Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

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It would be much cheaper to sentence the same arseholes to two weeks at an all-inclusive Mexican resort & hope they end up in a Mexican prison…then it would be to ship them to Nunavut for two weeks of boot camp.

I have never served the Canadian Armed Forces, but I get it, have nothing but respect for those that have, & conscripted criminals are not what’s needed for improving the Canadian military, and basic training as a replacement for involuntary drug rehabilitation is beyond expensive for those that won’t take it seriously.
Okay let’s keep them on the street at Hastings and Main with needles hanging out of their arms .
 

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It would be much cheaper to sentence the same arseholes to two weeks at an all-inclusive Mexican resort & hope they end up in a Mexican prison…then it would be to ship them to Nunavut for two weeks of boot camp.

I have never served the Canadian Armed Forces, but I get it, have nothing but respect for those that have, & conscripted criminals are not what’s needed for improving the Canadian military, and basic training as a replacement for involuntary drug rehabilitation is beyond expensive for those that won’t take it seriously.
That said, I fully approve of the judge saying "Kid, I'll give you a choice. Three years in prison or four in the Army." The ones who pick the Army have a decent chance of being redeemable.
 

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The fact is that when Anita Anand took over, they came into the CAF, stripped the military (every ground Unit) of a large portion of their serviceable equipment, and then proceeded to lay out the Trudeau government's woke agenda. That has included the discipline free (here are my pronouns bullshit.)

I'm sorry, but nobody who claims to have gender dysphoria should be allowed to enter the armed forces until they have dealt with both their physical and psychological problems. And it's got nothing to do with hating on the Queer Community and everything to do with being an administrative burden and failing to meet the standard of a universal soldier. We need a functional military, not a dysfunctional civil service with guns, and that is what we have, and very few bullets.

In the 90s, our equipment was in horrible shape. Chretien bought us new uniforms while soldiers were wearing Vietnam-era body armor in the Medak Pocket and all over Yugoslavia. I knew a WO who was shot and still has the bullet in his spine. I'm glad we had those new tans.

In 2024, the liberals gave everyone rainbow crosswalks. I'm surprised that they haven't made a regimental brigade badge. Then after cannibalizing those units, they said, "By the way, here's a billion-dollar budget cut, suckers."

If there's a war tomorrow, we are not ready. Next year? Still not ready.
A military is not a social studies project.
The CAF primary function is defense, and the liberals have made that near impossible.
The commanders aren't allowed to say it.
But they are worried.
Many are pulling the pin.

Pollievre has his work cut out for him.
 
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I went through boot camp in 1986 with a guy trying to start a new life. When he got his first leave, he killed three guys from his past.
 

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The fact is that when Anita Anand took over, they came into the CAF, stripped the military (every ground Unit) of a large portion of their serviceable equipment, and then proceeded to lay out the Trudeau government's woke agenda. That has included the discipline free (here are my pronouns bullshit.)

I'm sorry, but nobody who claims to have gender dysphoria should be allowed to enter the armed forces until they have dealt with both their physical and psychological problems. And it's got nothing to do with hating on the Queer Community and everything to do with being an administrative burden and failing to meet the standard of a universal soldier. We need a functional military, not a dysfunctional civil service with guns, and that is what we have, and very few bullets.

In the 90s, our equipment was in horrible shape. Chretien bought us new uniforms while soldiers were wearing Vietnam-era body armor in the Medak Pocket and all over Yugoslavia. I knew a WO who was shot and still has the bullet in his spine. I'm glad we had those new tans.

In 2024, the liberals gave everyone rainbow crosswalks. I'm surprised that they haven't made a regimental brigade badge. Then after cannibalizing those units, they said, "By the way, here's a billion-dollar budget cut, suckers."

If there's a war tomorrow, we are not ready. Next year? Still not ready.
A military is not a social studies project.
The CAF primary function is defense, and the liberals have made that near impossible.
The commanders aren't allowed to say it.
But they are worried.
Many are pulling the pin.

Pollievre has his work cut out for him.

So the trans person that is in the military who came in for med care a few months ago at the place I work at, shouldn't have been in and they should be kicked out?

Then you don't get to bitch about the 'status' of the Military.

If someone wants to serve, then regardless of sex or gender, they shouldn't be blocked from serving.

Considering the number of trans people in Canada and how many of them might even be in the military, you're talking a small as fuck number as it is. Your being butthurt over that small a number also disproves your "It's all about the universal soldier".

And if bigots and haters are pulling the pin, GOOD, because they are a danger to the forces more than trans people are.

No, the military is NOT ready for any kind of conflict, and it has NOTHING to do with trans people so just grow the hell up and focus on the REAL issues for once.

Eqipment.
Pay and retention.
Respect.
Piss Poor Leadership at the top of Government giving a damn.

And PP wouldn't improve anything at ALL and you're an idiot if you think he could/can.
 

Serryah

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This about covers the drug issue.

Safe Injection Stopped.

Safe Injection - in concept - is a good idea. Of course in practice it sucks because as usual, the money and people aren't there. So stop it until the funding is there.

Funding for Rehabilitation that doesn't have a six-week waiting list.

Good luck on that. Rehab doesn't work unless the person wants it to work and is ready for it to work. Funding won't change a person's rehab experience if they are there and don't want to be.

Mandatory minimums for trafficking drugs.

Cause that works SO WELL in the US.

Mandatory minimums for murder.

Cause... that's not the law now?

No bail for violent offenders.

That I can agree with - not just drugs but of any kind.

We need a path to recovery, not a ghetto built for consumption.

Sure, but you have to have a reasonable and workable path first.

Your suggestions aren't what you think they are. And they're pretty much the same ol' bullshit that the US has parroted... and look how it's "helped" them?

And before you bring it up, my suggestions would be more:

Push more funding into safe injection sites so they are opened 24/7 and manned properly, including security. With the caveat that anyone found NOT using a safe injection site is jailed for 30 days minimum to 'dry out'. Second offence of not going to a site puts one in six months. And that every site HAS to have a way to help people who are tired of the ride and want off, and transport to any facility is provided right then, so there's no time to think/second guess the choice.

Since you can't force people into Rehab, the only thing to do is make them appeal more to people who do want to get off drugs and hope word of mouth makes them more inviting to go. So not just funding but actually something to draw people to it.

If you traffic drugs you've a choice - an X amount of time of public service where you are 'paid', but half to 3/4 of that pay goes to fund local rehab places and safe injection sites and you are confined to 'jail' when not out doing public service, or you get an X amount of time in jail and that time in jail depends on what you were dealing, who you've dealt to and if anyone did any harm while under the influence of drugs you sold to them.

If you re-offend after getting out, minimum of X jail time after that.

A chance of REDUCED time if you actually become part of a rehab plan or mentor program of how to avoid drugs, get off them, keep kids from them.

But the BIGGEST thing that needs to be done is more fucking police. And stop this idea that the RCMP are all a community or province needs for policing. Because that is the WORST idea and never should have happened to begin with. So more funding into having local police in communities, especially those experiencing a rise in drug related problems (and yes, biased on this right now since this is happening in my town currently).
 

Ron in Regina

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Push more funding into safe injection sites so they are opened 24/7 and manned properly, including security. With the caveat that anyone found NOT using a safe injection site is jailed for 30 days minimum to 'dry out'. Second offence of not going to a site puts one in six months. And that every site HAS to have a way to help people who are tired of the ride and want off, and transport to any facility is provided right then, so there's no time to think/second guess the choice.

Since you can't force people into Rehab, the only thing to do is make them appeal more to people who do want to get off drugs and hope word of mouth makes them more inviting to go. So not just funding but actually something to draw people to it.

If you traffic drugs you've a choice - an X amount of time of public service where you are 'paid', but half to 3/4 of that pay goes to fund local rehab places and safe injection sites and you are confined to 'jail' when not out doing public service, or you get an X amount of time in jail and that time in jail depends on what you were dealing, who you've dealt to and if anyone did any harm while under the influence of drugs you sold to them.

If you re-offend after getting out, minimum of X jail time after that.

A chance of REDUCED time if you actually become part of a rehab plan or mentor program of how to avoid drugs, get off them, keep kids from them.

But the BIGGEST thing that needs to be done is more fucking police. And stop this idea that the RCMP are all a community or province needs for policing. Because that is the WORST idea and never should have happened to begin with. So more funding into having local police in communities, especially those experiencing a rise in drug related problems (and yes, biased on this right now since this is happening in my town currently).
I really like this chunk here!!! I can picture eventually large cost savings, & human savings.
 
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Safe Injection - in concept - is a good idea. Of course in practice it sucks because as usual, the money and people aren't there. So stop it until the funding is there.



Good luck on that. Rehab doesn't work unless the person wants it to work and is ready for it to work. Funding won't change a person's rehab experience if they are there and don't want to be.



Cause that works SO WELL in the US.



Cause... that's not the law now?



That I can agree with - not just drugs but of any kind.



Sure, but you have to have a reasonable and workable path first.

Your suggestions aren't what you think they are. And they're pretty much the same ol' bullshit that the US has parroted... and look how it's "helped" them?

And before you bring it up, my suggestions would be more:

Push more funding into safe injection sites so they are opened 24/7 and manned properly, including security. With the caveat that anyone found NOT using a safe injection site is jailed for 30 days minimum to 'dry out'. Second offence of not going to a site puts one in six months. And that every site HAS to have a way to help people who are tired of the ride and want off, and transport to any facility is provided right then, so there's no time to think/second guess the choice.

Since you can't force people into Rehab, the only thing to do is make them appeal more to people who do want to get off drugs and hope word of mouth makes them more inviting to go. So not just funding but actually something to draw people to it.

If you traffic drugs you've a choice - an X amount of time of public service where you are 'paid', but half to 3/4 of that pay goes to fund local rehab places and safe injection sites and you are confined to 'jail' when not out doing public service, or you get an X amount of time in jail and that time in jail depends on what you were dealing, who you've dealt to and if anyone did any harm while under the influence of drugs you sold to them.

If you re-offend after getting out, minimum of X jail time after that.

A chance of REDUCED time if you actually become part of a rehab plan or mentor program of how to avoid drugs, get off them, keep kids from them.

But the BIGGEST thing that needs to be done is more fucking police. And stop this idea that the RCMP are all a community or province needs for policing. Because that is the WORST idea and never should have happened to begin with. So more funding into having local police in communities, especially those experiencing a rise in drug related problems (and yes, biased on this right now since this is happening in my town currently).
I don't have it in me to do a line-by-line, so here it is.
We tried it their way, but it didn't work; it worsened matters.
It's time to stop making more addicts.

Or we could just shoot the dealers. :)
Be cheaper and far more effective.
 
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I don't have it in me to do a line-by-line, so here it is.
We tried it their way, but it didn't work; it worsened matters.
It's time to stop making more addicts.

And we've tried it your way, that doesn't work either.

Want to stop more addicts? Learn to fly; that's more likely than to stop making more addicts.

Because what it would take isn't just murdering the dealers, it'd take a LOT more than that, that in reality, you would never go for.
 

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The easiest thing to do is reopen mental hospitals. Bleeding hearts put them on the streets expecting bleeding hearts to get them off is preposterous. As it stands they can be forced into rehab "harm to self, harm to others" in the mental health act.

Personally Id cut off all services that enable the user and that facilitate the dealer.
 

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And we've tried it your way, that doesn't work either.
My way hasn't been tried.
There are no services to help these people.
Want to stop more addicts? Learn to fly; that's more likely than to stop making more addicts.

Because what it would take isn't just murdering the dealers, it'd take a LOT more than that, that in reality, you would never go for.
A lot more?
That's a pretty vague solution.
The present system throws its hands up and says, "Here's your free drugs. Don't forget to quit."
The government has become a drug dealer.
 

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My way hasn't been tried.
There are no services to help these people.

A lot more?
That's a pretty vague solution.
The present system throws its hands up and says, "Here's your free drugs. Don't forget to quit."
The government has become a drug dealer.
Well, no. "Dealer" implies selling. The government has become a drug donor.