Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

So fix that shit. What's Pete's plan, if any?

Don't get me wrong, I support (for what it's worth, that and $CA 4.00'll get you a (small) cup of coffee and one Timbit), Pete, simply on the basis of "We've seen what True Dope can and will do, and we're less than wowed." But I'd feel better if he was more than "not True Dope."

He's advocating for change and says he'll do it, so I and most Canadians think we need to give him a shot.
It's time for significant changes.

Almost every Canadian I've met is sick of having the government and its oppressive minority groups shoving their ideologies down our throats.

 

[petros]

He's advocating for change and says he'll do it, so I and most Canadians think we need to give him a shot.
It's time for significant changes.

Almost every Canadian I've met is sick of having the government and its oppressive minority groups shoving their ideologies down our throats.

Most of these ideologies were are already put to bed. Now a bunch of morons with faces full of fishing tackle, cat eye glasses, blue hair, toques and IPA are digging it all up again. For what?

 

[pgs]

He's going to get rid of a lot of stupid policies.

Where did I say homelessness is nothing to worry about?


He didn't create this mess. Trudeau did, along with Singh in the last few years.

My family went through almost a decade of drug addiction, so I think I can speak with a bit of authority on this issue. The only thing harder than being an addict is being the parent of an addict. We need extreme measures; I am not seriously advocating going into the streets and gunning down dealers. Although, it would be very effective. Maybe like when they do a cull in hunting. One scumbag=$15.00. LOL

Seriously, the revolving bail door and free drugs for dealers to sell to addicts don't seem to be working. I think mandatory minimums might help, but Liberals think differently.

They just arrested a guy transporting fentanyl through the Shuswap a hundred or so pounds the judge let him off due to illegal search or some b.s.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

He's advocating for change and says he'll do it, so I and most Canadians think we need to give him a shot.
It's time for significant changes.

Almost every Canadian I've met is sick of having the government and its oppressive minority groups shoving their ideologies down our throats.

Ah, change. Yep, that's a sound, meticulously researched, carefully crafted policy.

He's got my vote!

 

[Serryah]

He's going to get rid of a lot of stupid policies.

Stupid in whose opinion?

Where did I say homelessness is nothing to worry about?

I should have clarified - I meant clueless on the opposite end of those who think it's not anything to worry about. It's not all just because of drugs and it IS also got to do a lot with the lack of affordable housing. And a lot more than that.

He didn't create this mess. Trudeau did, along with Singh in the last few years.

Trudeau AND Singh didn't help matters, but the issues of homelessness and drugs have been going on for decades.

My family went through almost a decade of drug addiction, so I think I can speak with a bit of authority on this issue.

Okay, shoot.

The only thing harder than being an addict is being the parent of an addict.

Having seen the effects of it on the medical side, absolutely yes.

We need extreme measures;

Agreed - what measures do you think we need?

Seriously, the revolving bail door and free drugs for dealers to sell to addicts don't seem to be working. I think mandatory minimums might help, but Liberals think differently.

I agree with that too - as in dealers being held for mandatory minimums. But there's a lot more needing to be done.

Like more mental health help.

More addiction help.

More help for families.

I know a Paramedic who is now such a bad addict due to SERIOUS trauma she had on the job she no longer works and tries to take her life at least once a year.

There was a person I knew who was so addicted to pain killers she was literally killing herself with the damage done to her body, and she eventually did die.

Part of the issue is lack of police doing SFA. My town never used to have the serious drugs in it as it does now, and a couple years ago people were killed over that stuff, homes burned, etc.

The current Libs are just another Government in a long line of them who did not give a damn for helping people, rather they made token 'attempts' and that's all.

The BIGGEST issue is the addict themselves; you CANNOT force an addict to go into help, it won't work and that is repeated time and time and time again. But you know this too.

And while drug addicts are a larger part of the homeless population, they are not the only people out there and homelessness is more complicated than I think most people get.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Trudeau AND Singh didn't help matters, but the issues of homelessness and drugs have been going on for decades.

…& are much much worse than anything we saw a decade back. I would like to use the term exponentially worse, but I do not want to be accused of exaggerating.

10 years ago, yes, there was homelessness & drugs. Today there are homeless camps all over the place… city parks and vacant lots and yards of empty homes & so on and so forth like nothing I would’ve even dreamt of 10 years ago.

 

[Serryah]

…& are much much worse than anything we saw a decade back. I would like to use the term exponentially worse, but I do not want to be accused of exaggerating.

10 years ago, yes, there was homelessness & drugs. Today there are homeless camps all over the place… city parks and vacant lots and yards of empty homes & so on and so forth like nothing I would’ve even dreamt of 10 years ago.

Yeah, there is more now than ever before, for a lot of reasons.

Around here, people were rumored to be bussed from Halifax to Moncton to not only 'clean Halifax up' but because Moncton is a growing city so why not throw everyone that way and see what happens.

Again, it's not just Trudeau and Singh that are the issue, they just didn't help matters.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yeah, there is more now than ever before, for a lot of reasons.

Around here, people were rumored to be bussed from Halifax to Moncton to not only 'clean Halifax up' but because Moncton is a growing city so why not throw everyone that way and see what happens.

Again, it's not just Trudeau and Singh that are the issue, they just didn't help matters

I know homelessness has been around, but it has grown to insane levels since 2015.
The Trudeau approach was a disaster for everyone, and their hands are bloodied because they helped put poison in the veins of addicts.

 

[Serryah]

I know homelessness has been around, but it has grown to insane levels since 2015.
The Trudeau approach was a disaster for everyone, and their hands are bloodied because they helped put poison in the veins of addicts.

They helped, on that I won't disagree.

What do you suggest is the answer then?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Yeah, there is more now than ever before, for a lot of reasons.

Around here, people were rumored to be bussed from Halifax to Moncton to not only 'clean Halifax up' but because Moncton is a growing city so why not throw everyone that way and see what happens.

Again, it's not just Trudeau and Singh that are the issue, they just didn't help matters.

No, it’s not just… but it has sure contributed to it.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

…& are much much worse than anything we saw a decade back. I would like to use the term exponentially worse, but I do not want to be accused of exaggerating.

10 years ago, yes, there was homelessness & drugs. Today there are homeless camps all over the place… city parks and vacant lots and yards of empty homes & so on and so forth like nothing I would’ve even dreamt of 10 years ago.

So what's the solution? Go back to whatever measures y'all used to control the spread of homelessness and drug addiction back when, or come up with new notions, or both? If so, what new notions?

I got some, but they're probably too liberal for folks here.

 

[Ron in Regina]

So what's the solution? Go back to whatever measures y'all used to control the spread of homelessness and drug addiction back when, or come up with new notions, or both? If so, what new notions?

I got some, but they're probably too liberal for folks here.So what's the solution? Go back to whatever measures y'all used to control the spread of homelessness and drug addiction back when, or come up with new notions, or both? If so, what new notions?

I got some, but they're probably too liberal for folks here.

I’m all ears!! I don’t think the free/safe drug hardware given out by the handfuls (needles specifically) are working like intended. Perhaps a “bring in the dirty one and get a clean one” policy would help instead of giving them away by the handful or box. At least here there’s enough of them laying around but if a junkie didn’t have one, they could find one in a few minutes (I see that orange colour for a ways back myself, & that’s just the inch that’s orange).

Maybe the government subsidized and normalized consumption of heroin and meth and fentanyl with storefronts selling all of the above needs to go away, or at least away from playgrounds and parks and schools and daycares, etc….& how much of that shit in AB-MB is coming from B.C. from gov’t sanctioned outlets through organized crime & into the next next couple provinces (or into the bordering US States)?

Many of the junkies, I see anyway, are unemployable. Literally unemployable, even when not psychotic or in a trance, etc…so more actual rehab as opposed to encouraging its normality.

Then the homelessness. If we were not bringing in over 1 million people per year into the country…then perhaps the housing market can catch up & there would be somewhere for the homeless to be? Maybe “controlled” growth through immigration?

Then for those encouraging (participating in) the sale of heroin & methamphetamines & fentanyl & such…harsh penalties, get the government out of that market.

The junkies are screwed. Unless they’re robbing/assaulting/threatening/etc…someone else, encourage rehab or leave them alone…but go after the dealers including the gov’t ones to shut that shit down.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

They helped, on that I won't disagree.

What do you suggest is the answer then?

This about covers the drug issue.

Safe Injection Stopped.
Funding for Rehabilitation that doesn't have a six-week waiting list.
Mandatory minimums for trafficking drugs.
Mandatory minimums for murder.
No bail for violent offenders.


We need a path to recovery, not a ghetto built for consumption.

 

[pgs]

This about covers the drug issue.

Safe Injection Stopped.
Funding for Rehabilitation that doesn't have a six-week waiting list.
Mandatory minimums for trafficking drugs.
Mandatory minimums for murder.
No bail for violent offenders.


We need a path to recovery, not a ghetto built for consumption.

I say mandatory enlistment in the forces with the first two week introduction to boot camp in Nunavut. After that drying out period the choice is prison or enlistment . Some might even recover and become productive citizens.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I say mandatory enlistment in the forces with the first two week introduction to boot camp in Nunavut. After that drying out period the choice is prison or enlistment . Some might even recover and become productive citizens.

Forced conscription does not make for good candidates for our military. Training is expensive, & a waste for those that aren’t committed.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I say mandatory enlistment in the forces with the first two week introduction to boot camp in Nunavut. After that drying out period the choice is prison or enlistment . Some might even recover and become productive citizens.

No. The CAF is a fucking disaster, and that would just fuck them up worse. We need to rebuild our military and kick the woke nonsense right out the fucking door.

 

[pgs]

Forced conscription does not make for good candidates for our military. Training is expensive, & a waste for those that aren’t committed.

Yes but paying through the nose to look after these people is not working . Remember the British press gangs ruled the waves .

 

[pgs]

No. The CAF is a fucking disaster, and that would just fuck them up worse. We need to rebuild our military and kick the woke nonsense right out the fucking door.

Yes that is why the first two weeks of drying out is in Nunavut .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No. The CAF is a fucking disaster, and that would just fuck them up worse. We need to rebuild our military and kick the woke nonsense right out the fucking door.

Yep, sounds like the two members who actually served agree. Conscription had its day. It's over.

80% of the U.S. Army is not in combat-arms specialties. The only thing conscription was ever good for was filling the ranks of biological rifle transportation systems.

Draftees make poor technicians. And these days, even a basic rifleman is more highly trained than a technical specialist in WWII.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Yes but paying through the nose to look after these people is not working . Remember the British press gangs ruled the waves .

It would be much cheaper to sentence the same arseholes to two weeks at an all-inclusive Mexican resort & hope they end up in a Mexican prison…then it would be to ship them to Nunavut for two weeks of boot camp.

Yep, sounds like the two members who actually served agree. Conscription had its day. It's over.

I have never served the Canadian Armed Forces, but I get it, have nothing but respect for those that have, & conscripted criminals are not what’s needed for improving the Canadian military, and basic training as a replacement for involuntary drug rehabilitation is beyond expensive for those that won’t take it seriously.