“Wokeness” in Canada and elsewhere…

petros

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“I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind ” ― John G. Diefenbaker (13th Prime Minister of Canada)
No you aren't.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Y'know, I don't like anti-Semites much. Don't think much of anti-Muslims either (or Muslims, for that matter).

Thing is, I don't fall silent when Klan, evangelicals, or good ol' boys start spouting their stuff either. And I don't search a media-created "movement" for the one or two reprehensible features of their media-created "program" and condemn the whole "movement" on that basis (whilst, of course, dismissing equally repulsive extremes on the other "side").

And the track record remains. No all-Black, all-Brown, all-female, or all-LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ legislature ever passed a law criminalizing WASPs or mandating discrimination against them.
 
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petros

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Y'know, I don't like anti-Semites much. Don't think much of anti-Muslims either (or Muslims, for that matter).

Thing is, I don't fall silent when Klan, evangelicals, or good ol' boys start spouting their stuff either. And I don't search a media-created "movement" for the one or two reprehensible features of their media-created "program" and condemn the whole "movement" on that basis (whilst, of course, dismissing equally repulsive extremes on the other "side").

And the track record remains. No all-Black, all-Brown, all-female, or all-LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ legislature ever passed a law criminalizing WASPs or mandating discrimination against them.
Catholics yes, WASPs no. What's your point?
 

Ron in Regina

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This one is just….odd. Interesting but odd.

The House of Representatives has passed a bill that ensures equal compensation for U.S. women competing in international events, a piece of legislation that came out of the United States women's soccer team's long battle to be paid as much as the men's team.

The Equal Pay for Team USA Act, passed late Wednesday, will require all athletes representing the United States in global competition to receive equal pay and benefits in their sport, regardless of gender. It covers America's 50-plus national sports and requires the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee to handle oversight.

Dozens of 15-year-old boys' soccer teams across the country have demanded equal pay to the women's national team, since they are competitive with the women and even beat them from time to time.

"It's only fair," said high-schooler Aiden Benton. "This is a clear case of sexism and age discrimination, that I get paid nothing to play and the women get a decent little paycheck."

"End pay discrimination now!" he added, clapping on each word for emphasis.

"The boy makes a really good point," said CNN reporter Holly Bandersnatch. "He clapped on each word, plus, he claimed sexism. It is only fair that the boys' team get paid the same as the world champions' women's team. You just can't argue with hand claps."

At publishing time, the women had made the counterargument that the 15-year-old boys' teams are smelly boys and should be stuffed in a locker somewhere.
 

petros

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This one is just….odd. Interesting but odd.

The House of Representatives has passed a bill that ensures equal compensation for U.S. women competing in international events, a piece of legislation that came out of the United States women's soccer team's long battle to be paid as much as the men's team.

The Equal Pay for Team USA Act, passed late Wednesday, will require all athletes representing the United States in global competition to receive equal pay and benefits in their sport, regardless of gender. It covers America's 50-plus national sports and requires the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee to handle oversight.

Dozens of 15-year-old boys' soccer teams across the country have demanded equal pay to the women's national team, since they are competitive with the women and even beat them from time to time.

"It's only fair," said high-schooler Aiden Benton. "This is a clear case of sexism and age discrimination, that I get paid nothing to play and the women get a decent little paycheck."

"End pay discrimination now!" he added, clapping on each word for emphasis.

"The boy makes a really good point," said CNN reporter Holly Bandersnatch. "He clapped on each word, plus, he claimed sexism. It is only fair that the boys' team get paid the same as the world champions' women's team. You just can't argue with hand claps."

At publishing time, the women had made the counterargument that the 15-year-old boys' teams are smelly boys and should be stuffed in a locker somewhere.
Sport was the last thing that was based on merit with everyone truly being equal.
 

Ron in Regina

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Would this be fair to assume that below is probably where are the majority of Canadians stand on a variety of issues???

A large majority of Canadians support same-sex marriage and believe gay and trans people should be treated fairly and with dignity. However, they are uncomfortable when children are exposed to drag-queen performances and sexually explicit literature pushing an ideological agenda. They don’t have trouble defining “woman,” which was beyond the ken of U.S. Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, when she was asked to do so during her confirmation hearing. They generally do not believe that men who transition should be allowed to compete with biological women in competitive sports. Most oppose surgery and puberty blockers for children and teenagers with gender dysphoria, especially without parental consent or even knowledge.

Canadians acknowledge that convicted prisoners should be treated humanely, but they give priority to victims’ rights, to which the government often seems indifferent. In that regard, the government’s acquiescence in Paul Bernardo’s move to a medium-security prison speaks volumes. The “catch-and-release” approach to bail for repeat violent offenders demonstrates that the justice system gives short shrift to public safety. Yet police-reported crime is on the rise, with violent crime at its highest level since 2007, which new Justice Minister Arif Virani has tried to deny.

Canadians are proud of our men and women in uniform and are embarrassed by well-founded accusations levelled at us by our allies for being a freeloader whose leader criticizes countries that do not live up to his virtue signalling. According to an Ipsos poll, “Three-quarters of Canadians believe Canada should increase its defence spending to ensure it can protect Canadian territory and sovereignty.”

Canadians generally do not support activists who tear down statues of prominent figures for alleged transgressions of contemporary norms. They recognize past instances of racism and discrimination and harmful treatment of Indigenous peoples. But they do not agree with the prime minister that Canada is systemically racist and committed genocide. Moreover, whether familiar or not with critical race theory, Canadians reject neo-Marxist doctrine that Caucasians are inevitably and irredeemably white supremacists and that people of colour are perpetual victims, irrespective of their personal histories and behaviour. Rather, they believe, with much supporting evidence, that Canada is a remarkably tolerant society, envied and admired for welcoming diversity.

Canadians worry about inflation and the national debt and wonder where all the public money went, with so little to show for it. They are aware we are steadily falling behind other developed countries, most obviously the U.S., but may not understand that on our current path our long-term prospects are also grim.

?????????
 

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Would this be fair to assume that below is probably where are the majority of Canadians stand on a variety of issues???

A large majority of Canadians support same-sex marriage and believe gay and trans people should be treated fairly and with dignity. However, they are uncomfortable when children are exposed to drag-queen performances and sexually explicit literature pushing an ideological agenda. They don’t have trouble defining “woman,” which was beyond the ken of U.S. Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, when she was asked to do so during her confirmation hearing. They generally do not believe that men who transition should be allowed to compete with biological women in competitive sports. Most oppose surgery and puberty blockers for children and teenagers with gender dysphoria, especially without parental consent or even knowledge.

Canadians acknowledge that convicted prisoners should be treated humanely, but they give priority to victims’ rights, to which the government often seems indifferent. In that regard, the government’s acquiescence in Paul Bernardo’s move to a medium-security prison speaks volumes. The “catch-and-release” approach to bail for repeat violent offenders demonstrates that the justice system gives short shrift to public safety. Yet police-reported crime is on the rise, with violent crime at its highest level since 2007, which new Justice Minister Arif Virani has tried to deny.

Canadians are proud of our men and women in uniform and are embarrassed by well-founded accusations levelled at us by our allies for being a freeloader whose leader criticizes countries that do not live up to his virtue signalling. According to an Ipsos poll, “Three-quarters of Canadians believe Canada should increase its defence spending to ensure it can protect Canadian territory and sovereignty.”

Canadians generally do not support activists who tear down statues of prominent figures for alleged transgressions of contemporary norms. They recognize past instances of racism and discrimination and harmful treatment of Indigenous peoples. But they do not agree with the prime minister that Canada is systemically racist and committed genocide. Moreover, whether familiar or not with critical race theory, Canadians reject neo-Marxist doctrine that Caucasians are inevitably and irredeemably white supremacists and that people of colour are perpetual victims, irrespective of their personal histories and behaviour. Rather, they believe, with much supporting evidence, that Canada is a remarkably tolerant society, envied and admired for welcoming diversity.

Canadians worry about inflation and the national debt and wonder where all the public money went, with so little to show for it. They are aware we are steadily falling behind other developed countries, most obviously the U.S., but may not understand that on our current path our long-term prospects are also grim.

?????????
Pretty much how I see it .
 

Serryah

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Oh please, Mahr has become what happens to a lot of old people: ( a lot, not all)

He's dove head first into being a right wing wackadoo all because he "doesn't get it". You know, the "GET OFF MY LAWN" screaming man types.

Just because HE doesn't get it, it's useless/pointless/wtf ever.

He does still make the valid argument from time to time, but lately he's more often becoming the kind of person he USED to make jokes about.
 

Serryah

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Would this be fair to assume that below is probably where are the majority of Canadians stand on a variety of issues???

A large majority of Canadians support same-sex marriage and believe gay and trans people should be treated fairly and with dignity. However, they are uncomfortable when children are exposed to drag-queen performances and sexually explicit literature pushing an ideological agenda. They don’t have trouble defining “woman,” which was beyond the ken of U.S. Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, when she was asked to do so during her confirmation hearing. They generally do not believe that men who transition should be allowed to compete with biological women in competitive sports. Most oppose surgery and puberty blockers for children and teenagers with gender dysphoria, especially without parental consent or even knowledge.

Canadians acknowledge that convicted prisoners should be treated humanely, but they give priority to victims’ rights, to which the government often seems indifferent. In that regard, the government’s acquiescence in Paul Bernardo’s move to a medium-security prison speaks volumes. The “catch-and-release” approach to bail for repeat violent offenders demonstrates that the justice system gives short shrift to public safety. Yet police-reported crime is on the rise, with violent crime at its highest level since 2007, which new Justice Minister Arif Virani has tried to deny.

Canadians are proud of our men and women in uniform and are embarrassed by well-founded accusations levelled at us by our allies for being a freeloader whose leader criticizes countries that do not live up to his virtue signalling. According to an Ipsos poll, “Three-quarters of Canadians believe Canada should increase its defence spending to ensure it can protect Canadian territory and sovereignty.”

Canadians generally do not support activists who tear down statues of prominent figures for alleged transgressions of contemporary norms. They recognize past instances of racism and discrimination and harmful treatment of Indigenous peoples. But they do not agree with the prime minister that Canada is systemically racist and committed genocide. Moreover, whether familiar or not with critical race theory, Canadians reject neo-Marxist doctrine that Caucasians are inevitably and irredeemably white supremacists and that people of colour are perpetual victims, irrespective of their personal histories and behaviour. Rather, they believe, with much supporting evidence, that Canada is a remarkably tolerant society, envied and admired for welcoming diversity.

Canadians worry about inflation and the national debt and wonder where all the public money went, with so little to show for it. They are aware we are steadily falling behind other developed countries, most obviously the U.S., but may not understand that on our current path our long-term prospects are also grim.

?????????

"While entrenched cultural beliefs and ideological fads are resistant to facts and reason, there is hope for a return to normalcy."

Uh huh. And what, pray tell, is this "normalcy" that Mr. Oliver who served under Harper wants us to return to?

I might agree with some of what he said above, but then there's a lot that's just typical right wing fucking ignorance. Or unwillingness to admit that things just might be a certain way because if they did that, they'd lose the narrative and their excuse to be butthurt whiney bitches.
 

Ron in Regina

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Oh please, Mahr has become what happens to a lot of old people: ( a lot, not all)

He's dove head first into being a right wing wackadoo all because he "doesn't get it". You know, the "GET OFF MY LAWN" screaming man types.

Just because HE doesn't get it, it's useless/pointless/wtf ever.

He does still make the valid argument from time to time, but lately he's more often becoming the kind of person he USED to make jokes about.
He’s a comedian-ish type persona. He’s got to be somewhat edgy and controversial for ratings. Is he wrong in what he’s regurgitating in his monologue from his writers though?
 

Ron in Regina

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"While entrenched cultural beliefs and ideological fads are resistant to facts and reason, there is hope for a return to normalcy."

Uh huh. And what, pray tell, is this "normalcy" that Mr. Oliver who served under Harper wants us to return to?

I might agree with some of what he said above, but then there's a lot that's just typical right wing fucking ignorance. Or unwillingness to admit that things just might be a certain way because if they did that, they'd lose the narrative and their excuse to be butthurt whiney bitches.
OK, good question with respect to how normalcy is defined:
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If the majority of people are bat shit crazy, then bat shit crazy would be normal, right?

For the majority of society, what is normal?
 

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"While entrenched cultural beliefs and ideological fads are resistant to facts and reason, there is hope for a return to normalcy."

Uh huh. And what, pray tell, is this "normalcy" that Mr. Oliver who served under Harper wants us to return to?

I might agree with some of what he said above, but then there's a lot that's just typical right wing fucking ignorance. Or unwillingness to admit that things just might be a certain way because if they did that, they'd lose the narrative and their excuse to be butthurt whiney bitches.
If they quit shoving it in our face maybe more respect would come their way .
 

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It's all relative.
If you have opinions which are far left of centre, that seems normal to you. Even a centered balanced position can seem like right wing ignorance.
If you have opinions which are far right of centre, that seems normal to you. Even a centered balanced position can seem like left wing pinko hogwash.
If you have opinions which are balanced, then everybody seems fucking crazy.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Hits most of the nails for me also.
Me too. Though I wonder that this guy felt the need to take a shot at a brand-new justice on a supreme court in a different country. By the way, here's a hint: Justice Jackson's "ken" is significantly beyond M Oliver's, as demonstrated by the fact that he's a has-been minister of a second-rate country, and she's a highly respected jurist on the top court of the largest, richest, most powerful country on the planet. He also apparently doesn't have the "ken" to grasp that Justice Jackson was refusing to answer a set-up question from a hyper-right senator who had already declared her unalterable opposition to Justice Jackson, and was simply playing to the crowd to score points.

I further question what year you, Ron in Regina, would think of as "normalcy" (the word is "normality." "Normalcy" was a gaffe by Presidential candidate Warren Harding, not the sharpest tool in the shed (though definitely a tool) in 1920). Seriously, what's "normal" in your mind? What year is your touchstone for when Canada (or maybe the U.S. M Oliver doesn't seem to understand the difference) was "normal?"
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It's all relative.
If you have opinions which are far left of centre, that seems normal to you. Even a centered balanced position can seem like right wing ignorance.
If you have opinions which are far right of centre, that seems normal to you. Even a centered balanced position can seem like left wing pinko hogwash.
If you have opinions which are balanced, then everybody seems fucking crazy.
Or at least a bit obsessed. . .
 
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He’s a comedian-ish type persona. He’s got to be somewhat edgy and controversial for ratings. Is he wrong in what he’s regurgitating in his monologue from his writers though?

He's wrong, because they're not just writers, they're HIS writers, so they take his thoughts and make it into the monologue. And he still gets the final "say" as it were if it's used.

Maher was always controversial, before he was controversial to the right being he was "Liberal" or at least Libertarian.

Now he's the opposite.

It's not just ratings, he genuinely believes this stuff so it's beyond ratings.

People change, that's fine, but he's got this platform based on his previous "Liberal" beliefs that he's now giving the finger to and he's slowly heading to Crazy Town.