say, ‘You know, we’re losing faith in the Liberal Party,” McDonald told CBC. “Seniors who live alone tell me they go around their house in the spring and winter time with a blanket wrapped around them because they can’t afford the home heating fuel.”

Trudeau then announced his carbon tax carve-out surrounded by Atlantic Liberal MPs. He credited those “amazing” MPs as the reason folks in that region got relief.

Others extended that logic.
Etc….Last time I checked, Trudeau is prime minister to all Canadians, whether we like it, or not, and not just to Liberal-rich regions!
“Perhaps they need to elect more Liberals,” said Gudie Hutchings, Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, when asked why most Canadians weren’t getting relief.

Justice Malcolm Rowe foresaw this issue in his dissent in the original Supreme Court decision. He wrote, “regulations that have the effect of favouring or imposing unequal burdens on certain provinces and industries in a manner that cannot be justified,” would be unconstitutional.
OK, it's a dumb tax. Fiercely unpopular and should be repealed and replaced.

However, I'll give Canada some credit for at least paying lip service to the idea of holding down its deficit, and dreaming of paying off its debt.

We aren't even talking about that anymore.
Why pay when you plan on defaulting anyway?
Rowe’s concern is more relevant than ever. Trudeau’s carve-out disrupts the uniformity that made the carbon tax constitutional.
so...
the budget will balance itself right out of existence then, is what your saying?
lol
at which point it will be every man for himself, I suppose.
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These huge economic costs come with little to no actual environmental benefit. Even if Canada shut down its entire oil and gas sector by 2030, thus eliminating all GHG emissions from the sector, the resulting reduction would equal four-tenths of 1% of global emissions, which would have an undetectable impact on the climate. Meanwhile, as demand for fossil fuels continues to increase, constraining oil and gas production and exports in Canada merely shifts production to other countries, which have lower environmental and human rights standards such as Iran, Russia and Venezuela.

The Trudeau government’s climate change regulations are imposing huge costs on Albertans with little to no actual environmental benefit. While support for some of these policies — particularly the consumer carbon tax — is waning, federal policymakers should seriously rethink numerous other regulations.
 
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