I was going to tell him the same thing until I saw your reply. The man is an idiot with delusions of grandeur! Any law abiding, responsible person over a certain age is allow to own and shoot a gun.
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I was going to tell him the same thing until I saw your reply. The man is an idiot with delusions of grandeur! Any law abiding, responsible person over a certain age is allow to own and shoot a gun.
There are also natural rights. If someone was choking me, it is only natural to fight back, and yes it is my right
Correct. Blackstone said "Self-defence is a right that predates all positive law." And the law says, in several contexts, that outlawing or withholding the means to effectively exercise a right is tanatamount to denying the right (e.g., saying "we have freedom of the press" whilst outlawing possession of paper and ink).
And for self-defence and other violent action, nothing beats a gun. This was settled long ago, and is the reason no army or police force in the world is armed with swords or bows.
Absolutely! if you look back at the historical significance of land ownership and firearms ownership we could easily fall into a discussion of what it means to be free.
I think that is partly what hoid is alluding to. It is permitted by government as opposed to a constitutional right. Therefore in his peabrain the government can take away that permission any time they like. The problem with that is it does interfere with some charter rights. If OntariOWE and Quebec didn't control the vote we would not be having this problem.
We don't truly own our land in Canada either. Just don't pay your protection money to the government for three years and see what happens.
Because people are allowed to own everything the army is allowed to own
Ottawa seeking private consultant to design, run firearm buyback program
Liberal government outlawed over 1,500 types of 'assault-style' weapons in May
The Canadian Press · Posted: Aug 12, 2020 5:47 PM ET | Last Updated: August 12
A restricted gun licence holder holds a AR-15 at his home in Langley, B.C., on May 1. The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms. (Jonathan Hayward/The Canadian Press)
The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms.
Public Safety Canada has invited 15 consulting firms to come up with a "range of options and approaches" for the planned program to compensate gun owners.
The Liberals outlawed a wide range of firearms in May, saying the guns were designed for the battlefield, not hunting or sport shooting.
The ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style weapons, meaning they can no longer be legally used, sold or imported.
In announcing the ban, the government proposed a program that would allow current owners to receive compensation for turning in the designated firearms or keep them through an exemption process yet to be worked out.
Sport shooters, firearm rights advocates and some Conservative MPs have questioned the value of the measures in fighting crime.
The group PolySeSouvient, a leading proponent of stricter gun control, has argued that allowing owners of recently banned firearms to keep them would make it easier for a different government to simply reverse the ban in future.
Mary-Liz Power, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, said in mid-May the coming buyback program would be "fair and effective" but she did not provide details.
A spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada said the options that emerge from the selected contractor "may be incorporated into a final program. Costs will be available once a provider is selected."
The first phase of the newly posted federal tender would require the successful bidder to consult with other federal agencies, possibly other levels of government and industry experts to devise options that include:
The invited bidders include well-known firms such as Deloitte, IBM Canada, KPMG and Pricewaterhouse Coopers, though the department has not ruled out other possible parties.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-buyback-program-consultant-1.5684136
The Liberals are outsourcing another multi-billion dollar program?
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Besides, of course, more Liberal buddies getting rich off my tax dollars.
Liberal government outlawed over 1,500 types of 'assault-style' weapons in May
The Canadian Press · Posted: Aug 12, 2020 5:47 PM ET | Last Updated: August 12
A restricted gun licence holder holds a AR-15 at his home in Langley, B.C., on May 1. The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms. (Jonathan Hayward/The Canadian Press)
The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms.
Public Safety Canada has invited 15 consulting firms to come up with a "range of options and approaches" for the planned program to compensate gun owners.
The Liberals outlawed a wide range of firearms in May, saying the guns were designed for the battlefield, not hunting or sport shooting.
The ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style weapons, meaning they can no longer be legally used, sold or imported.
In announcing the ban, the government proposed a program that would allow current owners to receive compensation for turning in the designated firearms or keep them through an exemption process yet to be worked out.
Sport shooters, firearm rights advocates and some Conservative MPs have questioned the value of the measures in fighting crime.
The group PolySeSouvient, a leading proponent of stricter gun control, has argued that allowing owners of recently banned firearms to keep them would make it easier for a different government to simply reverse the ban in future.
Mary-Liz Power, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, said in mid-May the coming buyback program would be "fair and effective" but she did not provide details.
A spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada said the options that emerge from the selected contractor "may be incorporated into a final program. Costs will be available once a provider is selected."
The first phase of the newly posted federal tender would require the successful bidder to consult with other federal agencies, possibly other levels of government and industry experts to devise options that include:
- Compensation plans for each affected firearm.
- Analysis of benefits and risks associated with each compensation model.
- Identification of "other considerations" that might affect the feasibility of each approach.
The invited bidders include well-known firms such as Deloitte, IBM Canada, KPMG and Pricewaterhouse Coopers, though the department has not ruled out other possible parties.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-buyback-program-consultant-1.5684136
The Liberals are outsourcing another multi-billion dollar program?
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Besides, of course, more Liberal buddies getting rich off my tax dollars.
A free man has the right to be armed. And, if you are being disarmed, you are no longer free.
If you don't see that, and understand that then I suggest that you don't spend another minute trying to understand it.
It's almost like I had an entire conversation with you, but you made it all up.
Which does have the advantage of being WAAAAAAY easier on me, so, y'know, carry on.
Yeah, maybe.
The collection of the weapons will be incredibly expensive. Think about it. They'll have to set up collection depots, and man them with police officer..........thousands upon thousands of them.
We'll get into the billions of dollars.
These people are idiots.
Buying them back?Ottawa seeking private consultant to design, run firearm buyback program
Liberal government outlawed over 1,500 types of 'assault-style' weapons in May
The Canadian Press · Posted: Aug 12, 2020 5:47 PM ET | Last Updated: August 12
A restricted gun licence holder holds a AR-15 at his home in Langley, B.C., on May 1. The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms. (Jonathan Hayward/The Canadian Press)
The federal government is turning to the private sector to design and run a massive buyback of newly prohibited firearms.
Public Safety Canada has invited 15 consulting firms to come up with a "range of options and approaches" for the planned program to compensate gun owners.
The Liberals outlawed a wide range of firearms in May, saying the guns were designed for the battlefield, not hunting or sport shooting.
The ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style weapons, meaning they can no longer be legally used, sold or imported.
In announcing the ban, the government proposed a program that would allow current owners to receive compensation for turning in the designated firearms or keep them through an exemption process yet to be worked out.
Sport shooters, firearm rights advocates and some Conservative MPs have questioned the value of the measures in fighting crime.
The group PolySeSouvient, a leading proponent of stricter gun control, has argued that allowing owners of recently banned firearms to keep them would make it easier for a different government to simply reverse the ban in future.
Mary-Liz Power, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, said in mid-May the coming buyback program would be "fair and effective" but she did not provide details.
A spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada said the options that emerge from the selected contractor "may be incorporated into a final program. Costs will be available once a provider is selected."
The first phase of the newly posted federal tender would require the successful bidder to consult with other federal agencies, possibly other levels of government and industry experts to devise options that include:
The first phase of the work is expected to be complete by the end of March. The second phase would involve implementing the chosen option.
- Compensation plans for each affected firearm.
- Analysis of benefits and risks associated with each compensation model.
- Identification of "other considerations" that might affect the feasibility of each approach.
The invited bidders include well-known firms such as Deloitte, IBM Canada, KPMG and Pricewaterhouse Coopers, though the department has not ruled out other possible parties.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-buyback-program-consultant-1.5684136
The Liberals are outsourcing another multi-billion dollar program?
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Besides, of course, more Liberal buddies getting rich off my tax dollars.
I thought they were grabbing them?
A little from column A and a little from column B perhaps. I wonder how close to fair market value this buyback Will be....because if the gun owners didn’t want these firearms in the first place...they wouldn’t have bought them, legally, in the first place. I very much doubt that many of these firearms owners want to sell their belongings to the government, And I’m assuming if it’s $.10 on the dollar they would want to sell them to the government even less than not at all. I am also assuming that these firearms owners are not going to get the choice of saying “thank you but no thank you” with respect to whatever dollar figure for their possessions that whatever government agent comes up with, if it’s not sufficient with respect to its true value....
Matt Gurney: The Liberals' mounting firearms problem
The Liberals may not wish to be seen talking much about the gun ban over the next few years, as the Nova Scotia shooting inquiry, based on what we already know, could make for an awkward accompaniment
Author of the article:
Matt Gurney
Publishing date:
Aug 12, 2020 • Last Updated 2 days ago • 5 minute read
Police display a cache of illegal weapons that were seized from a home in Kelowna, B.C., in 2007. Handout PhotoThe federal Liberal government may find itself a victim of unfortunate timing: it will be defending its bogus “assault weapons ban” in court just as a public inquiry offers up evidence that such a ban isn’t aimed at the right target.The May 1 order-in-council that banned several types of rifles — some with numerous variants, all of which were previously legal to own and some of which are owned in significant quantities — is now subject to a series of lawsuits. The National Post reported this week that the suits may be combined into one constitutional challenge. Alberta and Saskatchewan may intervene, as well.
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Even if the Liberals are found to be on sound legal footing (given their broad authority in these matters, don’t be shocked if this happens), they’ll find themselves on the defensive for as long as the case takes to resolve.
In the main, the Liberals probably don’t mind that. The ban is inherently for show, a bit of performance art for the benefit of their urban base. Indeed, the Liberal assault weapon ban isn’t either of those things — it doesn’t target assault weapons (those are already banned), or even ban them (government comments to date suggest that existing owners are likely to be allowed to keep their firearms, just not acquire new ones, but will face new restrictions on how they are used).
Since most Canadians know little about our firearms laws, every time some prominent Liberal gets in front of a microphone and says “assault weapons ban,” Canadians who don’t actually have the first clue how our gun-control system works or what an assault weapon is (and is not) will nod and feel better about life. They won’t realize that the ban will spend a ton of money without meaningfully improving public safety, but as ever, what they don’t know (probably) won’t hurt them. (The handgun ban proposal is even more dumb, but that’s another column.)
Yet there is a danger to the government here. The Liberals may not wish to be seen talking much about the ban over the next few years, as the Nova Scotia shooting inquiry, based on what we already know, could make for an awkward accompaniment.
A key part of our gun-control system is the ability to, if necessary, remove guns from licenced individuals. Such a system will never be perfect, but in theory, at least, it offers police a chance to step in and disarm an individual ahead of a tragedy. Based on what we already know about April’s mass killing in Nova Scotia, the attacker was a walking, talking red flag. Law enforcement had reportedly been tipped off repeatedly that the attacker was dangerous and had a cache of illegal guns.
None of this has yet been definitively established — the attacker was killed by police during the incident, so he will never be tried. But the information was gathered by police during their initial investigation into the incident, and if the upcoming inquiry confirms it to be accurate, it suggests a shocking failure by the RCMP to intervene, despite ample warning, before a massacre. This would not be convenient for the Liberals.
The problem is this: critics of the ban are entirely right when they say that what the Liberals propose misses the mark. Canada’s millions of licenced gun owners commit very few crimes with their firearms. Any effort to crack down on them is largely wasted effort from a perspective of improving public safety.
That’s not to say the existing system couldn’t be improved; surely it can. But Canada’s gun control system already does a good job doing what it’s supposed to do — licencing, registering and regulating the millions of legal owners and their firearms. The gun control system is useless, however, when dealing with gangs and organized crime that bring in their guns from outside the country, which is believed by police to represent a majority of the firearms used in crime here (in some locations, the overwhelming majority).
As I’ve noted in previous columns, Toronto, despite a rash of shootings in recent years, doesn’t have a gun control problem. The gun control system is working just fine within its area of responsibility: the lawful ownership, storage, repair, sale and use of legally owned firearms. Toronto has a gang and organized crime problem.
Expecting the gun control system to solve those problems is bonkers. It can’t, and won’t. It’s the wrong tool for that job. Responding to Toronto’s gang problem with more gun control is like sending in a dentist to fix your toilet, and when that fails, concluding that your failure was in sending too few dentists.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-the-liberals-mounting-firearms-problem
The Liberals may not wish to be seen talking much about the gun ban over the next few years, as the Nova Scotia shooting inquiry, based on what we already know, could make for an awkward accompaniment
Author of the article:
Matt Gurney
Publishing date:
Aug 12, 2020 • Last Updated 2 days ago • 5 minute read
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Even if the Liberals are found to be on sound legal footing (given their broad authority in these matters, don’t be shocked if this happens), they’ll find themselves on the defensive for as long as the case takes to resolve.
In the main, the Liberals probably don’t mind that. The ban is inherently for show, a bit of performance art for the benefit of their urban base. Indeed, the Liberal assault weapon ban isn’t either of those things — it doesn’t target assault weapons (those are already banned), or even ban them (government comments to date suggest that existing owners are likely to be allowed to keep their firearms, just not acquire new ones, but will face new restrictions on how they are used).
Since most Canadians know little about our firearms laws, every time some prominent Liberal gets in front of a microphone and says “assault weapons ban,” Canadians who don’t actually have the first clue how our gun-control system works or what an assault weapon is (and is not) will nod and feel better about life. They won’t realize that the ban will spend a ton of money without meaningfully improving public safety, but as ever, what they don’t know (probably) won’t hurt them. (The handgun ban proposal is even more dumb, but that’s another column.)
Yet there is a danger to the government here. The Liberals may not wish to be seen talking much about the ban over the next few years, as the Nova Scotia shooting inquiry, based on what we already know, could make for an awkward accompaniment.
A key part of our gun-control system is the ability to, if necessary, remove guns from licenced individuals. Such a system will never be perfect, but in theory, at least, it offers police a chance to step in and disarm an individual ahead of a tragedy. Based on what we already know about April’s mass killing in Nova Scotia, the attacker was a walking, talking red flag. Law enforcement had reportedly been tipped off repeatedly that the attacker was dangerous and had a cache of illegal guns.
None of this has yet been definitively established — the attacker was killed by police during the incident, so he will never be tried. But the information was gathered by police during their initial investigation into the incident, and if the upcoming inquiry confirms it to be accurate, it suggests a shocking failure by the RCMP to intervene, despite ample warning, before a massacre. This would not be convenient for the Liberals.
The problem is this: critics of the ban are entirely right when they say that what the Liberals propose misses the mark. Canada’s millions of licenced gun owners commit very few crimes with their firearms. Any effort to crack down on them is largely wasted effort from a perspective of improving public safety.
That’s not to say the existing system couldn’t be improved; surely it can. But Canada’s gun control system already does a good job doing what it’s supposed to do — licencing, registering and regulating the millions of legal owners and their firearms. The gun control system is useless, however, when dealing with gangs and organized crime that bring in their guns from outside the country, which is believed by police to represent a majority of the firearms used in crime here (in some locations, the overwhelming majority).
As I’ve noted in previous columns, Toronto, despite a rash of shootings in recent years, doesn’t have a gun control problem. The gun control system is working just fine within its area of responsibility: the lawful ownership, storage, repair, sale and use of legally owned firearms. Toronto has a gang and organized crime problem.
Expecting the gun control system to solve those problems is bonkers. It can’t, and won’t. It’s the wrong tool for that job. Responding to Toronto’s gang problem with more gun control is like sending in a dentist to fix your toilet, and when that fails, concluding that your failure was in sending too few dentists.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-the-liberals-mounting-firearms-problem
Not too sure about that last part. When I worked at CFB Comox I once saw an officer wondering down the hall in HQ carrying a sword. But then successive Liberal governments have really put a squeeze on our armed forces.
They are. It is like "volunteering" in the army.
Still wondering who gets possession if I am buying back my guns with my money?
I believe that the supreme court of canada made a ruling that a right is not immediately extinguished with a law. I'm sure this will come up in the future challenges.