What are the odds that this is a setup for Hamas to attack the single battalion
Hamas attacks Israel
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Fact or predominant piece of propaganda? Id rather hang with Muzzies than born yesterday christians.
Interesting since it was an offer from the Americans apart of the Abraham negotiations
Maybe David is confusing the PLO & PA (Palestine Liberation Operation & the Palestinian Authority?), but maybe not?
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Maybe not.
It was seen as a positive sign that Hamas backed a statement from that meeting, pledging support for the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), an umbrella group for Palestinian political movements that negotiated a previous peace deal with Israel.
International eyes have turned towards the PA as the vehicle that might - with enough reform - carry Palestinians into a new, united post-war era. The Gaza war might have exploded Palestinian politics, but one of the few things it hasn't changed is disillusionment with the PA, the body that the US is banking on to take charge of Gaza.
It is widely seen as corrupt and inefficient, and - by some - as a security enforcer for the Israeli government in the West Bank.
A poll this week by the respected Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah suggested that a majority of Palestinians think the PA should be dissolved. And satisfaction with its president in the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas, was just 8%.
Mr Abbas has replaced his Prime Minister, Mohammad Shtayyeh, in an effort to signal reform - or "renewal" as the American government has termed it. But it has not really moved the dial. The new prime minister, an economist called Mohammad Mustafa, has been tasked with heading a technocratic interim government, and bringing together all the Palestinian political factions - including Hamas - to find some sort of consensus around a new unified vision for the future.
Sabri Saidam, a senior Fatah official, told me that the resignation of the government was designed to "open up the floor" to other factions - like Hamas - and give them "the space to reconsider their political stance, and their obligations in the future - and also their role, given the changes that have happened since 7 October".
"We have been talking to Hamas indirectly," he said. "We have restated the importance of adhering to the […] two-state solution," referring to the idea that Israelis and Palestinians could live side-by-side in separate countries.
It was seen as a positive sign that Hamas backed a statement from that meeting, pledging support for the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), an umbrella group for Palestinian political movements that negotiated a previous peace deal with Israel.
But that feelgood moment in Moscow (‘cuz Russian Jews?) was quickly shattered when Hamas reacted furiously to the appointment of Mr Mustafa, accusing Mahmoud Abbas of acting unilaterally and taking "empty steps" without national consensus.
"Hamas did not react the way we had anticipated," said Sabri Saidam, although he believes it follows a familiar pattern of behaviour by the group."We hear some positive remarks [from Hamas], but then when it comes to practical engagement, there's always a setback," he told me.
Sabri Saidam says the party is now waiting to see whether this incident marks the end of Hamas talking to the PLO, "or is just a reflection of the chaos Hamas is in".
It's early days, but so far the "renewal" of the PA hasn't yet delivered either unity with rival political factions, or credibility with the Palestinian people.
To what extent Hamas still holds power in Gaza, after more than five months of war, is complicated and difficult to assess. There have been reports of law and order breaking down, and of armed gangs linked to Gaza's big families competing for resources.
But Hamas fighters are still confronting Israeli forces across the Gaza Strip, most of its top leadership still appear to be free, and Israel says several Hamas battalions remain intact in the southern border town of Rafah.
Even the civilian committees responsible for distributing aid in Gaza City are overwhelmingly “affiliated” with Hamas, one resident said.
Any new administration in Gaza will need to have at least the tacit support of the group or face ongoing friction, or an insurgency.
The dilemma will be how to give Hamas a voice - even a discreet one - without triggering resistance from influential outside powers like the US - and, of course, from Israel, which is also trying to veto any role for the PA in Gaza.
That dilemma is compounded by continued support for Hamas across both Palestinian territories.
Support spiked in the first few months of the war, and now seems to be falling a bit, but a majority of those interviewed by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research said they wanted Hamas to run Gaza after the war; only 11% wanted the PA to take charge there.
Israel-Gaza briefing: Is now the time Palestinian politics can start afresh?
With many challenges ahead, the future of Palestinian leadership is yet to be decided, writes Lucy Williamson.
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Its nice to see more than "Palestine is evil and has one goal" and "Israel is more pious and righteous than Jesus".Maybe David is confusing the PLO & PA (Palestine Liberation Operation & the Palestinian Authority?), but maybe not?
Palestinian Authority - Wikipedia
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Maybe not.
It was seen as a positive sign that Hamas backed a statement from that meeting, pledging support for the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), an umbrella group for Palestinian political movements that negotiated a previous peace deal with Israel.
International eyes have turned towards the PA as the vehicle that might - with enough reform - carry Palestinians into a new, united post-war era. The Gaza war might have exploded Palestinian politics, but one of the few things it hasn't changed is disillusionment with the PA, the body that the US is banking on to take charge of Gaza.
It is widely seen as corrupt and inefficient, and - by some - as a security enforcer for the Israeli government in the West Bank.
A poll this week by the respected Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah suggested that a majority of Palestinians think the PA should be dissolved. And satisfaction with its president in the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas, was just 8%.
Mr Abbas has replaced his Prime Minister, Mohammad Shtayyeh, in an effort to signal reform - or "renewal" as the American government has termed it. But it has not really moved the dial. The new prime minister, an economist called Mohammad Mustafa, has been tasked with heading a technocratic interim government, and bringing together all the Palestinian political factions - including Hamas - to find some sort of consensus around a new unified vision for the future.
Sabri Saidam, a senior Fatah official, told me that the resignation of the government was designed to "open up the floor" to other factions - like Hamas - and give them "the space to reconsider their political stance, and their obligations in the future - and also their role, given the changes that have happened since 7 October".
"We have been talking to Hamas indirectly," he said. "We have restated the importance of adhering to the […] two-state solution," referring to the idea that Israelis and Palestinians could live side-by-side in separate countries.
It was seen as a positive sign that Hamas backed a statement from that meeting, pledging support for the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), an umbrella group for Palestinian political movements that negotiated a previous peace deal with Israel.
But that feelgood moment in Moscow (‘cuz Russian Jews?) was quickly shattered when Hamas reacted furiously to the appointment of Mr Mustafa, accusing Mahmoud Abbas of acting unilaterally and taking "empty steps" without national consensus.
"Hamas did not react the way we had anticipated," said Sabri Saidam, although he believes it follows a familiar pattern of behaviour by the group."We hear some positive remarks [from Hamas], but then when it comes to practical engagement, there's always a setback," he told me.
Fatah hit back, accusing Hamas of triggering "a catastrophe" for the Palestinian people by attacking Israel on 7 October; a catastrophe that was worse, it said, than the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948, when the Israeli state was created.
Sabri Saidam says the party is now waiting to see whether this incident marks the end of Hamas talking to the PLO, "or is just a reflection of the chaos Hamas is in".
It's early days, but so far the "renewal" of the PA hasn't yet delivered either unity with rival political factions, or credibility with the Palestinian people.
To what extent Hamas still holds power in Gaza, after more than five months of war, is complicated and difficult to assess. There have been reports of law and order breaking down, and of armed gangs linked to Gaza's big families competing for resources.
But Hamas fighters are still confronting Israeli forces across the Gaza Strip, most of its top leadership still appear to be free, and Israel says several Hamas battalions remain intact in the southern border town of Rafah.
Even the civilian committees responsible for distributing aid in Gaza City are overwhelmingly “affiliated” with Hamas, one resident said.
Any new administration in Gaza will need to have at least the tacit support of the group or face ongoing friction, or an insurgency.
The dilemma will be how to give Hamas a voice - even a discreet one - without triggering resistance from influential outside powers like the US - and, of course, from Israel, which is also trying to veto any role for the PA in Gaza.
That dilemma is compounded by continued support for Hamas across both Palestinian territories.
Support spiked in the first few months of the war, and now seems to be falling a bit, but a majority of those interviewed by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research said they wanted Hamas to run Gaza after the war; only 11% wanted the PA to take charge there.
Israel-Gaza briefing: Is now the time Palestinian politics can start afresh?
With many challenges ahead, the future of Palestinian leadership is yet to be decided, writes Lucy Williamson.
The day after US, UK and France said "we're cutting you off", Israel miraculously returned to the bargaing table. Coincidence?
The Israel withdrawal is a set up for Hamas and Hezbollah to show their true colors and resume their attacks on Israel as seen in the above within a day of withdrawing Hamas started a rocket attack. Israel will point and say see and kick into high gear and finish their operation.
No wonder Jews in Canada say they no longer feel safe
Saturday was another shameful display of anti-Semitism on the streets of our city.
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Apr 07, 2024 • Last updated 2 days ago • 3 minute read
There was open and shameful anti-Semitism on the streets of Toronto with the Al Quds Day march.
This image from an X posting from Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman shows a protester in Toronto marching in an Al Quds Day parade with a replica suicide vest.
On Friday, I had another unfortunate conversation with Jewish friends about whether Canada is still safe for them and their families. On Saturday, we saw another example of why so many Canadian Jews don’t feel safe.
A man walked the streets of Toronto, marching in an Al Quds Day parade, wearing his keffiyeh and a replica suicide vest as he and those around him chanted about intifada.
For six months, Canadian Jews have watched and listened as mobs have taken to the streets with the pro-Hamas chants and propaganda. The calls of “from the river to the sea” and “only one solution, intifada revolution” are nothing short of calls for genocide and still it goes on.
Last weekend, when Toronto Police Service provided the mildest of pushback, they were accused of racism and police brutality by those who have been calling for the elimination of Israel and making horribly racist comments about their fellow Canadians.
We even saw six city councillors, including two members of the Toronto Police Services Board, come out in support of the protesters while criticizing the police.
“It is deeply concerning to hear residents voicing fears about their freedom to engage in protests, demonstrations, and large gatherings,” the councillors wrote, implying that TPS has been anything but accommodating to this Hamas supporting mob.
And let’s be clear, this is a Hamas supporting mob, not a pro-Palestinian mob.
Not once, at any of the protests that I’ve attended since Oct. 9, have there been any calls for Hamas to accept a ceasefire, just for Israel to agree to one. There have been no calls for Hamas to release the civilians taken hostage. There have been no banners declaring that Hamas must stop using the people of Gaza as human shields.
Instead, there are banners like the one repeatedly on display from the group, Samidoun, that features an image of an AK-47 firing with the butt of the rifle painted like a Palestinian flag. Across the banner, it reads, “Long Live the Resistance.”
Samidoun is an organization with ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a group that has been on Canada’s list of banned terrorist organizations for 20 years. Somehow, despite their close affiliation with the PFLP and their open calls of resistance by any means necessary – which includes supporting the murder of children and rape of women – Samidoun is able to keep their status as a non-profit registered organization in Canada.
Do the councillors who signed the letter realize that this is who they are supporting?
Samidoun has been a key organizer of these protest marches since the start of the Hamas-initiated war. One of the other key organizers, the Palestinian Youth Movement, has equally questionable ties and is the type of group any elected official should want to distance themselves from.
PYM has also long celebrated and defended terrorists with long connections to groups like PFLP, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and others. On Oct. 7, within hours of most of us finding out about the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas, PYM was celebrating what happened.
Their worldwide network had social media posts going up cheering on “the resistance” and asking people to come out to rallies in solidarity of what had just happened.
These are the people those six councillors are standing with and defending. Terrorist supporters, who for the last six months have been protected by police as they walk the streets, target synagogues, Jewish daycare centres, Jewish owned businesses and more with their genocidal chants.
It’s no wonder that every time I speak to Jewish friends, someone will raise the issue of not feeling safe or welcome in Toronto, or Canada, any longer.
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Saturday was another shameful display of anti-Semitism on the streets of our city.
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Apr 07, 2024 • Last updated 2 days ago • 3 minute read
There was open and shameful anti-Semitism on the streets of Toronto with the Al Quds Day march.
This image from an X posting from Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman shows a protester in Toronto marching in an Al Quds Day parade with a replica suicide vest.
On Friday, I had another unfortunate conversation with Jewish friends about whether Canada is still safe for them and their families. On Saturday, we saw another example of why so many Canadian Jews don’t feel safe.
A man walked the streets of Toronto, marching in an Al Quds Day parade, wearing his keffiyeh and a replica suicide vest as he and those around him chanted about intifada.
For six months, Canadian Jews have watched and listened as mobs have taken to the streets with the pro-Hamas chants and propaganda. The calls of “from the river to the sea” and “only one solution, intifada revolution” are nothing short of calls for genocide and still it goes on.
Last weekend, when Toronto Police Service provided the mildest of pushback, they were accused of racism and police brutality by those who have been calling for the elimination of Israel and making horribly racist comments about their fellow Canadians.
We even saw six city councillors, including two members of the Toronto Police Services Board, come out in support of the protesters while criticizing the police.
“It is deeply concerning to hear residents voicing fears about their freedom to engage in protests, demonstrations, and large gatherings,” the councillors wrote, implying that TPS has been anything but accommodating to this Hamas supporting mob.
And let’s be clear, this is a Hamas supporting mob, not a pro-Palestinian mob.
Not once, at any of the protests that I’ve attended since Oct. 9, have there been any calls for Hamas to accept a ceasefire, just for Israel to agree to one. There have been no calls for Hamas to release the civilians taken hostage. There have been no banners declaring that Hamas must stop using the people of Gaza as human shields.
Instead, there are banners like the one repeatedly on display from the group, Samidoun, that features an image of an AK-47 firing with the butt of the rifle painted like a Palestinian flag. Across the banner, it reads, “Long Live the Resistance.”
Samidoun is an organization with ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a group that has been on Canada’s list of banned terrorist organizations for 20 years. Somehow, despite their close affiliation with the PFLP and their open calls of resistance by any means necessary – which includes supporting the murder of children and rape of women – Samidoun is able to keep their status as a non-profit registered organization in Canada.
Do the councillors who signed the letter realize that this is who they are supporting?
Samidoun has been a key organizer of these protest marches since the start of the Hamas-initiated war. One of the other key organizers, the Palestinian Youth Movement, has equally questionable ties and is the type of group any elected official should want to distance themselves from.
PYM has also long celebrated and defended terrorists with long connections to groups like PFLP, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and others. On Oct. 7, within hours of most of us finding out about the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas, PYM was celebrating what happened.
Their worldwide network had social media posts going up cheering on “the resistance” and asking people to come out to rallies in solidarity of what had just happened.
These are the people those six councillors are standing with and defending. Terrorist supporters, who for the last six months have been protected by police as they walk the streets, target synagogues, Jewish daycare centres, Jewish owned businesses and more with their genocidal chants.
It’s no wonder that every time I speak to Jewish friends, someone will raise the issue of not feeling safe or welcome in Toronto, or Canada, any longer.
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LILLEY: No wonder Jews in Canada say they no longer feel safe
There was open and shameful anti-Semitism on the streets of Toronto with the Al Quds Day march.
When protesters appear to wear suicide vests, it's a problem
Author of the article:Joe Warmington
Published Apr 07, 2024 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
It looked like something you might see a terrorist wear in a war zone in another part of the world.
But this was right here in Toronto on University Ave. at the al Quds Day march turned anti-Israel protest on Saturday.
At first glance, many thought it looked like a suicide vest. Sources close to the man say what he was wearing was not a mock suicide vest, but a perfectly legal “Hang Ten Belt — a utility belt that allows you to carry up to 10 Wire-Pull or Burst Smoke Grenades into action” that is sold in stores or online.
Others thought it was carrying ammunition. Whatever it was, it’s out of place in Toronto.
“At the Al Quds Day rally in Toronto, they chanted for Intifada, which were periods of terrorism including suicide bombings,” Independent Spadina Fort York MP Kevin Vuong posted on X. “So there was no ambiguity, a ‘peaceful protestor’ cosplayed as a suicide bomber wearing a mock suicide vest. When people show you who they are, believe them.”
Canada’s deputy opposition leader, Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman, also expressed outrage.
“Peaceful protester wearing a pretend suicide vest at the Al Quds Day rally in Toronto. No big deal,” the Thornhill politician mockingly posted on X. “This morally bankrupt Liberal government has decided this is the Canada they want. Everyone else hears your silence, Justin Trudeau.”
Meanwhile, journalist Ahmar Khan on X lambasted the elected MPs for the way they painted the photograph.
Saying that looks like a suicide vest is disingenuous at best. Some politicians in Canada are more willing to fearmonger and sow dissent by spreading falsehoods in an attempt to score points for their side. Painting Palestinian protesters as terrorists is pretty deplorable.”
That said, when a counter-protester like Salman Sima, a refugee who came to Canada from Iran and has sided with Israel in the war against Hamas and it’s Oct. 7 slaughter, was arrested and taken to a Toronto Police division for an alleged “breach of the peace” for seemingly holding a sign saying “Hamas are Terrorists,” it’s not a surprise some may take offence to what this man was wearing.
There were also other concerning issues Saturday, including videos showing speeches praising terrorist fighter and leaders in Gaza.
Toronto Police are getting complaints from all sides and are in a no-win situation.
Even elected councillors and members of the Toronto Police Services Board are leaning on them, which is off side if you consider all that has been asked of the police in the past six months. They have been to more than 400 protests and for the most part have done a good job.
We have certainly called them out for the time they brought coffee to protesters on the Avenue Rd. bridge, for the ridiculous arrest of Rebel reporter David Menzies for merely asking questions and for the bizarre shutting down of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s planned state dinner with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. But they deserve praise for keeping control of many situations that could have spun out of control.
It is important for people to remember police officers on the street, and their commanders, are human beings first.
They are faced with making calls in real time without the benefit of hindsight or looking later at videos.
They are dealing with a relentless onslaught of protests, threats and public and political pressure each and every day.
That said, the pro-Palestinian protesters, which become pro-Hamas supporters when they chant for “intifada,” routinely push the boundaries of appropriate protesting over the line.
No matter how many leftist politicians lean on them, police should not tolerate anybody carrying or using smoke bombs on the streets, those who rip signs of the Canadian flag away from protesters, and demonstrators who act as “protest marshals,” using bicycles or long chords to create special zones for anti-Israel protesters only.
There is only one group who should be policing these demonstrations, and that is the actual police.
So whether it’s symbolizing a suicide vest or holding smoke devices, it should not be tolerated on the streets of Toronto.
torontosun.com
Author of the article:Joe Warmington
Published Apr 07, 2024 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
It looked like something you might see a terrorist wear in a war zone in another part of the world.
But this was right here in Toronto on University Ave. at the al Quds Day march turned anti-Israel protest on Saturday.
At first glance, many thought it looked like a suicide vest. Sources close to the man say what he was wearing was not a mock suicide vest, but a perfectly legal “Hang Ten Belt — a utility belt that allows you to carry up to 10 Wire-Pull or Burst Smoke Grenades into action” that is sold in stores or online.
Others thought it was carrying ammunition. Whatever it was, it’s out of place in Toronto.
“At the Al Quds Day rally in Toronto, they chanted for Intifada, which were periods of terrorism including suicide bombings,” Independent Spadina Fort York MP Kevin Vuong posted on X. “So there was no ambiguity, a ‘peaceful protestor’ cosplayed as a suicide bomber wearing a mock suicide vest. When people show you who they are, believe them.”
Canada’s deputy opposition leader, Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman, also expressed outrage.
“Peaceful protester wearing a pretend suicide vest at the Al Quds Day rally in Toronto. No big deal,” the Thornhill politician mockingly posted on X. “This morally bankrupt Liberal government has decided this is the Canada they want. Everyone else hears your silence, Justin Trudeau.”
Meanwhile, journalist Ahmar Khan on X lambasted the elected MPs for the way they painted the photograph.
Saying that looks like a suicide vest is disingenuous at best. Some politicians in Canada are more willing to fearmonger and sow dissent by spreading falsehoods in an attempt to score points for their side. Painting Palestinian protesters as terrorists is pretty deplorable.”
That said, when a counter-protester like Salman Sima, a refugee who came to Canada from Iran and has sided with Israel in the war against Hamas and it’s Oct. 7 slaughter, was arrested and taken to a Toronto Police division for an alleged “breach of the peace” for seemingly holding a sign saying “Hamas are Terrorists,” it’s not a surprise some may take offence to what this man was wearing.
There were also other concerning issues Saturday, including videos showing speeches praising terrorist fighter and leaders in Gaza.
Toronto Police are getting complaints from all sides and are in a no-win situation.
Even elected councillors and members of the Toronto Police Services Board are leaning on them, which is off side if you consider all that has been asked of the police in the past six months. They have been to more than 400 protests and for the most part have done a good job.
We have certainly called them out for the time they brought coffee to protesters on the Avenue Rd. bridge, for the ridiculous arrest of Rebel reporter David Menzies for merely asking questions and for the bizarre shutting down of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s planned state dinner with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. But they deserve praise for keeping control of many situations that could have spun out of control.
It is important for people to remember police officers on the street, and their commanders, are human beings first.
They are faced with making calls in real time without the benefit of hindsight or looking later at videos.
They are dealing with a relentless onslaught of protests, threats and public and political pressure each and every day.
That said, the pro-Palestinian protesters, which become pro-Hamas supporters when they chant for “intifada,” routinely push the boundaries of appropriate protesting over the line.
No matter how many leftist politicians lean on them, police should not tolerate anybody carrying or using smoke bombs on the streets, those who rip signs of the Canadian flag away from protesters, and demonstrators who act as “protest marshals,” using bicycles or long chords to create special zones for anti-Israel protesters only.
There is only one group who should be policing these demonstrations, and that is the actual police.
So whether it’s symbolizing a suicide vest or holding smoke devices, it should not be tolerated on the streets of Toronto.
WARMINGTON: When protesters appear to wear suicide vests, it's a problem
It looked like something you might see a terrorist wear in a war zone in another part of the world.
Is that what it is? Israel didnt get threatened by their biggest donors? Its all a set up created by Hamas?
Dont be silly. Thats far fetched.
Created by Israel to prove that Hamas can not be trusted. Despite what all our left leaning politicians want us to believe.
You really think Israel pulled out to let Hamas attack rather than they feared hearing "we'll cut you off if..."?
I hope you all are ready for there to be a Nation known as Palestine....
Its coming sooner than you think.
Its coming sooner than you think.