Well, at least we know Wendy got through another month without getting pregnant.
High school student suspended, arrested for saying only 2 genders (Canada)
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Really? Those are the only letters and order I've ever seen. Try a search argument like "how many genders" you'll see that the weight of professional opinion is with me, though there are disagreements on the actual number. That's what convinced me there are more than two. Those who argue there are only two are generally either basing their arguments on religious dogma, which to me invalidates it, or equating gender with biological sex, which isn't right either. The latter is generally assigned at birth based on the genitals, the former is largely socially constructed, but that doesn't mean it isn't real, just ask people who don't identify as male or female. Even biological sex can be a bit problematic, there are people for instance with generally female body contours like breasts and rounded hips and male genitals.
If there were more than two there wouldn't be a need to differentiate between "biological males and females" Vs soup.
All that is sexual orientation, not gender. Just the alphabet people keep changing the definitions to suit their mental disorders.
Not in the least. If they want to call themselves something they are not, fine. But don't demand the rest of us blindly conform. And most especially don't let teachers push the BS on students.
With knowledge comes change; that includes what gender is and how complicated it is.
You're assuming people are calling themselves something they're not, when it comes to this topic. Are you saying that I, for instance, am not gender fluid? If so, then I'd like for you to explain to me how it is you know that when you don't know SFA about me at all?
As for 'blindly conforming' why not, you're demanding that anyone that isn't straight blindly conform to YOUR demands of what gender is... what makes your demands more valid?
Also, teaching kids that there are, rightly, more to people than just the "normal" male/female, straight, Christian good-guys is the purpose of teachers. Don't want kids educated in reality, keep your kids at home and deny them that reality. Otherwise; get over it.
You have got to be kidding. The you'll see that the weight of professional opinion is not with you in the slightest.
First - the list keeps growing and different lists are used all the time even after other lists come out. There's no consensus, zero consistency other than they all tend to include lgbq. First it started with just LGB. Then it became LGBQ
Then there's LGBTQIA+ as seen here:
Defining LGBTQIA+
LGBTQIA+ is an abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, asexual, and more. These terms are used to describe a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.
gaycenter.org
Or how about LGBTQIA2+? Picked up another letter there
The LGBTQIA2+ Community: Our Pronouns, When and How To Use Them
sites.austincc.edu
or LGBTQ2, or a dozen other combinations some longer some shorter.
Or my personal favorite - LGBTQQIAAP. Sounds like they were studdering when they came up with it.
In fact - a quick google search as you recommend comes up with an entire page were almost all of the acronyms used are different.
So. Care to explain how you determined that yours was 'definitive'? In fact - nothing could be further from the truth.
So either they're "discovering" new genders which have never existed before on an almost weekly basis while arguing over whether previously discovered ones were real or not.. OR .. they're kind of making up titles and labels that are largely meaningless on the fly.
And then we're back to the definition of 'gender'. "Gay" is not a gender. Gay simply describes a male being attracted to a male. Being attracted to a male is a female gender trait. So all you're talking about is a male with a female gender trait. But ALL males have SOME female gender traits.
A transsexual is a person who's gender identity and perception of their sex is different than they're biological. So - a boy who thinks he/she is a girl, but has a boy's body. Well - then their gender is primarily female, like any other female. Their sex is male, just like any other male. So where's this magic new gender?
You can't just "identify" as a gender. Either genders are real and can be defined or not.
Here you go - I now identify as invisible. I'm Trans-parent. My pronouns are Who? And Where?
Does that make sense? Will you now indulge me by wandering around pretending not to know where my voice is coming from? Will you chastize others for not respecting my human rights if they bump into me.
That would NOT be a gender issue. It WOULD most likely be a mental health issue and that's a real and serious thing but it doesn't make that 'gender' real.
Straw man fallacy. I never claimed it was definitive, in fact I clearly indicated there's a variety of different claims about names and numbers, it's just an argument I accepted as seeming reasonable given all the information I was able to find about it.
I’m….behind. Life & work. I had to google a definition of “Cake Gender” & it’s a thing. They even have three different flags (depending on the flavour layers).
Cupcakegender is a subset of cakegender, where one has multiple smaller sweet genders, like cupcakes, coming together to form one big cake as the gender.
Cupcakegender was coined on March 21, 2019 by anonymous via Tumblr user nebularomantic. The flag was created on March 27, 2019 by nebularomatic.
www.lgbtqia.wiki
Cupcakegender is a subset of cakegender, where one has multiple smaller sweet genders, like cupcakes, coming together to form one big cake as the gender.
Cupcakegender was coined on March 21, 2019 by anonymous via Tumblr user nebularomantic. The flag was created on March 27, 2019 by nebularomatic.
Cakegender - LGBTQIA+ Wiki
Cakegender is a gastrogender that is related to cake which is soft and fluffy like cake. It can also be sweet or warm. Cakegender can also come in different "flavors...
You absolutely did - you claimed that "that the weight of professional opinion" supported your definition. That's pretty much what definitive means, the experts agree on it.
But that turned out to be incorrect. So the 'experts' do not agree on it at all. In fact nobody does.
Which was my point. These "Genders" are so poorly and ineffably defined that nobody can even agree on what they are. In fact there are claims that it's as high as 81 seperate genders. And probably those who claim even more than that. Yet none are really genders as near as i can tell unless you get pretty screwy with the definition of gender.
And i notice you're not able to address that simple point. lets go back to the 'gay' and "trans" "Genders" we discussed - those two are often kicked around as different 'genders'. But - if we're using the fairly standard definition of gender it's still just male and female gender traits. So - where is this third or fourth gender?
If you can't answer that reasonably then you really have no argument other than 'muh feels' which just isn't good enough if you're going to talk about gender rights and gender respect.
No that's not what definitive means, it means the fixed and final answer. There's quite a range of expert opinion on this, but general agreement that there are more than two.
Try this if you're not going to accept anything *I* say:
Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression
Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
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Felicia won't accept that either.No that's not what definitive means, it means the fixed and final answer. There's quite a range of expert opinion on this, but general agreement that there are more than two.
Try this if you're not going to accept anything *I* say:
Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression
Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here.
Experts? What genders are they?No that's not what definitive means, it means the fixed and final answer. There's quite a range of expert opinion on this, but general agreement that there are more than two.
Try this if you're not going to accept anything *I* say:
Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression
Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here.
Yeah I know, I can provide dozens of references that make the same point, even the mighty Mayo Clinic agrees with my understanding, but I think this exchange has got to the pointless stage of automatically gainsaying everything I say and saying I made claims that I didn't.