Yes let's wrap it up by ignoring the main conclusion.
That is some excellent peer review there.
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Can a .410 Shotgun be a “Variant”
of an AK-47?
Canada really needs a legal definition of the word “variant” as it applies to firearms.
In addition to the list of 12-gauge shotguns https://cssa-cila.org/billblairlied/ banned through Bill Blair’s Order In Council, we discovered the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) is continuing to operate under a very Liberal interpretation of the term “variant”.
Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 classified the AK-47 as a Prohibited firearm. The specific language reads:
“ The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it …”
On May 14th, the CFP reclassified the Saiga 410C Semi-Automatic Shotgun as a Prohibited firearm because its plastic stock vaguely resembles the infamous Soviet rifle. [ii]
This kind of nonsense shows why this term must be defined in law as long as law continues to use these kinds of descriptives.
In 2016, (retired) Conservative MP Larry Miller introduced Private Member’s Bill C-230 [iii] , An Act to amend the Criminal Code ( firearm — definition of variant ), specifically to prevent this sort of abuse of Canada’s firearm classification system.
Bill C-230 defined variant as:
variant , in respect of a firearm, means a firearm that has the unmodified frame or receiver of another firearm.
In other words, unless a gun could accept parts from a Prohibited firearm, it could not be defined as a variant of that firearm.
For example, a shotgun with a stock designed to resemble an AK-47 (the Saiga 410C, for example) would not make it a “variant” of the AK-47.
Any rational definition of “variant” – when applied to firearms - would mean a firearm must share common parts with a Prohibited firearm. By the RCMP’s current definition, every car on the road would be a variant of a Ford Model T.
The RCMP Canadian Firearms Program lost sight of common sense and rationality decades ago and, under Minister Bill Blair’s dubious leadership, the CFP is torquing language to mean whatever their boss wants it to mean.
The operation of RCMP Specialized Support Services (firearms lab) needs an overhaul in the biggest way. When this tiresome Liberal government changes, we hope a significant re-vamp is in the tea leaves for the new government.
Sources:
https://cssa-cila.org/billblairlied/ https://cssa-cila.org/billblairlied/
[ii] https://s3.amazonaws.com/CSSA/Images/Banned-By-OIC/Saiga-410C-Semi-Automatic-Shotgun.png
[iii] https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-230/first-reading
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Phuck you're an arsehole, even for a troll.
Here's the full quote:
It’s true “gun control methods to reduce suicide by firearms may have benefits”—but only in reducing suicide by firearms, not overall.
Do you really think someone committing suicide is more dead if they use a gun than if they use a rope or a high bridge?
The order in council the liberals just brought out does nothing to address that, even though the implication they promote is that it does.
No, Dimwit, I don't expect gun control measures to reduce suicide by hanging.
But if gun control does not reduce suicide overall, as indicated by the part you left out; it has achieved absolutely nothing, and is not acceptable as a limit on our liberty.
Although I do not really care, because a person taking a gun and shooting themselves on purpose, of their free will, is no reason to restrict anyone's freedom.
Do you ask a drunk driver to get back in their vehicle and pull it into a safer parking place? ...To me, it is clear that these firearms are not a danger otherwise the liberal government wouldn't impose a 2 year amnesty on them.
Limit on our liberty?
Move down south with that bullshit.
Canadians have no constitutional right to own guns.
Period.
Anyone who doesn't doesn't believe it is uneducated.
Educate yourself.
Is gun ownership a legal right in Canada?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/is-gun-ownership-a-legal-right-in-canada-1.2723893
1993 Supreme Court decision concluded Canadians have no constitutional right to bear arms
Alberta
Alberta became a hot-bed of pro-firearms and right-wing politics and began the impetus for changes to gun laws across the nation. In 2012, after the Vancouver shooting, Alberta's premier Joseph Mackenzie issued a proposal for Alberta to liberalize its gun laws. After scrutiny by the RCMP and Canadian gun control advocates, Mackenzie radicalized his proposal into completely opting out of the Canadian Firearms Program. In 2013, Alberta successfully opted-out of the Canadian Firearms Program and chose to independently administer firearms legislation - becoming the first province to exercise that constitutional right. This resulted in the mandatory transfer of firearms owners records from the RCMP to the Alberta Provincial Police, with the exception of gun dealers. In Section Three of Alberta's Provincial Criminal Code, it states, "The law-abiding citizen has no duty to retreat against threats to life, liberty and property, in defense of oneself, or another." Alberta, being Canada's main center of Conservative and Christian right politics, contains a strong gun culture. After a series of provincial and controversial court rulings, Alberta legalized Stand Your Ground and Castle doctrine laws, allowing citizens to use firearms in defense of property and life without legal prosecution. After the Alberta flood seizure of thousands of legally-stored firearms, Alberta's premier passed a new law giving Alberta's inhabitants the legal right to open fire on law enforcement trying to seize their firearms without a lawful warrant. It also would charge law enforcement a $15,000 fine, who try to confiscate firearms without a legal warrant. Mackenzie also enacted a reimbursement and compensation program for owners of those confiscated firearms. While Authorization to Transport (ATTs) are issued in Alberta, they are not required to transport firearms to a gun range or a farm. As for Authorization to Carry, Alberta became the first "shall issue" province, given to that applicant does not have any mental illness that could threaten the community. Restricted Firearms do not require registration in Alberta, however, Prohibited Firearms do. No license is required to purchase ammunition in Alberta. Because of these laws, Alberta often receives lots of political scrutiny from Liberals and other mainstream Canadian politicians. Some Canadians have suggested and lobbied for the RCMP to begin using deadly force if Alberta did not stop loosening gun laws. There have even been attempts in Alberta to strip the RCMP of its policing authority in the province.
Justin Trudeau, of the Liberal Party introduced a bill which would allow the RCMP to require all provinces to partake in the Canadian Firearms Program. The bill was struck down in court as "unconstitutional" on many grounds. Trudeau and the Liberals also accused Alberta and Joseph Mackenzie of adopting American influence.
Firearms in Alberta are managed and regulated by the Alberta Firearms Department (AFD) of the Alberta Provincial Police. Alberta hosts many gun and knife shows in Canada, and gun ownership is estimated to be at 56% in Alberta. PAL's in Alberta are also independently issued by the APP. However, they are not legal outside of Alberta, and those wishing to purchase firearms in other provinces must attain an RCMP-issued PAL. Though the RCMP may still attain and request information from the APD, normally this is done for statistical research. click here for more
Alberta became a hot-bed of pro-firearms and right-wing politics and began the impetus for changes to gun laws across the nation. In 2012, after the Vancouver shooting, Alberta's premier Joseph Mackenzie issued a proposal for Alberta to liberalize its gun laws. After scrutiny by the RCMP and Canadian gun control advocates, Mackenzie radicalized his proposal into completely opting out of the Canadian Firearms Program. In 2013, Alberta successfully opted-out of the Canadian Firearms Program and chose to independently administer firearms legislation - becoming the first province to exercise that constitutional right. This resulted in the mandatory transfer of firearms owners records from the RCMP to the Alberta Provincial Police, with the exception of gun dealers. In Section Three of Alberta's Provincial Criminal Code, it states, "The law-abiding citizen has no duty to retreat against threats to life, liberty and property, in defense of oneself, or another." Alberta, being Canada's main center of Conservative and Christian right politics, contains a strong gun culture. After a series of provincial and controversial court rulings, Alberta legalized Stand Your Ground and Castle doctrine laws, allowing citizens to use firearms in defense of property and life without legal prosecution. After the Alberta flood seizure of thousands of legally-stored firearms, Alberta's premier passed a new law giving Alberta's inhabitants the legal right to open fire on law enforcement trying to seize their firearms without a lawful warrant. It also would charge law enforcement a $15,000 fine, who try to confiscate firearms without a legal warrant. Mackenzie also enacted a reimbursement and compensation program for owners of those confiscated firearms. While Authorization to Transport (ATTs) are issued in Alberta, they are not required to transport firearms to a gun range or a farm. As for Authorization to Carry, Alberta became the first "shall issue" province, given to that applicant does not have any mental illness that could threaten the community. Restricted Firearms do not require registration in Alberta, however, Prohibited Firearms do. No license is required to purchase ammunition in Alberta. Because of these laws, Alberta often receives lots of political scrutiny from Liberals and other mainstream Canadian politicians. Some Canadians have suggested and lobbied for the RCMP to begin using deadly force if Alberta did not stop loosening gun laws. There have even been attempts in Alberta to strip the RCMP of its policing authority in the province.
Justin Trudeau, of the Liberal Party introduced a bill which would allow the RCMP to require all provinces to partake in the Canadian Firearms Program. The bill was struck down in court as "unconstitutional" on many grounds. Trudeau and the Liberals also accused Alberta and Joseph Mackenzie of adopting American influence.
Firearms in Alberta are managed and regulated by the Alberta Firearms Department (AFD) of the Alberta Provincial Police. Alberta hosts many gun and knife shows in Canada, and gun ownership is estimated to be at 56% in Alberta. PAL's in Alberta are also independently issued by the APP. However, they are not legal outside of Alberta, and those wishing to purchase firearms in other provinces must attain an RCMP-issued PAL. Though the RCMP may still attain and request information from the APD, normally this is done for statistical research. click here for more
British Columbia
British Columbia's gun laws are identical to Alberta's, Section Five of British Columbia's Provincial Criminal Code guarantees the right to bear arms.
And retards like you and turdOWE have no constitutional right to steal legally aquired private property.
Constitutional right and legal are not the same thing. We have the legal right to bear arms as you put it.