Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

Ron in Regina

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Lately there has been an all-out assault on the collective Canadian leg.

The most egregious example is the story put forth ad nauseam by Liberal MPs and ministers that, by increasing the carbon tax, they are making us all richer.

The tax is set to increase on April 1, sickeningly coincidental with a pay raise of $8,100 a year for MPs, while regular Canadians suffer the increased cost of everything, including the resulting rise in the cost of government.

More provincial premiers are showing they are in tune with hard economic times people are suffering right now, asking the Trudeau government not to raise the tax.

Trudeau called those leaders “short-term thinkers,” cynically and smugly saying it is not his job to be popular.

Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says premiers have their facts wrong; it doesn’t hurt Canadians. He repeated the story that eight out of 10 Canadians receive more in rebates than they spend due to the tax.

Two Liberal MPs looked me in the eye over the past week and energetically asserted the same story.

But that story it is not backed up by the parliamentary budget office (PBO), which told us that, with the cost of gasoline and other fuels, the baked-in cost of the carbon tax on all goods and the resulting damage to the economy, the 80/20 ratio is reversed.

Without the tax, 80% of us will save money. For slow-learner Liberals, if there is no tax, we are not due a rebate. Duh!

Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith (Beaches-East York) got so angry when I brought up the PBO that he swore at me on live radio.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has sworn to axe the tax, resulting in the Liberals making the outrageous claim that Poilievre wants to take away your rebate??

Meanwhile in Toronto, like we needed it, city hall started peeing on the other leg.

A new “revenue tool” it came up with was to tax all the parking spots at private businesses.

A business such as a mall would experience an enormous tax, which it would be forced to pass on to mall tenants who would as best they could pass that along to their customers.

Then we were told the tax isn’t a money grab, but a way to get cars off the road to save what portion of the environment isn’t saved by the carbon tax.

Again with the pee, the rain and the leg.

It is a parking lot tax, not a parking fee. Who’s leaving the car behind, only to schlep their goods on the bus, when there would be no savings in doing so?

Local politicians and soccer boosters in Vancouver and Toronto are telling us what a financial windfall World Cup 2026 will be for the cities.

Vancouver instituted an extra 2.5% tax on short-term accommodations to help cover the costs.

Shelley Carroll, chair of Toronto’s budget committee, revealed that the city’s financial structure is such that no tax revenue generated by the games will accrue to the city. The city can’t make money on the games.

Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe honesty prevails.

It could be raining. But it doesn’t smell right.
 

Ron in Regina

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The false impression the Liberals try to create that the carbon tax is mainly about the price of gasoline and home heating fuel.

In reality, the carbon tax increases the cost of 22 forms of fossil fuel energy.

That’s why it increases the cost of almost everything, because almost all goods and services are created using fossil fuels.
Claiming the carbon tax will result in financial savings due to less severe weather in Canada by 2030, when our emissions at 1.5% of the global total don’t materially impact climate change, as the PBO notes, is absurd.

The government says the carbon tax is revenue neutral. It’s not. The government keeps the GST imposed on top of the carbon tax and hasn’t rebated billions of dollars promised to small businesses.
 

bob the dog

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The thing is nobody is on your side.

Canada's largest corporation RBC is a Canadian company but it is not owned by Canadians. RBC is also the largest shareholder in Suncor which makes it also not owned by Canadians. Nobody is left. Canadians are exempt from ownership of critical industries and resources. Our best interests is not their concern.

Meanwhile between the feds and the provinces we pay $130 billion in interest payments per year. I know it sounds too high to be believable.
 

Ron in Regina

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17 cents carbon tax, 17 cents fed excise tax plus GST...
 

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Ron in Regina

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Oh shit! Logic!
Well, solid questions that perhaps the liberals need to explain better (?) or more creatively (?) as long as they’re not hooked up to a polygraph while they’re doing it?

A new poll commissioned by a Canadian taxpayer watchdog suggests that many Manitobans want Premier Wab Kinew to tell Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to scrap the April 1 carbon tax hike.

The Canadian Taxpayer Federation poll from Leger shows 83% of Manitobans support Kinew speaking out against the hike, which will see a 17 cents per litre increase at the pumps on regular gasoline, 21 cents per litre on diesel fuel and 15 cents per cubic metre of natural gas.
(According to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, the carbon tax increase will cost the average Manitoba family another $502 per year more than they get back in rebates)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is pushing back against premiers who are asking him to cancel an upcoming increase to the federal carbon tax, saying they have not proposed better ideas to fight taxable wealth distribution….I mean climate change.
“We have made it clear that we are open to working with any and all provinces and territories that want to establish their own pricing systems (as long as they meet or exceed the national benchmark),”…unless it’s Moe from Saskatchewan trying to fairly balance heating bill exceptions like the federal government did for the Maritimes…we mean heating oil users like in the Maritimes…we mean heating oil users…yeah, the last one.
The prime minister has defended his policy by pointing out that Some Canadians get a quarterly cheque of some of the money someone else paid to offset paying the consumer carbon tax, a rebate that is most generous for low-income households, etc…
 
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Heard a new one today on Global News, that may be an early April Fools joke. Or not. The Center for Policy Alternatives has suggested that cities should be able to impose an income tax on their citizens. They suggested 1% on incomes over $250000, which would mean mostly government employees getting taxed.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Heard a new one today on Global News, that may be an early April Fools joke. Or not. The Center for Policy Alternatives has suggested that cities should be able to impose an income tax on their citizens. They suggested 1% on incomes over $250000, which would mean mostly government employees getting taxed.
So…potentially…you can be taxed on your income federally, provincially, & now civilly, before you get to start paying the other taxes (?) & then you get to take the remainder to pay for things that might have already been taxed repeatedly at different steps…to pass that cost onto the end user who pays a tax on that good or service?

Sure, why not? The more the merrier…😉
 

Tecumsehsbones

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So…potentially…you can be taxed on your income federally, provincially, & now civilly, before you get to start paying the other taxes (?) & then you get to take the remainder to pay for things that might have already been taxed repeatedly at different steps…to pass that cost onto the end user who pays a tax on that good or service?

Sure, why not? The more the merrier…😉
Don't forget the excise taxes and what y'all call GST! And of course, the fact that whatever income tax the producer pays is passed on to you.
 

Ron in Regina

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Don't forget the excise taxes and what y'all call GST! And of course, the fact that whatever income tax the producer pays is passed on to you.
If Trudeau thought his Atlantic caucus gave him trouble, what is he going to do when he inevitably goes toe to toe with Quebec?

Like Nova Scotia before, Trudeau is giving Quebec a special deal on the carbon tax that allows residents of La Belle province to pay a lower carbon tax than any other province. By 2030, Quebec is expected to pay a carbon tax 14 cents per litre of gas lower than the rest of Canada.

As that gap continues to grow, the Liberals will face explosive pressure to step in and crank up Quebec’s carbon tax, as they did in Nova Scotia last year.

If Trudeau couldn’t handle political backlash from Atlantic Canada, what’s his plan when it’s coming from Quebec? Currently the Liberals are currently forecast to take less than 20% of seats in Ontario….leaving Quebec as their bastion of support.

The conservatives may earn government without Quebec’s support, but the Liberals? Not so much…
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If Trudeau thought his Atlantic caucus gave him trouble, what is he going to do when he inevitably goes toe to toe with Quebec?

Like Nova Scotia before, Trudeau is giving Quebec a special deal on the carbon tax that allows residents of La Belle province to pay a lower carbon tax than any other province. By 2030, Quebec is expected to pay a carbon tax 14 cents per litre of gas lower than the rest of Canada.

As that gap continues to grow, the Liberals will face explosive pressure to step in and crank up Quebec’s carbon tax, as they did in Nova Scotia last year.

If Trudeau couldn’t handle political backlash from Atlantic Canada, what’s his plan when it’s coming from Quebec? Currently the Liberals are currently forecast to take less than 20% of seats in Ontario….leaving Quebec as their bastion of support.

The conservatives may earn government without Quebec’s support, but the Liberals? Not so much…
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Brown paper bags are coming out as we speak .
 

Taxslave2

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There is a certain value to it. It's a factor in determining price point.
Less taxes, lower price. Likewise with bureaucratic mandates. I'm not talking about safety rules, but plain bureaucratic bullshit. The equivalent to union featherbedding. Prime example locally. A little distillery on one of the islands can't ship its product direct to liquor stores in the area. Or anywhere for that matter. It must be shipped to the LCBC warehouse in Vancouver and then shipped back to the local liquor stores, both government run and private.
 
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Ron in Regina

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If Trudeau thought his Atlantic caucus gave him trouble, what is he going to do when he inevitably goes toe to toe with Quebec?

Like Nova Scotia before, Trudeau is giving Quebec a special deal on the carbon tax that allows residents of La Belle province to pay a lower carbon tax than any other province. By 2030, Quebec is expected to pay a carbon tax 14 cents per litre of gas lower than the rest of Canada.

As that gap continues to grow, the Liberals will face explosive pressure to step in and crank up Quebec’s carbon tax, as they did in Nova Scotia last year.

If Trudeau couldn’t handle political backlash from Atlantic Canada, what’s his plan when it’s coming from Quebec? Currently the Liberals are currently forecast to take less than 20% of seats in Ontario….leaving Quebec as their bastion of support.

The conservatives may earn government without Quebec’s support, but the Liberals? Not so much…
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I guess it’s not just seven Premiers asking for this tax to be removed now. BC and Quebec are asking for it yet though.