Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

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Many. I can think of a couple on my own block, and a couple more that will probably not be there by spring due to fire, & a few garages within 200 feet of my house.
My hood is no different, maybe worse.

It's well know shelters and housing corps refuse drunks, smokers and junkies and blacklist those who have violated the rules.

Ice fishing tents are as far as I'm willing to support those types.
 

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Blue Hydrogen and U238. Two home grown resources in abundance. They are the answer to big bucks and emissions issues. It's a no brainer.

Blue hydrogen is a type of hydrogen that is produced from natural gas using a process called steam methane reforming (SMR) and carbon capture and storage (CCS):

  • Production: Natural gas is combined with heated water to produce hydrogen and carbon dioxide as a byproduct.

  • Carbon capture and storage: The carbon dioxide produced is captured and stored underground using CCS.

    • Description: Blue hydrogen is sometimes called "low-carbon hydrogen" because the carbon emissions are not released into the atmosphere. However, some say that "low carbon" is a more accurate description because 10-20% of the carbon cannot be captured.
Blue hydrogen could be used as a lower-emissions energy carrier to support emissions reductions in sectors like heavy-duty transport, heating, and power production.

The energy industry uses different colors to differentiate between types of hydrogen. Other colors include:

    • Brown: Made from brown coal (lignite)
    • Pink: Made using nuclear power
    • Yellow: Made using solar power or a mix of energy sources from the electrical grid
    • Turquoise: Made using methane pyrolysis
    • White: Naturally occurring geological hydrogen


The process always strips sulphur from the fuel into a value added by product.

Blue hydrogen can happen overnight in industry terms.

Existing vehicles, home heating, cooking can be converted for cheap.
 
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Carney and the Liberals must be overjoyed that on Friday most of the mainstream media joined the Team Carney campaign when they reported that Carney, through cabinet decree, had killed the “consumer carbon tax” in his first act as prime minister, without explaining what that means.
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When Carney announced his intentions for the consumer carbon tax on Jan. 31, even the Carney campaign appeared confused about what it was doing.

The headline on the press release didn’t say Carney was killing the consumer carbon tax, as so obediently reported by most media on Friday.

What it said was: “Mark Carney presents plan for change on consumer carbon tax” while the text said, a “Mark Carney-led government will immediately remove the consumer carbon tax and instead, create a system of incentives to reward Canadians for making greener choices …”

We don’t yet know how Carney’s new “system” will work – other than that it will fold the consumer carbon tax into what Carney says will be an “improved and tightened” industrial carbon tax known as the Output-Based Pricing System (OBPS) for large, industrial emitters that he will extend by five years until 2035.

According to Carney – and again the details have yet to be released – this new system will target “big polluters” without any explanation so far of how it will prevent them from passing along their increased costs to the public in higher prices because of the increased production costs they will face.

On the face of it, Carney’s plan for the consumer carbon tax is to turn it into a hidden tax compared to what the Liberals used to refer to not as the “consumer carbon tax” but as the “fuel charge rates” to Canadian households for 22 forms of fossil fuel energy, including gasoline and natural gas.

Fuel charge rates were (???) scheduled to increase April 1 when Canada’s carbon price was set to increase by 18.75% from $80 per tonne of industrial greenhouse gas emissions to $95 per tonne, on the way to $170 per tonne in 2030.

(With a 19% hike coming April 1, now former Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said they aren’t quite sure how to pull off Mark Carney’s promise without passing legislation, reports Blacklock’s Reporter)

So, Carney’s new carbon pricing system will apparently be less transparent than the one he’s replacing, where the annual costs of consumer carbon pricing were publicly available on government websites.

In addition, Carney plans to create a new carbon tax known as a “carbon border adjustment mechanism,” during a trade war with our largest trading partner that doesn’t have a carbon tax? I wonder how ‘that’ will go over (?) or make life more affordable for Canadians???
“I’m optimistic about sustainability and the road to net zero in the sense that it provides an opportunity to realign our social values and value in the market,” he said in a 2021 interview with Strategy+Business. He supported instilling “values-based leadership, to drive this transformation” as well as “effective governance and policy, by leveraging the social solidarity we saw develop over the pandemic.” Is this a Trudeau quote or a Carney quote or a Trudeau through Carney quote?
 

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Carney will be even worse than Trudeau, unfortunately! He'll be extremely dangerous to our economy, that's for sure!
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BUT…did he really, with parliament prorogued?
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Canada doesn’t have executive orders, & an order in council can’t do this, so what has he really done? Is it smoke&mirrors? CBC (& a few others) claim he’s already done this though?
When is the last time you’ve seen a media show like this from inside the cabinet committee room? That would be about…never?
 
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Canada doesn’t have executive orders, & an order in council can’t do this, so what has he really done? Is it smoke&mirrors? CBC (& a few others) claim he’s already done this though?
Mark Carney’s first act as a prime minister of Canada was to lie to the Canadian people. That may seem like a bold allegation, but there are no two ways about it.

Carney held a cabinet meeting, invited the TV cameras in and held a Trump-style executive order signing that was nothing but a charade.
When is the last time you’ve seen a media show like this from inside the cabinet committee room? That would be about…never?
TV cameras aren’t normally allowed into Canadian cabinet meetings, but Carney — just hours after being sworn in as PM — invited the media to watch him sign away the consumer carbon tax.

“Based on the discussion we’ve had, and consistent with the promise that I made and others supported, we will be eliminating the Canada Fuel Charge, the consumer fuel charge, immediately,” Carney said.

Immediately after that, Carney signed a document as if his signature wiped away the hated tax???
BUT…did he really, with parliament prorogued
To actually do away with the consumer portion of the carbon tax, but not the carbon tax completely, would require an act of Parliament. The Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act was passed in 2018 and allows the Governor in Council, meaning cabinet advising the Governor General, to adjust the tax rate, but not do away with it.

That’s the first lie Carney and the Liberals told on the carbon tax.

After telling us for years that anyone who opposed the tax wanted the planet to burn, the Liberals quickly threw their party’s signature policy overboard to try and regain some popularity. The second lie they told is just as bad: The document that Carney signed on Friday in front of the cameras was useless.
“I hereby instruct that the fuel charge be removed as of April 1, 2025 and that the April 2025 Canada Carbon Rebate be issued,” the document signed by Carney said???

Prime ministers are not presidents: They don’t issue orders like this; they don’t have the power to do so. It’s not just a matter of optics, no PM has the legal authority to do what Carney tried to make you think he did.

Yet there he was, just hours after invoking the history of Canada, the importance of the Crown, the Governor General, the importance of the differences in Canadian versus American democratic institutions and he was mimicking Donald Trump. There is no other way to interpret what Carney was trying to do other than an a brazen attempt to use the Trump optics of signing an executive order to show that he is just as powerful.
 
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Prime ministers are not presidents: They don’t issue orders like this; they don’t have the power to do so. It’s not just a matter of optics, no PM has the legal authority to do what Carney tried to make you think he did.
Unless we're already the 51st State....Governors can issue executive orders.
Wink wink.
 
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Carney never said he was scrapping carbon taxes.
Prime ministers are not presidents: They don’t issue orders like this; they don’t have the power to do so. It’s not just a matter of optics, no PM has the legal authority to do what Carney tried to make you think he did.
(YouTube & Mark Carney scraps {?} consumer carbon tax in first move as PM)
Unless we're already the 51st State....Governors can issue executive orders.
Wink wink.
His own media release when he announced his new policy on Jan. 31, while running for the Liberal leadership, was: “Mark Carney presents plan for change on consumer carbon tax.”

Changing something is not killing it.

What Carney actually said he would do was to fold the comsumer carbon tax into what he described as an “improved and tightened” industrial carbon tax, known as the Output Based Pricing System (OBPS).
(YouTube & Here's what Carney will replace the carbon tax with. Either way, you pay!)

He said this reformed carbon tax would make “big polluters” pay the added costs they face of using fossil fuel energy to create almost all goods and services, without passing them along (?) to Canadians in higher prices?
(YouTube & PM Mark Carney faces skepticism after terminating consumer carbon tax)

He also said that instead of carbon tax rebates, this would include “a system of incentives to reward Canadians for making greener choices,” which the previous Liberal government said the rebates were supposed to accomplish?🤔

The problem is that since carbon taxes impose a new cost on society — the cost of emitting industrial greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere — someone must pay it and it always ends up being Canadians, either as taxpayers or consumers.🤫

Carney also said he would create a second carbon tax known as a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism.
(YouTube & Mark Carney wants to scrap one carbon tax, hike another, then impose a new carbon tax on imports)

That means imposing carbon tariffs on foreign goods imported into Canada from countries that, in Canada’s view, don’t have credible climate change policies…like the only country we share an actual land border with.

For example, the Carney government could impose a tariff on U.S. goods imported into Canada — meaning higher prices for Canadians — because the U.S. doesn’t have, & never will have, a national carbon tax.
 

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Carney never said he was scrapping carbon taxes.

(YouTube & Mark Carney scraps {?} consumer carbon tax in first move as PM)

His own media release when he announced his new policy on Jan. 31, while running for the Liberal leadership, was: “Mark Carney presents plan for change on consumer carbon tax.”

Changing something is not killing it.

What Carney actually said he would do was to fold the comsumer carbon tax into what he described as an “improved and tightened” industrial carbon tax, known as the Output Based Pricing System (OBPS).
(YouTube & Here's what Carney will replace the carbon tax with. Either way, you pay!)

He said this reformed carbon tax would make “big polluters” pay the added costs they face of using fossil fuel energy to create almost all goods and services, without passing them along (?) to Canadians in higher prices?
(YouTube & PM Mark Carney faces skepticism after terminating consumer carbon tax)

He also said that instead of carbon tax rebates, this would include “a system of incentives to reward Canadians for making greener choices,” which the previous Liberal government said the rebates were supposed to accomplish?🤔

The problem is that since carbon taxes impose a new cost on society — the cost of emitting industrial greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere — someone must pay it and it always ends up being Canadians, either as taxpayers or consumers.🤫

Carney also said he would create a second carbon tax known as a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism.
(YouTube & Mark Carney wants to scrap one carbon tax, hike another, then impose a new carbon tax on imports)

That means imposing carbon tariffs on foreign goods imported into Canada from countries that, in Canada’s view, don’t have credible climate change policies…like the only country we share an actual land border with.

For example, the Carney government could impose a tariff on U.S. goods imported into Canada — meaning higher prices for Canadians — because the U.S. doesn’t have, & never will have, a national carbon tax.
Of course , elbows up Canada , don’t forget wallets out , aren’t you such proud suckers .
 

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Carney never said he was scrapping carbon taxes.

(YouTube & Mark Carney scraps {?} consumer carbon tax in first move as PM)

His own media release when he announced his new policy on Jan. 31, while running for the Liberal leadership, was: “Mark Carney presents plan for change on consumer carbon tax.”

Changing something is not killing it.

What Carney actually said he would do was to fold the comsumer carbon tax into what he described as an “improved and tightened” industrial carbon tax, known as the Output Based Pricing System (OBPS).
(YouTube & Here's what Carney will replace the carbon tax with. Either way, you pay!)

He said this reformed carbon tax would make “big polluters” pay the added costs they face of using fossil fuel energy to create almost all goods and services, without passing them along (?) to Canadians in higher prices?
(YouTube & PM Mark Carney faces skepticism after terminating consumer carbon tax)

He also said that instead of carbon tax rebates, this would include “a system of incentives to reward Canadians for making greener choices,” which the previous Liberal government said the rebates were supposed to accomplish?🤔

The problem is that since carbon taxes impose a new cost on society — the cost of emitting industrial greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere — someone must pay it and it always ends up being Canadians, either as taxpayers or consumers.🤫

Carney also said he would create a second carbon tax known as a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism.
(YouTube & Mark Carney wants to scrap one carbon tax, hike another, then impose a new carbon tax on imports)

That means imposing carbon tariffs on foreign goods imported into Canada from countries that, in Canada’s view, don’t have credible climate change policies…like the only country we share an actual land border with.

For example, the Carney government could impose a tariff on U.S. goods imported into Canada — meaning higher prices for Canadians — because the U.S. doesn’t have, & never will have, a national carbon tax.
As a so-called "economist" how is it that he doesn't understand industry pricing? Of COURSE the increase in industrial carbon taxes will result in higher prices for consumers. How does he plan on preventing industry to pass down the higher cost? How is he going to prevent said industries from leaving the country if he somehow (??) "enforces" industries not to pass down the increase costs? How dumb is this man?
 

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As a so-called "economist" how is it that he doesn't understand industry pricing? Of COURSE the increase in industrial carbon taxes will result in higher prices for consumers. How does he plan on preventing industry to pass down the higher cost? How is he going to prevent said industries from leaving the country if he somehow (??) "enforces" industries not to pass down the increase costs? How dumb is this man?
He understands perfectly well , but cannot , or will not say it . This man is apparently a Rhodes scholar but once he became PM he can no longer string two words together. Just like our last exalted leader every comment is filled with um emm etc while searching for the correct weasel word or phrase . It is really sickening . But we upped the renumeration package to attract the best and the brightest . Any way long story short , pay up sucker . And elbows up .
 

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As a so-called "economist" how is it that he doesn't understand industry pricing? Of COURSE the increase in industrial carbon taxes will result in higher prices for consumers. How does he plan on preventing industry to pass down the higher cost? How is he going to prevent said industries from leaving the country if he somehow (??) "enforces" industries not to pass down the increase costs? How dumb is this man?
No matter. The goal is to prevent fossil fuel use in Canada. So, if no one produces it, and we can't afford to import, PRESTO, we are starving carbon free cave dwellers.
One of many questions he won't answer is when the new improved, and much more expensive carbon scam tax is implemented, will it apply to imported oil, or just Alberta and Saskatchewan oil?
 
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No matter. The goal is to prevent fossil fuel use in Canada. So, if no one produces it, and we can't afford to import, PRESTO, we are starving carbon free cave dwellers.
One of many questions he won't answer is when the new improved, and much more expensive carbon scam tax is implemented, will it apply to imported oil, or just Alberta and Saskatchewan oil?
Fossil fuel is made up nonsense.
 
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According to reporting in the Financial Times, the European Commission is reviewing a measure that would exempt industrial sectors such as concrete and steelmakers from having to pay carbon taxes on exported products.

The idea is to avoid kneecapping European exporters competing with the likes of China and India, whose own heavy industry face no such taxes.

As the EU’s climate commissioner Wopke Hoekstra told the Financial Times, carbon pricing could not come “at the expense of our own companies (as they) face unfair competition on the global market.”

Such an exemption would effectively be the inverse of what Canada has been doing on carbon pricing. Although industrial carbon taxes haven’t generated nearly the same amount of public ire as retail carbon pricing, Canadian exporters have argued that it puts them at a disadvantage in a world market filled with competitors who aren’t subject to carbon levies.
 

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According to reporting in the Financial Times, the European Commission is reviewing a measure that would exempt industrial sectors such as concrete and steelmakers from having to pay carbon taxes on exported products.

The idea is to avoid kneecapping European exporters competing with the likes of China and India, whose own heavy industry face no such taxes.

As the EU’s climate commissioner Wopke Hoekstra told the Financial Times, carbon pricing could not come “at the expense of our own companies (as they) face unfair competition on the global market.”

Such an exemption would effectively be the inverse of what Canada has been doing on carbon pricing. Although industrial carbon taxes haven’t generated nearly the same amount of public ire as retail carbon pricing, Canadian exporters have argued that it puts them at a disadvantage in a world market filled with competitors who aren’t subject to carbon levies.
So exports do not produce dangerous CO2. Only products used in country are bad for the environment. Got it.