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The latest war between Israel and Hamas began after the armed group's militants launched a surprise attack in Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, including hundreds of civilians, and taking about 240 people hostage.

Israel retaliated with airstrikes on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, and cutting off its access to many essential supplies. Local authorities say more than 18,000 Palestinians have been killed.

Canada voted in favour of a non-binding resolution at the United Nations on Tuesday that calls for "an immediate humanitarian ceasefire" between Israel and Hamas, in a move that broke with years of Canadian policy and shocked Jewish groups.

The vote at the UN General Assembly represents a shift in Canada's long-standing position of siding with Israel on major resolutions at the international bodyand arguing the Jewish state is unfairly called out in global forums.

The Liberals say the carnage in the Gaza Strip led Canada to change tack. "We must recognize that what is unfolding before our eyes will only enhance the cycle of violence," Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday on Parliament Hill.

"This will not lead to the durable defeat of Hamas, which is necessary, and the threat that it poses to Israel. With the future of Israelis and Palestinians in mind, Canada is joining the international call for humanitarian ceasefire."

The National Council of Canadian Muslims called the UN vote a "milestone" that needs to translate into "the reality of action and deeds."

Yet the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs said it was "disgusted and frankly shocked" by Canada's stance, given that the motion does not explicitly call out Hamas for its crimes or urge the group to surrender.

"Canada's decision to support the resolution will undoubtedly lead to further hate being directed towards Jews here in Canada," the group's head Shimon Koffler Fogel said in a statement.

Hamas "cannot be rewarded and left unaccountable," said the group, which represents Jewish federations across Canada.

Good; bout fucking time sense was discussed.

But not like it'll mean anything. Nuttenbutter will keep being a genocidal maniac, Hamas will keep being a terrorist organization playing the victim card and even if it gets wiped out, a new group will rise up to take over.


Thinking outside the box. . . maybe formally annex Gaza, and move a substantial portion of the population to the West Bank?

The problem with that is area, territory; the West Bank doesn't have enough. It didn't have enough before but with illegal settlements, it's even less.

That said, it is an idea that should be debated at least.

Sucks? Yeah. But guess what? Everything about this situation sucks. And the West Bank seems to be relatively calm lately. Maybe it could be the State of Palestine.

True; West Bank is quieter (relatively) because it's ruled by the PA, not Hamas, and the PA at least tries to keep control of things. It is at least workable.

As you said, everything about the situation sucks but people also need to realize a 'two state solution' isn't going to cut it anymore, either.
 
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Wisdom from Iran for Israel. Israel mounted its assault on Gaza in response to a cross-border raid by Hamas fighters in which they killed 1,200 people and took 240 hostage in southern Israel on Oct. 7. More than 100 hostages were freed during a short-lived truce last month.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed last month to Muslim states with political ties with Israel to at least cut them for "a limited time". He had previously called for an Islamic oil and food embargo on Israel.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said on Tuesday that Israel and the United States will never be able to wipe out Hamas and that Israel could only secure the release of hostages held in Gaza with a political solution to the conflict.

He added that Israel, which has vowed to wipe out Tehran-backed Hamas, could only achieve the return of hostages taken by Hamas during a deadly rampage on Oct. 7 by a political solution.

Amirabdollahian was speaking at a meeting alongside counterparts from other Middle Eastern countries.

"All the ministers agree that the strikes by the criminal Israeli regime and the genocide it is committing has to stop immediately," Amirabdollahian said following the meeting.
Oh it'll stop once all the Leaders of Hamas are gone!!
 

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Senior Hamas Officials in Qatar and Lebanon have reportedly begun to Disappear within the past week, with Qatari Sources claiming that they have left for “Unknown Destinations” and that since that they have been Unreachable by Cell Phone; Saleh al-Arouri, a Senior Leader of Hamas and Founder of the Al-Qassam Brigades has also not been heard from since he Suddenly Departed from his Residence in Beirut, Lebanon several days ago.
 

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Senior Hamas Officials in Qatar and Lebanon have reportedly begun to Disappear within the past week, with Qatari Sources claiming that they have left for “Unknown Destinations” and that since that they have been Unreachable by Cell Phone; Saleh al-Arouri, a Senior Leader of Hamas and Founder of the Al-Qassam Brigades has also not been heard from since he Suddenly Departed from his Residence in Beirut, Lebanon several days ago.
Off to Moscow...
 
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Senior Hamas Officials in Qatar and Lebanon have reportedly begun to Disappear within the past week, with Qatari Sources claiming that they have left for “Unknown Destinations” and that since that they have been Unreachable by Cell Phone; Saleh al-Arouri, a Senior Leader of Hamas and Founder of the Al-Qassam Brigades has also not been heard from since he Suddenly Departed from his Residence in Beirut, Lebanon several days ago.


If they've ended their existence, or someone else has, good. Bout time.

From sounds of it though, the current Hamas leader is a wackadoo more than normal terrorist levels. Put crazy people into this kind of position of power and this is what happens.
 
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If they've ended their existence, or someone else has, good. Bout time.

From sounds of it though, the current Hamas leader is a wackadoo more than normal terrorist levels. Put crazy people into this kind of position of power and this is what happens.
Me thinks Mossad is on the hunt Munich style
 

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I'm pretty sure they weren't sitting around and pondering their next moves, it takes time to set up and carry out operations in foreign countries not friendly to your cause

I'd comment further but it might get my post removed for being "Disgusting" again :D


Suffice to say I'm aware of that but Israel should be always prepared to respond quickly to this kind'a thing, especially when they know it's coming.
 

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I'd comment further but it might get my post removed for being "Disgusting" again :D


Suffice to say I'm aware of that but Israel should be always prepared to respond quickly to this kind'a thing, especially when they know it's coming.
I agree it was a set up, and Hamas was stupid enough to let Russia talk them into falling for the trap. Hamas thought they had Islamic support and Israel would stand down after the world pressured them, nah ah not this time and I don't think Israel will leave Gaza afterward as well. Now the Nuclear break in I'm not convinced if it is not apart of the ploy to keep the west hesitant on pressuring the peace deal to the full extent possible or if it was orchestrated by a foreign Gov. Hamas is not sufficient enough militarily to pull this off they are more Hulk than surgeon IMHO
 
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The latest war between Israel and Hamas began after the armed group's militants launched a surprise attack in Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, including hundreds of civilians, and taking about 240 people hostage.

Israel retaliated with airstrikes on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, and cutting off its access to many essential supplies. Local authorities say more than 18,000 Palestinians have been killed.
Well, we all watched this roll out in our 24/7 news cycle….
Canada voted in favour of a non-binding resolution at the United Nations on Tuesday that calls for "an immediate humanitarian ceasefire" between Israel and Hamas, in a move that broke with years of Canadian policy and shocked Jewish groups.
I’ve looked, & in all honesty, I can’t find to confirm that even a majority of the minority Liberals voted for this position with in the UN. I could be wrong, or my search parameters are wrong, etc…but I’m not seeing it.

The pre-existing divisions in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal caucus over the federal government's positioning on the Israel-Hamas war were thrust back to the forefront on Wednesday, with MPs expressing differing opinions on Canada voting for "an immediate humanitarian ceasefire."
The vote at the UN General Assembly represents a shift in Canada's long-standing position of siding with Israel on major resolutions at the international bodyand arguing the Jewish state is unfairly called out in global forums.
The Liberals say the carnage in the Gaza Strip led Canada to change tack. "We must recognize that what is unfolding before our eyes will only enhance the cycle of violence," Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday on Parliament Hill.
"This will not lead to the durable defeat of Hamas, which is necessary, and the threat that it poses to Israel. With the future of Israelis and Palestinians in mind, Canada is joining the international call for humanitarian ceasefire."
The National Council of Canadian Muslims called the UN vote a "milestone" that needs to translate into "the reality of action and deeds."
What does the Nations Council of Canadian Muslims say about the attack by Hamas inside Israel October 7th?
Yet the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs said it was "disgusted and frankly shocked" by Canada's stance, given that the motion does not explicitly call out Hamas for its crimes or urge the group to surrender.
23/158 Liberals is 15% if rounded up.
30/338 MP’s is 9% if rounded up.
(this is from Oct 20th though)
"Canada's decision to support the resolution will undoubtedly lead to further hate being directed towards Jews here in Canada," the group's head Shimon Koffler Fogel said in a statement.
Hamas "cannot be rewarded and left unaccountable," said the group, which represents Jewish federations across Canada.
 
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Zara pulls ad after backlash, calls Gaza parallels a 'misunderstanding'
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Published Dec 12, 2023 • 1 minute read
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The fast fashion retailer Zara has dropped an ad campaign that sparked calls for a boycott on social media after some customers said it evoked images from the war in Gaza.


The campaign, called “The Jacket,” featured images of a model holding a mannequin that appeared to be wrapped in white plastic, shattered plasterboard and rubble, according to CNBC.


Zara said the ad — meant to showcase the new Atelier clothing line — was conceived and photographed weeks before the war in Gaza, which began Oct. 7 after Hamas militants launched a surprise assault. Thousands of people have died in the conflict.

Zara has pulled this ad after backlash.
Zara has pulled this ad after backlash.


In a statement on its Instagram page, Zara said it regrets what it called a “misunderstanding,” noting that the campaign had the sole purpose of “showcasing craftmade garments in an artistic context.”

“Unfortunately, some customers felt offended by these images, which have now been removed, and saw in them something far from what was intended when they were created,” reads the statement from Zara.

The brand added that it reaffirms its “deep respect towards everyone.”
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Canadian Army needs to spend $220 million to replace gear donated to Ukraine: General
Meanwhile, the firm which manufactures the M777 howitzers is not planning on running a production line for the guns until 2028.


Author of the article:David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Dec 12, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read

The Canadian Army will need to spend $220 million to replace the equipment it has donated to Ukraine, but in some cases it will take years to acquire weapons similar or the same as to what was given away.


Since February 2022, Canada has committed over $2.4 billion in military assistance donations to Ukraine. While some of the equipment is being ordered directly from U.S. companies and financed by Canada, a considerable amount is coming from existing stocks of the Canadian Army. Those include M777 howitzers, ammunition and small arms, Leopard tanks, armoured vehicles, anti-armour weapons and rocket launchers.

Maj.-Gen. Rob Dundon, chief of staff for National Defence’s Materiel Group and formerly the Director General, Land Equipment Program Management, said the amount of equipment to be replaced is significant. “The scope of what we’re replacing is fairly large, to the tune of about $220 million,” Dundon told Canadian Army Today, a publication produced in collaboration with the Canadian Army. “And some of it gets very challenging to replace.”


Dundon noted for instance that BAE, the firm which manufactures the M777 howitzers, is not planning on running a production line for the guns until 2028.

Dundon said various options have all been examined for replacing the Leopard tanks donated to Ukraine. The options examined included purchasing the most modern variant of the Leopard tank as well as supporting a new tank production line that is being pushed by Germany. Those options have been presented to the Canadian military leadership.

“We’re now waiting for a CAF strategy decision on which way they want us to execute,” Dundon noted.

Asked by this newspaper for a dollar estimate on the cost of replacing the equipment donated to Ukraine, the Canadian Forces responded with an email statement. “We do not yet have a full cost estimate of the investment to replace these capabilities or equipment.”


There was no explanation of the discrepancy between that answer and Dundon’s specific estimate of the cost to replace the equipment provided to the publication the army collaborates with.

Dundon also noted the challenge with replacing donated ammunition. In some cases it will take three years to replace specific munitions.

But Dundon added that Canada is working with the U.S. to establish a North American industrial base to ramp up production of 155mm ammunition which is used by the M777 howitzers.

He said production of such ammunition for Canada is now up to 5,000 rounds a month and “we’re looking at going well beyond that.”

But Dundon noted the ammunition situation hasn’t reached a critical state. “We have never dipped into our strategic reserves or anything that we consider operationally necessary,” he stated. “As a consequence, we think we’re okay on all those.”


That reassurance is in contrast to statements being made by Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Wayne Eyre. Eyre has sounded the warning on ammunition stocks, pointing out the issue to members of parliament in a Sept. 28 appearance before the Commons defence committee.

“I am very concerned about our ammunition stocks,” said at the time.

Eyre has also stated the country’s defence industry needs to ramp up production of ammunition for the Canadian Forces.

But industry representatives have noted there has not been any real increase in ammunition contracts. “We’re unaware of any new contracts involving scaling up munitions production out of DND/CAF,” the Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries stated in an email to this newspaper.


A total of approximately 40,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition for the M777 howitzers have been donated to Ukraine by Canada at a cost of $60 million. Approximately 20,000 rounds of ammunition were obtained from the U.S. and the rest from CAF stock, according to the National Defence website.

Canada has also committed to providing Ukraine with a new air defence. A National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System and associated munitions are being purchased from the U.S. to donate to Ukraine on Canada’s behalf. That project costs $406 million.

The donation of the system was announced in January but it has yet to be delivered, according to the National Defence website.
 
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On Oct. 26, the UN general assembly voted on a resolution calling for a “humanitarian truce” that did not explicitly mention Hamas’s attack on Israel on Oct. 7.

At the time, Rae (Bob Rae, Canada’s ambassador at the United Nations) said Canada could not support the text because the role of Hamas was being ignored. He proposed an amendment that condemned Hamas’s role in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack, saying “it names what has to be named.”

“If the proposed amendment is not adopted, the Assembly will not have recognized one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks and we will all have to live with that failure,” he said.

The amendment did not get the necessary two-thirds majority support, and Canada consequently abstained.

Fast forward to Tuesday. The resolution before the assembly called for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” (that is, a more formal and permanent “solution” than a truce). It not only failed to condemn Hamas, it didn’t even mention the terrorist organization. As Austrian amendment citing the role of Hamas in instigating the escalation of violence did not garner enough support to pass — yet Canada still voted in favour of the resolution.

A joint statement the Trudeau government issued Tuesday with Australia and New Zealand did call Hamas’s attack “heinous,” said the group was responsible for sexual violence against Israelis, and that it used Palestinian populations as human shields.

But crucially, while the statement said Hamas cannot be allowed to govern Gaza any longer, it then called for the ceasefire that would neuter Israel’s ability to defeat Hamas through military force.

Canada has long had a policy that there are far too many resolutions at the UN related to the Arab-Israel conflict that unfairly single out Israel and seek to isolate the Jewish state. For two decades, Canada has voted against those resolutions, with only a couple of exceptions, and has insisted that the destructive role played by Hezbollah and Hamas be addressed.

The vote on Tuesday was yet another attempt to isolate and pressure Israel, and this time Canada colluded.

Even if Israel recognized the point made by Canada’s Global Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly, that its actions “only enhance the cycle of violence,” with whom would it negotiate a signed agreement?

Hamas’s leader, Yahya Sinwar has said publicly that the slaughter on Oct. 7th “was just a rehearsal.” Hamas is an avowedly genocidal organization and there will be no partner for peace until it no longer controls Gaza.

It’s a bit ironic, of course, that Trudeau’s government cravenly called for a ceasefire this week. It is almost amusing. Because, of course, a ceasefire was already in place.

For years, Israel and the warring factions that surrounded it – the ones who wanted to wipe it from the face of the Earth (Hamas and Hezbollah, mainly) – had a ceasefire. Apart from the occasional skirmish, tentative peace was in place. It lasted for years.

It ended on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas broke it.
 
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Of FAR greater importance is the fact that the city council of Takoma Park, Maryland voted against a ceasefire. The margin was Aye - 1, Nay - 2, Huh? - 6.

See, the reason that's important is that the Derwood city council actually has some authority, though that authority is utterly irrelevant to Israel or Gaza. The UNGA has none.
 
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Wow... SO not shocked at all by this... (only been saying so for weeks).

"I would hope that people file all this information away. So the next time the politicians come out and talk about using this overwhelming force, it's acknowledged it doesn't work. It plays well for the cameras, but it doesn't actually solve the problem."

And that right there sums it all up.

Because no one WANTS to solve the problem.

Not Palestine.

Not Israel.

Not anyone else in the world.

"These types of conflicts are nothing more than PR campaigns with violence."

Israel will not win this 'war".

Palestine will not win this "war."

NO ONE fucking wins this war.

And honestly, I'm pretty sure that this is what people want; for this area to be in this constant cycle. Because it's not just about Palestine and Israel, but the rest of the world, too.

Like Nuttybutter, there is a scapegoat region of perpetual, on edge outrage, that can be had at a moment's notice. And that's why in all honesty I've been done with this entire situation for years. No one wants to resolve it, so why should it matter in the end what happens to anyone there? And before anyone says "But you support Hamas/Palestine"; no, I don't. I use it as a counter point to the pro-Israel stance, yes, but I don't support them at all. And had people argued the Hamas/Palestinian side, I'd be on the 'pro-Israel' side (like if Torchy posts drivel).

The people I feel worst for, are the civilians but even they, in the end, only help perpetuate this cycle so they're not so innocent either.