Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

Taxslave2

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I guess it’s not just seven Premiers asking for this tax to be removed now. BC and Quebec are asking for it yet though.
BC has its own carbon scam tax and a Premier that thinks it is a good idea. We also have a Provincial election coming mid-October. It will be an election issue.
 
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"Eight out of 10 families across the country in federal backstop jurisdictions make more money with the Canada Carbon Rebate than it costs with the price on pollution." --Justin Lying Fucking Trudeau

Watching the Prime Minister discuss this tax and its benefits for Canadians is like watching the Reverend Jim Jones explain how to make the perfect cup of Koolaid that will get you into paradise.
 
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"Eight out of 10 families across the country in federal backstop jurisdictions make more money with the Canada Carbon Rebate than it costs with the price on pollution." --Justin Lying Fucking Trudeau
Watching the Prime Minister discuss this tax and its benefits for Canadians is like watching the Reverend Jim Jones explain how to make the perfect cup of Koolaid that will get you into paradise.
Now below is a copy&paste of a comment below the above Quick Dic video:

All defenders of Carbon Tax only ever look at the price of gasoline and ignore all other forms of fuel including home heating. They ignore the HST/GST on the tax, they ignore the second carbon tax that has no rebate, they ignore the rise in price of everything they buy and everything they do. They ignore reality.

Is it wrong?
 

Ron in Regina

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The more Prime Minister Justin Trudeau defends his climate change plan, the more incoherent he sounds.

On the one hand, Trudeau insists his carbon tax, which went up by 23% on Monday to $80 per tonne of industrial greenhouse gas emissions from $65 per tonne, on its way to $170 per tonne in 2030, is the most efficient way to reduce emissions linked to climate change.

But on the other, he says his carbon tax — meaning the federal fuel charge, which raised the cost of gasoline, natural gas and 20 other forms of fossil fuel energy on Monday, plus the output-based pricing system for large emitters — will only account for one-third of Canada’s planned emission cuts in 2030.

That means Trudeau is leaving two-thirds of the job of cutting emissions to new government regulations and public subsides that he himself has described as “the heavy hand of government” as opposed to his “market-based” carbon tax, which he prefers.
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But if he believes that, why has his government also introduced “clean fuel” and “clean electricity” regulations, a “Regulatory Framework for an Oil and Gas Sector Greenhouse Gas Emissions Cap” and “regulated targets for zero-emission vehicles” under “Canada’s Electric Vehicle Availability Standard”?

As for public subsidies, Trudeau has already launched Canadian taxpayers into a multi-billion-dollar public subsidy war with the U.S. to attract EV battery plants to Canada.
Indeed, the total price of Trudeau’s climate change plans, so far, is over $200 billion, spent on more than 100 government programs.

Steve Ambler, professor emeritus of economics at the University of Quebec in Montreal, wrote recently in The Hub, that while economists generally agree a carbon tax is the most efficient way to reduce emissions, Trudeau is undermining its effectiveness.

“If the goal is to efficiently reduce emissions, the carbon tax should be used alone,” Ambler wrote. “Piling on other taxes, subsidies, regulations, and controls increases the cost of cutting emissions because they introduce distortions into the operation of markets.”

In addition, since emissions are a global problem Canada cannot solve alone, Ambler says Trudeau should “pause increases in the carbon tax permanently and have a serious discussion about eliminating the hodgepodge of rules and regulations that are harming the efficiency and competitiveness of the Canadian economy.”
 
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From the beginning, whenever opponents criticized the carbon tax as a cash grab, the consistent answer from the Trudeau government was that any affordability concerns with the tax had been addressed via rebates. While Canadians would indeed be paying more for petroleum, it wasn’t a drain on household income since most Canadians would actually see a net benefit when their Canadian Carbon Rebate came due.

But last year, this whole argument was detonated when the Trudeau government made a public concession to the claim that carbon taxes actually were hammering the ability of Canadians to pay the bills. In October, a coalition of dissident Liberal MPs in Atlantic Canada began claiming that the carbon tax was making it difficult for constituents to afford groceries or heat their homes.
Trudeau didn’t respond by saying that the constituents would be fine once they received their rebates. Rather, he acceded to the dissidents claims on affordability by approving a carbon tax exemption on home heating oil.
 

Ron in Regina

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That’s about $5.55USD/USG for perspective.

US Retail Gas Price is at a current level of 3.636, down from 3.639 last week and up from 3.533 one year ago. This is a change of -0.08% from last week and 2.92% from one year ago.
That’s only just over 50% more than the US average. Ugh…
 
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That’s about $5.55USD/USG for perspective.

US Retail Gas Price is at a current level of 3.636, down from 3.639 last week and up from 3.533 one year ago. This is a change of -0.08% from last week and 2.92% from one year ago.
That’s only just over 50% more than the US average. Ugh…
$1.40 CAD Litre

Remove carbon tax from our $1.57L and we're at par.
 
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Vancouver now has the distinction of having the highest gas prices in North America.
The scarry part is that there are people that are proud of that.
 

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The federal New Democrats no longer believe a consumer carbon price is necessary to fight climate change, Jagmeet Singh suggested Thursday.

The new position, which appears to break with the NDP/Liberal’s previous support for the policy, was outlined in a speech Singh delivered at the Broadbent Institute's annual policy conference in Ottawa on Thursday. In it, he distanced his party from the federal Liberal/NDP’s flagship climate policy, which has drawn criticism from across the country as the levy and its accompanying rebates increased this April.
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Referring to a March report that concluded industrial carbon pricing systems were far more effective than the consumer levy on fuel, Singh told reporters that the New Democrats "want more attention on the policies that are the biggest drivers of lowering emissions," such as the industrial price on pollution and methane regulations. He said the NDP/Liberals would release its own climate plan.
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But the Liberal/NDP welcome what they see as the NDP/Liberals potentially taking a weaker stance on climate action, the official said, believing it would present a political contrast between the two (?) in the next election campaign.
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A senior government official, speaking on a background-only basis, said Singh's backpedalling does not jeopardize the supply and confidence agreement by which the NDP/Liberals has propped up the minority Liberal/NDP government. Phew!!
 

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…A senior government official, speaking on a background-only basis, said Singh's backpedalling does not jeopardize the supply and confidence agreement by which the NDP/Liberals has propped up the minority Liberal/NDP government. Phew!!
More sidepedalling if such a thing exists?

The federal leader of the New Democrats spent Monday insisting his party's position on carbon pricing remains unchanged.

But Jagmeet Singh refused to say explicitly whether he supports the consumer levy, and Canadians having to pay it on everyday items like gasoline?

"Our position is not changed — at all," he told reporters??

"We absolutely support a price on pollution. We've always supported it." (???)

Singh faced reporters for the first time since a speech last week at the annual Progress Summit, where he created confusion about the NDP position on the federal consumer levy on fuel.

In the address, Singh sang the praises of "affordable, low-carbon options" and vowed to "not punish people" who can't change how they heat their homes or get to work….so ok?

He later said the New Democrats would be putting forward a vision to tackle climate change that would emphasize initiatives with the most impact, such as methane regulations and a carbon price on industrial emitters…..so ok?

"Make those even stricter, make those even stronger, look at other ways for us to really take on big polluters," Singh told reporters last Thursday??

"We don't want working people to feel like they're shouldering the burden. That's not fair. And frankly, not a New Democrat solution to the problem." (???)

This is followed by more evasive word salad, not really saying anything at all.
Trudeau noted that Singh is facing "political pressure" from conservative premiers and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who want to scrap the policy.
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Poilievre has indeed been travelling the country, including to NDP strongholds across British Columbia and northern Ontario, to rally supporters around his "axe the tax" message.
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Public opinion polls show both the NDP and Liberals are bleeding support to the Conservatives as Poilievre champions affordability as his main issue, painting the supply-and-confidence agreement they entered into in March 2022 as a "costly coalition."
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Singh then released a statement insisting it supports the "consumer carbon price."

But when asked Monday to clarify whether he maintains that position himself, Singh would only say the party's voting record makes clear that it supports "a price on pollution," not specifying whether that includes a levy paid by consumers despite multiple questions to that effect???

"We absolutely support a price on pollution. We have not changed our position on that," he said. (?)

"We need to make sure we fight the climate crisis with everything we have, but the Liberals are eroding that trust by not supporting working-class people," Singh added.

He accused the Liberal government of continuing to provide subsides to oil and gas companies without providing supports to working-class families.

Singh had earlier chided Trudeau's move to exempt home heating oil from the carbon price for three years, calling it a divisive decision. (?? I agree on this but really Jagnutz? You supported Trudeau in that)

Nearly one in three households in Atlantic Canada relies on home heating oil, and the carve-out to the government's signature climate policy came after Liberal MPs in the region raised concerns about the rising cost of living….which was visibly blatant to anybody with an IQ over 70.

Trudeau and Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault have ruled out making any further exceptions…then they quietly gave the northern territories an exemption on heating with diesel fuel, which is pretty much what they’ve got to use that they import from the south…but Shhhhhhh…

That's despite demands from Western premiers, like Saskatchewan's Scott Moe, who say households that use natural gas should get the same break.

Moe is among a majority of provincial leaders, including lone Liberal Premier Andrew Furey of Newfoundland and Labrador, who are asking Trudeau to convene a meeting to discuss alternatives to the consumer carbon price, etc…
 

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More sidepedalling if such a thing exists?

The federal leader of the New Democrats spent Monday insisting his party's position on carbon pricing remains unchanged.

But Jagmeet Singh refused to say explicitly whether he supports the consumer levy, and Canadians having to pay it on everyday items like gasoline?

"Our position is not changed — at all," he told reporters??

"We absolutely support a price on pollution. We've always supported it." (???)

Singh faced reporters for the first time since a speech last week at the annual Progress Summit, where he created confusion about the NDP position on the federal consumer levy on fuel.

In the address, Singh sang the praises of "affordable, low-carbon options" and vowed to "not punish people" who can't change how they heat their homes or get to work….so ok?

He later said the New Democrats would be putting forward a vision to tackle climate change that would emphasize initiatives with the most impact, such as methane regulations and a carbon price on industrial emitters…..so ok?

"Make those even stricter, make those even stronger, look at other ways for us to really take on big polluters," Singh told reporters last Thursday??

"We don't want working people to feel like they're shouldering the burden. That's not fair. And frankly, not a New Democrat solution to the problem." (???)

This is followed by more evasive word salad, not really saying anything at all.
Trudeau noted that Singh is facing "political pressure" from conservative premiers and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who want to scrap the policy.
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Poilievre has indeed been travelling the country, including to NDP strongholds across British Columbia and northern Ontario, to rally supporters around his "axe the tax" message.
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Public opinion polls show both the NDP and Liberals are bleeding support to the Conservatives as Poilievre champions affordability as his main issue, painting the supply-and-confidence agreement they entered into in March 2022 as a "costly coalition."
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Singh then released a statement insisting it supports the "consumer carbon price."

But when asked Monday to clarify whether he maintains that position himself, Singh would only say the party's voting record makes clear that it supports "a price on pollution," not specifying whether that includes a levy paid by consumers despite multiple questions to that effect???

"We absolutely support a price on pollution. We have not changed our position on that," he said. (?)

"We need to make sure we fight the climate crisis with everything we have, but the Liberals are eroding that trust by not supporting working-class people," Singh added.

He accused the Liberal government of continuing to provide subsides to oil and gas companies without providing supports to working-class families.

Singh had earlier chided Trudeau's move to exempt home heating oil from the carbon price for three years, calling it a divisive decision. (?? I agree on this but really Jagnutz? You supported Trudeau in that)

Nearly one in three households in Atlantic Canada relies on home heating oil, and the carve-out to the government's signature climate policy came after Liberal MPs in the region raised concerns about the rising cost of living….which was visibly blatant to anybody with an IQ over 70.

Trudeau and Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault have ruled out making any further exceptions…then they quietly gave the northern territories an exemption on heating with diesel fuel, which is pretty much what they’ve got to use that they import from the south…but Shhhhhhh…

That's despite demands from Western premiers, like Saskatchewan's Scott Moe, who say households that use natural gas should get the same break.

Moe is among a majority of provincial leaders, including lone Liberal Premier Andrew Furey of Newfoundland and Labrador, who are asking Trudeau to convene a meeting to discuss alternatives to the consumer carbon price, etc…
Not mentioned here is the internal pressure from the rank and file NDP who also hate the tax .