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That was a long read. Interesting perspective.
Israel-Palestine: the real reason there’s still no peace
The long read: The possibility of a lasting deal seems as far away as ever – and the history of failed negotiations suggests it’s largely because Israel prefers the status quowww.theguardian.com
It's a long read but explains everything very well.
It might surprise you.
Who did the vast majority refusing? How many times were West Bank settlements mentioned as being the sticking point? Any denials of Israel's Right to exist from Palestinians?
From that one perspective, you already know your answers, and they start in that article the majority of the time in 1967. The truth would be somewhere in the middle.
Lots of conflicting narratives, & the opposition to that article is the “we would be happy with land, the size of a tablecloth” quote from Chaim Weizman that was rejected not by the Israelis.
Right to exist - Wikipedia
1993 is when reality kicks in.Right to exist - Wikipedia
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Israel-PLO Recognition
In September 1993, following intense behind-the-scenes contacts between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in Oslo, an agreement was achieved between Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. On September 9, 1993, Arafat sent a letter to Prime Minister Rabin, in which he stated unequivocally that the PLO:
Recognizes the right of Israel to exist in peace and security.
Accepts UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
Commits itself to a peaceful resolution of the conflict.
Renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence.
Assumes responsibility over all PLO elements to ensure their compliance, prevent violations, and discipline violators.
Affirms that those articles of the PLO Covenant which deny Israel’s right to exist are now inoperative and no longer valid.
Undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes to the Covenant.
In reply, Israel recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians in the peace negotiations.
initiating or taking any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip prior to the conclusion of the permanent status agreement.
Stages of Sharm el-Sheikh implementation:
Release of prisoners: Sep 9, 1999. Oct 15, 1999.
Additional prisoners released for Ramadan: Dec 1999. Jan 2000.
Further redeployments: Sep 10, 1999 (7%); Jan 5-7, 2000 (5%); Mar 21, 2000 (6.1%).
Safe passage: southern route Oct 25, 1999; Shuhada Street Oct 31, 1999.
Displaced persons committee convenes: February 6, 2000.
Permanent Status Negotiations
The negotiations on the permanent status arrangements commenced in Taba on May 5, 1996. These negotiations will deal with the remaining issues to be resolved, including Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with neighboring countries.In a joint communique issued on May 6 at the close of the first session of talks, the two sides reaffirmed the principles guiding these negotiations.
In the Wye Memorandum of October 23, 1998, both sides agreed to immediately resume permanent status negotiations on an accelerated basis and to make a determined effort to reach agreement by May 4, 1999. A first meeting between Foreign Minister Ariel Sharon and Abu Mazen took place on November 18, 1998.
Following the Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum, the permanent status negotiations were formally resumed on September 13, 1999, at the Erez checkpoint. Foreign Minister David Levy was appointed to head the Israeli negotiating team with the Palestinians, and Abu-Mazen heads the Palestinian team.
In his speech at the opening of the talks, Foreign Minister Levy summarized the basic principles by which Israel will be guided up in negotiating a permanent status agreement: we will not return to the 1967 lines. united Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel. settlement blocs in the territories will remain under Israeli sovereignty. there will be no foreign army west of the Jordan River.
More: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-israel-palestinian-negotiations
The info is the same as the Guardian article and not a "perspective".
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Israel withdraws troops from southern Gaza for ‘tactical reasons’ — Guardian US
Drawdown after four months of fighting in Khan Younis coincides with new ceasefire talks
Everything has to have a start date, & the choice of start dates can influence the picture much like environment Canada choosing a start date that dismisses weather records from earlier in the century.
It wasn’t the PLO that broke the most recent cease-fire Oct 7th though.
The PLO doesn’t control Gaza, or Hamas.
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You really dont want this to be true do ya? It kinda kills a big pile of propaganda myths.
Doesn't matter if PLO of Hamas. Would it matter if LPC or NDP? Mahmoud Abbas is the guy.
Click the link for more recent details upto the Abraham Accord.
Doesn't matter if PLO of Hamas. Would it matter if LPC or NDP? Mahmoud Abbas is the guy.
Click the link for more recent details upto the Abraham Accord.
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Threats of being cut off the cash and arms tit worked.
JERUSALEM/CAIRO April 7 (Reuters) - Israel said on Sunday it had withdrawn more soldiers from southern Gaza, leaving just one brigade, as it and Hamas sent teams to Egypt for fresh talks on a potential ceasefire in the six-month conflict.6 hours ago
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JERUSALEM/CAIRO April 7 (Reuters) - Israel said on Sunday it had withdrawn more soldiers from southern Gaza, leaving just one brigade, as it and Hamas sent teams to Egypt for fresh talks on a potential ceasefire in the six-month conflict.6 hours ago
https://www.reuters.com › world
Israel reduces troops in south Gaza, Egypt to host new talks - Reuters
This one is for Bill
The Reconquista ("reconquest") is a term to describe an irredentist vision by different individuals, groups, and/or nations that the Southwestern United States should be politically or culturally returned to Mexico. Known as advocating a Greater Mexico, such opinions are often formed on the basis that those territories were claimed by Spain for centuries and then by Mexico from 1821 until they were annexed by the United States during the Texas Annexation (1845) and the Mexican Cession (1848) because of the Mexican–American War.[1]
The Reconquista ("reconquest") is a term to describe an irredentist vision by different individuals, groups, and/or nations that the Southwestern United States should be politically or culturally returned to Mexico. Known as advocating a Greater Mexico, such opinions are often formed on the basis that those territories were claimed by Spain for centuries and then by Mexico from 1821 until they were annexed by the United States during the Texas Annexation (1845) and the Mexican Cession (1848) because of the Mexican–American War.[1]
I heard they’re going to relocate Israel into Texas. Get the Jews to build the wall, and Mexico to pay for it. Maybe it was the Mexicans to build the wall in the Jews to pay for it? The whole situation is kind of confusing. Then the call will be “From the Rio Grande to the Mexican Gulf Sea (?), Texans will be free!!” Texans will be free! “Remember the Wailing Wall that Mexico will build!”
A tense situation was avoided today, as a Leftist pro-Palestine protestor attempted to get into an argument with a Skinhead but found they really are on the same page about pretty much everything.
"Wait, what? You hate the Jews too?" asked Chuck Peaslee, a college student and Palestine liberation warrior. "I wanted to punch a Nazi today, but you're making it pretty difficult right now, bro."
The skinhead, a representative from a local chapter of the Aryan Knights of Odin's Revenge had just finished explaining to Peaslee that his group also seeks the annihilation of the Jewish people. "Right on, man!" the Skinhead said. "The nation of Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the face of the earth! High five!"
Palestine Protester Tries To Argue With Skinhead But They Just Agree On Everything
DALLAS, TX — A tense situation was avoided today, as a Leftist pro-Palestine protestor attempted to get into an argument with a Skinhead but found they really are on the same page about pretty much everything.
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Israel's Netanyahu: No Gaza truce without release of hostages — Reuters
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel would not agree to a ceasefire after six months of war against Hamas in Gaza until the hostages being held in Gaza are released.
To funny.I heard they’re going to relocate Israel into Texas. Get the Jews to build the wall, and Mexico to pay for it. Maybe it was the Mexicans to build the wall in the Jews to pay for it? The whole situation is kind of confusing. Then the call will be “From the Rio Grande to the Mexican Gulf Sea (?), Texans will be free!!” Texans will be free! “Remember the Wailing Wall that Mexico will build!”
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A tense situation was avoided today, as a Leftist pro-Palestine protestor attempted to get into an argument with a Skinhead but found they really are on the same page about pretty much everything.
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"Wait, what? You hate the Jews too?" asked Chuck Peaslee, a college student and Palestine liberation warrior. "I wanted to punch a Nazi today, but you're making it pretty difficult right now, bro."
The skinhead, a representative from a local chapter of the Aryan Knights of Odin's Revenge had just finished explaining to Peaslee that his group also seeks the annihilation of the Jewish people. "Right on, man!" the Skinhead said. "The nation of Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the face of the earth! High five!"
Palestine Protester Tries To Argue With Skinhead But They Just Agree On Everything
DALLAS, TX — A tense situation was avoided today, as a Leftist pro-Palestine protestor attempted to get into an argument with a Skinhead but found they really are on the same page about pretty much everything.
Israel's Netanyahu: No Gaza truce without release of hostages — Reuters
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel would not agree to a ceasefire after six months of war against Hamas in Gaza until the hostages being held in Gaza are released.apple.news
Demanded? You sure it hasn't already been offered previously?
Peace to Prosperity -- The Economic Plan: A New Vision for the Palestinian People
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
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So who refused that deal? Israel only objected to the highway and railroadDemanded? You sure it hasn't already been offered previously?
Peace to Prosperity -- The Economic Plan: A New Vision for the Palestinian People
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.