Patience and persistence. Over time the Europeans civilized the hell out of us merciless Indian Savages. Patience and persistence'll git 'er done.
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This is all a tangled web, and I’m sure I’m seeing this through my own jaded perspective. Right or wrong, I look at it like this.
Substitute 2023 for 1938. Substitute Israel for Europe & Hamas for Germany (or that portion of Germany that was in control). Does the narrative stay the same? It seems familiar to me to what we’re watching being played out right now, but maybe thats just me.
Neville Chamberlain took the stance that much of the UN is currently taking. Winston Churchill took the unpopular position. In light of Monday morning quarterbacking, with more that 80 years of time going by to examine that…conflict that we call World War Two…in hindsight, who was right, & What did it take to end that conflict?
With war raging, and yet more war seeming imminent, speeches were made. Leaders gathered together, rising to leave behind some words that would be remembered. Remembered by history.
“We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing causes, but trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and goodwill.”
“How horrible, fantastic, incredible we should be preparing for war because of a quarrel in a far away country of whom we know nothing.”
“No doubt the Jews aren’t a lovable people. I don’t care about them myself.”
The above quote isn’t from the here & now, but from that other time and that other conflict from the ‘30’s & ‘40’s.
When we look back at this time decades from now for the few of us that will still be around at that point….will we wish that we had a Churchill or a Chamberlain at this point? I don’t know what the answer is, but the Chamberlain stance I’m not so sure about.
Substitute 2023 for 1938. Substitute Israel for Europe & Hamas for Germany (or that portion of Germany that was in control). Does the narrative stay the same? It seems familiar to me to what we’re watching being played out right now, but maybe thats just me.
Neville Chamberlain took the stance that much of the UN is currently taking. Winston Churchill took the unpopular position. In light of Monday morning quarterbacking, with more that 80 years of time going by to examine that…conflict that we call World War Two…in hindsight, who was right, & What did it take to end that conflict?
Is this a Cowboys/Indians thing, or a Europe/Nazis thing? Arguments could be made for both, but it might be 80 years before one side, or the other of the argument is proven out. “Peace in our time.”
With war raging, and yet more war seeming imminent, speeches were made. Leaders gathered together, rising to leave behind some words that would be remembered. Remembered by history.
“We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing causes, but trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and goodwill.”
“How horrible, fantastic, incredible we should be preparing for war because of a quarrel in a far away country of whom we know nothing.”
“No doubt the Jews aren’t a lovable people. I don’t care about them myself.”
The above quote isn’t from the here & now, but from that other time and that other conflict from the ‘30’s & ‘40’s.
That’s what Chamberlain was saying.
Yep, the Jews aren’t loveable, and then those Pollack’s… they shouldn’t have dressed that way, because they sort of invited it…etc…and Gypsies? Nobody liked or wanted them anyway, and the mental defects & those handicapped people where just in the way anyway, etc…
When we look back at this time decades from now for the few of us that will still be around at that point….will we wish that we had a Churchill or a Chamberlain at this point? I don’t know what the answer is, but the Chamberlain stance I’m not so sure about.
I'm gonna go with cowboys and Injuns, because I don't recall any invasion of European countries or existential threat from the Injuns.
Innovative notion, though. "We just HAD to invade and conquer them or they woulda been in London in a week!"
Just sticking out how I perceive what’s happening. I didn’t look this from the Cowboys/Indians perspective. It’s just a thought & you all have a good day.
Well. . . indigenous people (relative to the Israelis). The Israelis came, mostly from Europe, under a British mandate, and imposed their language and laws, and practiced significant discrimination against the indigenies. Over time, most of the tribes made peace with the newcomers, and decided to stay out of the fight between the people whose land was taken and the newcomers.
Sounds a lot like the civilization of the Americas to me.
A must see...
Sounds like a really nice tunnel system though.A must see...
Lots of rebar. Take note of Ukrainian buildings that take ballistic missile after missile and still stand.
Ukrainians love rebar.
BTW...the Lebanese tunnels are far far more vast and deeper.
Another BTW...where in Israel is it possible for Russians and Palestinians to sit and chat without IDF noticing? The West Bank.
Russian is 3rd most spoken language in Israel.
Any chance Russian Jews hate American Jews as much as Hamas or IJ does?
32 years this has been brewing.
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Oh but the Jews are so evil LolA must see...
I never understood that. Seriously. There are a lot of Jews in Washington pizza-delivery circles, and I've found them to be remarkably upstanding, hard-working, yadda yadda yadda. Good people, by and large.
Hamas leaders leave their luxury hotels in Qatar. Their security is no longer guaranteed.
Several Hamas leaders left Qatar for an unknown destination, turning off their phones and refusing all calls, KAN channel reported citing sources in Doha.
At least three senior Hamas members, Khaled Mashaal, Moussa Abu Marzouk and Yahya Sinwar along with their managers and drivers, have recently left Qatar.
Sources indicate that most of these members flew to Algeria.
End of August an Hamas office was opened in Algeria. Hamas had submitted a request to the Algerian authorities, which approved and welcomed the idea.
These departures come after the Qatari authorities informed the Hamas leaders present on their soil that they were no longer able to ensure their security in the face of threats from Israeli services.
Earlier in December, Shin Bet's chief Ronen Bar vowed to eliminate Hamas wherever its members may be. “We will look for them everywhere: in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in Turkey, in Qatar, everywhere. It will take a few years, but we will do it," he stated.
Ps: Remember in June, the Algerian President, Tebboune addressing Putin, stating, "Based on your words, Mr. President, I have concluded that you are a friend to all humanity, as well as a friend to all nations, just like Algeria."
It’s like president Tebboune has his own vision on “humanity”.
Correction: Sinwar is probably still in Gaza. It’s Ismail Haniyeh who left Qatar.
Iran. Maybe Syria. It’ll be a whole lot harder to “negotiate” with them now.
Hahaha this is priceless
Gaza’s sky is black but Qatar is always sunny.
Gaza’s sky is black but Qatar is always sunny.
The United Nations – and Canada – gives Hamas a big victory
A ceasefire only benefits the terrorist organization that broke the peace by committing atrocities on innocent Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Dec 13, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
Peace in our time.
With war raging, and yet more war seeming imminent, speeches were made. Leaders gathered together, rising to leave behind some words that would be remembered. Remembered by history.
Addressing his people, and the world, one powerful man rose and said these things.
“We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing causes, but trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and goodwill.”
Applause.
He went on: “How horrible, fantastic, incredible we should be preparing for war because of a quarrel in a far away country of whom we know nothing.”
More applause.
He lowered his voice for the next part: “No doubt the Jews aren’t a lovable people. I don’t care about them myself.”
Oh, wait. The above words were not uttered in the United Nations General assembly on Tuesday, although they certainly could have been. On Tuesday, you see, scores of nations – Canada among them – also deplored war and called for peace in our time. Canada, and others, called for a ceasefire.
The above words didn’t come from the UN this week, however. They come from decades ago in Britain. Neville Chamberlain said those words.
He uttered that hateful statement about the Jews, too. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain and the United Kingdom, actually said those things.
He was wrong about Jews, of course. He was also wrong about ceasefires, and peace in his time. But he would’ve fit right in, quite well, at the United Nations this week.
With very little effort, too, he would’ve fit right in to Justin Trudeau’s cabinet, wouldn’t he?
It is regrettable that we need to remind people Neville Chamberlain was hoodwinked by Adolf Hitler, and tragically wrong to call for “peace in our time.” But with a significant number of voters now getting information from TikTok, and not actual books and newspapers, it’s important to recall that lesson of history.
Namely, a ceasefire then only benefited Hitler. Just as a ceasefire now only benefits Hamas.
It’s a bit ironic, of course, that Trudeau’s government cravenly called for a ceasefire this week. It is almost amusing. Because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.
For years, Israel and the warring factions that surrounded it – the ones who wanted to wipe it from the face of the Earth (Hamas and Hezbollah, mainly) – had a ceasefire. Apart from the occasional skirmish, tentative peace was in place. It lasted for years.
It ended on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas broke it.
It’s impossible to know, of course, whether Hamas’ billionaire leaders in their Qatari mansions laughed about the ceasefire vote at the UN this week. But we know their predecessor, Hitler, certainly laughed when he fooled Neville Chamberlain.
It gave him time to regroup and rearm, and to spread his hateful ideology throughout the rest of Europe. As Hamas intends to do, in the Middle East.
As we say, we do not know how Hamas reacted to the vote in the general assembly on Tuesday. The terror group gives us a clue in its Charter, however.
There, in Article 13, Hamas says: “So-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”
Take that, general assembly.
It goes on: Hamas calls peace talks, and talk of peace with Jews and non-believers, “a waste of time.” Peace talks only help “the infidels,” says Hamas. All that is permitted is “jihad” – that is, holy war.
But Hamas does admit one thing, right in its Charter: peace conferences, and calls for ceasefires, are strategically useful. It gives them time to prepare for the next battle.
Take a bow, general assembly of the United Nations – you gave Hamas a big and unexpected victory this week.
Just like Neville Chamberlain did, so many years ago.
To Hitler.
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A ceasefire only benefits the terrorist organization that broke the peace by committing atrocities on innocent Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Dec 13, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
Peace in our time.
With war raging, and yet more war seeming imminent, speeches were made. Leaders gathered together, rising to leave behind some words that would be remembered. Remembered by history.
Addressing his people, and the world, one powerful man rose and said these things.
“We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing causes, but trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and goodwill.”
Applause.
He went on: “How horrible, fantastic, incredible we should be preparing for war because of a quarrel in a far away country of whom we know nothing.”
More applause.
He lowered his voice for the next part: “No doubt the Jews aren’t a lovable people. I don’t care about them myself.”
Oh, wait. The above words were not uttered in the United Nations General assembly on Tuesday, although they certainly could have been. On Tuesday, you see, scores of nations – Canada among them – also deplored war and called for peace in our time. Canada, and others, called for a ceasefire.
The above words didn’t come from the UN this week, however. They come from decades ago in Britain. Neville Chamberlain said those words.
He uttered that hateful statement about the Jews, too. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain and the United Kingdom, actually said those things.
He was wrong about Jews, of course. He was also wrong about ceasefires, and peace in his time. But he would’ve fit right in, quite well, at the United Nations this week.
With very little effort, too, he would’ve fit right in to Justin Trudeau’s cabinet, wouldn’t he?
It is regrettable that we need to remind people Neville Chamberlain was hoodwinked by Adolf Hitler, and tragically wrong to call for “peace in our time.” But with a significant number of voters now getting information from TikTok, and not actual books and newspapers, it’s important to recall that lesson of history.
Namely, a ceasefire then only benefited Hitler. Just as a ceasefire now only benefits Hamas.
It’s a bit ironic, of course, that Trudeau’s government cravenly called for a ceasefire this week. It is almost amusing. Because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.
For years, Israel and the warring factions that surrounded it – the ones who wanted to wipe it from the face of the Earth (Hamas and Hezbollah, mainly) – had a ceasefire. Apart from the occasional skirmish, tentative peace was in place. It lasted for years.
It ended on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas broke it.
It’s impossible to know, of course, whether Hamas’ billionaire leaders in their Qatari mansions laughed about the ceasefire vote at the UN this week. But we know their predecessor, Hitler, certainly laughed when he fooled Neville Chamberlain.
It gave him time to regroup and rearm, and to spread his hateful ideology throughout the rest of Europe. As Hamas intends to do, in the Middle East.
As we say, we do not know how Hamas reacted to the vote in the general assembly on Tuesday. The terror group gives us a clue in its Charter, however.
There, in Article 13, Hamas says: “So-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”
Take that, general assembly.
It goes on: Hamas calls peace talks, and talk of peace with Jews and non-believers, “a waste of time.” Peace talks only help “the infidels,” says Hamas. All that is permitted is “jihad” – that is, holy war.
But Hamas does admit one thing, right in its Charter: peace conferences, and calls for ceasefires, are strategically useful. It gives them time to prepare for the next battle.
Take a bow, general assembly of the United Nations – you gave Hamas a big and unexpected victory this week.
Just like Neville Chamberlain did, so many years ago.
To Hitler.
KINSELLA: The United Nations – and Canada – gives Hamas a big victory
It's ironic that Trudeau's government called for a ceasefire this week because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.
So they just legitimized Hamas as a legal political entity? Well, thats fucked
Poor Napoleon, his tyranny has been lost to time.The United Nations – and Canada – gives Hamas a big victory
A ceasefire only benefits the terrorist organization that broke the peace by committing atrocities on innocent Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Dec 13, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
Peace in our time.
With war raging, and yet more war seeming imminent, speeches were made. Leaders gathered together, rising to leave behind some words that would be remembered. Remembered by history.
Addressing his people, and the world, one powerful man rose and said these things.
“We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing causes, but trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and goodwill.”
Applause.
He went on: “How horrible, fantastic, incredible we should be preparing for war because of a quarrel in a far away country of whom we know nothing.”
More applause.
He lowered his voice for the next part: “No doubt the Jews aren’t a lovable people. I don’t care about them myself.”
Oh, wait. The above words were not uttered in the United Nations General assembly on Tuesday, although they certainly could have been. On Tuesday, you see, scores of nations – Canada among them – also deplored war and called for peace in our time. Canada, and others, called for a ceasefire.
The above words didn’t come from the UN this week, however. They come from decades ago in Britain. Neville Chamberlain said those words.
He uttered that hateful statement about the Jews, too. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain and the United Kingdom, actually said those things.
He was wrong about Jews, of course. He was also wrong about ceasefires, and peace in his time. But he would’ve fit right in, quite well, at the United Nations this week.
With very little effort, too, he would’ve fit right in to Justin Trudeau’s cabinet, wouldn’t he?
It is regrettable that we need to remind people Neville Chamberlain was hoodwinked by Adolf Hitler, and tragically wrong to call for “peace in our time.” But with a significant number of voters now getting information from TikTok, and not actual books and newspapers, it’s important to recall that lesson of history.
Namely, a ceasefire then only benefited Hitler. Just as a ceasefire now only benefits Hamas.
It’s a bit ironic, of course, that Trudeau’s government cravenly called for a ceasefire this week. It is almost amusing. Because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.
For years, Israel and the warring factions that surrounded it – the ones who wanted to wipe it from the face of the Earth (Hamas and Hezbollah, mainly) – had a ceasefire. Apart from the occasional skirmish, tentative peace was in place. It lasted for years.
It ended on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas broke it.
It’s impossible to know, of course, whether Hamas’ billionaire leaders in their Qatari mansions laughed about the ceasefire vote at the UN this week. But we know their predecessor, Hitler, certainly laughed when he fooled Neville Chamberlain.
It gave him time to regroup and rearm, and to spread his hateful ideology throughout the rest of Europe. As Hamas intends to do, in the Middle East.
As we say, we do not know how Hamas reacted to the vote in the general assembly on Tuesday. The terror group gives us a clue in its Charter, however.
There, in Article 13, Hamas says: “So-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”
Take that, general assembly.
It goes on: Hamas calls peace talks, and talk of peace with Jews and non-believers, “a waste of time.” Peace talks only help “the infidels,” says Hamas. All that is permitted is “jihad” – that is, holy war.
But Hamas does admit one thing, right in its Charter: peace conferences, and calls for ceasefires, are strategically useful. It gives them time to prepare for the next battle.
Take a bow, general assembly of the United Nations – you gave Hamas a big and unexpected victory this week.
Just like Neville Chamberlain did, so many years ago.
To Hitler.
KINSELLA: The United Nations – and Canada – gives Hamas a big victory
It's ironic that Trudeau's government called for a ceasefire this week because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.