Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Colpy

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Police botched NZ terror gun licence

Ben McKay | Wingham Chronicle | June 16, 2020


A bombshell report claims the Christchurch mosques terrorist was wrongly granted a firearms licence by New Zealand police, allowing him to compile the weapons used to murder 51 people.


As New Zealand's post-March 15 firearms regime returned to parliament on Tuesday, news outlet Stuff alleged Dunedin police did not subject Australian man Brenton Tarrant to the necessary background checks.

Tarrant was convicted of terrorism, 51 counts of murder and 40 counts of attempted murder earlier this year when he pleaded guilty to the gruesome attacks.

Stuff reports that police did not interview a family member as required, and instead questioned a father and son living more than 1000km away on North Island, who Tarrant met through an internet chat room.

The Council of Licensed Firearms Owners (COLFO) labelled the blunder the "biggest law and order scandal in NZ history".


Police say they followed a back-up procedure to grant Tarrant a licence, which included a visit to his Dunedin residence in October 2017.


With the findings of a royal commission into the mosques shootings due next month, police have declined further comment.


Coincidentally or otherwise, the Arms Legislation Bill also returned to parliament this week, which includes a provision to strip police of their licensing ability.


That power will be given to a new authority as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's much-delayed second tranche of gun law reforms.


The government moved quickly in the wake of last year's atrocity to make a first wave of reforms.


Ms Ardern banned semi-automatic weapons and created a gun buyback scheme with a vote of 119-1 in parliament.


A second wave - to establish a national firearms register, alter licensing requirements and bulk up non-compliance penalties - stalled due to intra-government squabbles.


However, government partners Labour and NZ First appear to have reached a compromise to ensure the law can be passed ahead of September's election.


"It looks like a deal has been done," COLFO spokeswoman Nicole McKee told AAP.


NZ First has watered down the legislation, allowing farmers the right to apply for prohibited firearms for pest control, and a longer lead-in time for the firearm registry, which won't come into force until 2023.


Asked why a farmer might need an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, a weapon believed to have been used by Tarrant in New Zealand's worst mass shooting, Ms Ardern said "cases where you are dealing with particular goats and so on".


"There are still very strict criteria on access," Ms Ardern.


"We should be open to the fact that when you put out a proposal, you get the feedback on how workable it is."


Tarrant's sentencing has been delayed due to COVID-19 but is likely to take place in the next two months.
 

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Interesting an emotional decision based on heartstring evidence to remove firearms from legal owners boils down to officials phucked up and he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a rifle. Sounds about right IMO
 

Colpy

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Interesting an emotional decision based on heartstring evidence to remove firearms from legal owners boils down to officials phucked up and he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a rifle. Sounds about right IMO


Exactly the same here. The RCMP ignored reports of the NS shooter's violence and illegal guns..............
 

spilledthebeer

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Exactly the same here. The RCMP ignored reports of the NS shooter's violence and illegal guns..............


Oh now - sorry Colpy - I do feel the need to make a minor correction to your statement - as RCMP did NOT IGNORE



reports about the mental instability of the NS shooter! There was simply NOTHING they could legally DO at the time!



What I GOT FROM READING the news reports was that various people spoke CONFIDENTIALLY to the cops!


But WERE NOT WILLING to speak on the record or make a legal complaint - mostly out of fear that



the shooter would RETALIATE against them!


No evidence means no action in LIE-beral run legal circles!



This says a lot more about the LIE-beral legal system and its lackadaisical approach to potentially dangerous situations


than it does about our cops who are REPEATEDLY HAMSTRUNG by LIE-beral hug a thug judges!
 

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Several years ago, someone was reported for passing an air rifle from one vehicle to another vehicle in Nova Scotia. When the driver reached his home, the police SWAT'd him in his driveway. I believe this was HRM city police.


To me, the fact that the RCMP never followed up on the complaints about the NS shooter's illegal firearms indicates problems with their operating proceedures for such complaints.
 

spilledthebeer

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Another minor correction STB, the RCMP didn't follow up on the report of him being in possession of illegal firearms.


Oh dear - so many niggling little details!


I feel obligated to point out that the reason RCMP did not follow up on those assorted reports


is because none of them were "official"!


Until you - as the person making the complaint - are willing to stand up and PUBLICLY SIGN YOUR NAME



on an official complaint form for public record - that report remains IN LIMBO! Meaning it DOES NOT EXIST and no action can be



taken by the cops!


An unofficial "report" is nothing more than innuendo and thus is discarded and irrelevant!


Just one of the finer and more annoying points of LIE-beral law!
 

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Effect of firearms legislation on suicide and homicide in Canada from 1981 to 2016




Conclusions

The finding of an association between unemployment, low income rates, the rates of aboriginal population, and provinces with a higher rate of suicide underscores and suggests areas for directed public health and harm reduction programs. No overall mortality reduction, but a shift from suicide by firearm in females and males age 45 and older to hanging, associated with current gun control programs, was found. This suggests that gun control methods to reduce suicide by firearms may have benefits but further actions to reduce suicide by controlling for other methods and suicide prevention programs could lower suicide rates in Canada. No associated reductions in homicide with increasing firearms regulations suggests alternative approaches are necessary to reduce homicide by firearm.
Real action towards reducing the number of firearm deaths is necessary and calls to reduce firearms prevalence in the country have once again become a social and political issue [30,31]. Multifaceted strategies to reduce mortality associated with firearms may be required. Steps to reduce youth gang membership and violence through diversion and educational programs have shown promising results [32]. As well community based suicide prevention programs such as training of family physicians in the detection and treatment of depression and discussions about firearms, campaigns aimed at increasing awareness about depression, and follow-up of individuals who attempted suicide may result in lives saved [33]. Outreach to groups for which access to care may be a particular issue, such as Aboriginals, is of primary concern [34].


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234457
 

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Effect of firearms legislation on suicide and homicide in Canada from 1981 to 2016


Conclusions
The finding of an association between unemployment, low income rates, the rates of aboriginal population, and provinces with a higher rate of suicide underscores and suggests areas for directed public health and harm reduction programs. No overall mortality reduction, but a shift from suicide by firearm in females and males age 45 and older to hanging, associated with current gun control programs, was found. This suggests that gun control methods to reduce suicide by firearms may have benefits but further actions to reduce suicide by controlling for other methods and suicide prevention programs could lower suicide rates in Canada. No associated reductions in homicide with increasing firearms regulations suggests alternative approaches are necessary to reduce homicide by firearm.
Real action towards reducing the number of firearm deaths is necessary and calls to reduce firearms prevalence in the country have once again become a social and political issue [30,31]. Multifaceted strategies to reduce mortality associated with firearms may be required. Steps to reduce youth gang membership and violence through diversion and educational programs have shown promising results [32]. As well community based suicide prevention programs such as training of family physicians in the detection and treatment of depression and discussions about firearms, campaigns aimed at increasing awareness about depression, and follow-up of individuals who attempted suicide may result in lives saved [33]. Outreach to groups for which access to care may be a particular issue, such as Aboriginals, is of primary concern [34].
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234457
One of the tenets of Marxism is:

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies."
 

spilledthebeer

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Interesting an emotional decision based on heartstring evidence to remove firearms from legal owners boils down to officials phucked up and he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a rifle. Sounds about right IMO






True dat Moose!


Too bad LIE-berals have no appreciation of IRONY!