Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Or living up to the FIRST LINE??????????????????????
Third line???????????????????????????
OR ANY LINE???????????????????????????
I would not take that bet with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont like throwing money away like a LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno if it's still like that but the last time I bought ammunition at C t C They put my name down in a ledger there,along with my FAC # and how many boxes I bought.
That knife thing must have been a LIE-beral idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rather like the idea from Our idiot Boy Justin to spend $300 million dollars..............................
to fight gang bangers and PISTOLS smuggled illegally into Canada...............................................
and to spend $600 million dollars buying back rifles from LEGAL and LAW ABIDING owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Evidence That Canadian Gun Laws Affect Safety, Research Shows
17 Dec 2019
(Update Dec. 18: Adds that lead researcher disagreed with this article.)
TheGunBlog.ca — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other activists hostile to hunters, farmers and sport shooters never cite any evidence linking gun laws to safety for a very simple reason: There isn’t any.
Researchers at Western University in Ontario couldn’t find a single scientific report showing improved safety from Canada’s firearm laws after having analyzed every study they could find between 2000 and 2018.
The lead author disagreed with this summary by TheGunBlog.ca.
The literature survey by Lorna Ferguson and Jacek Koziarski, Ph.D. students in Western’s sociology department, comes at a critical time.
They published it in October, less than two weeks before Trudeau was elected promising to criminalize hundreds of thousands of honest firearm owners unless they surrendered their gear.
Lorna Ferguson. Source: Western University
General Review
The informal report analyzed studies into restrictions on gun ownership in general, not only the types of mass prohibitions and confiscations sought by Trudeau against lawful and legitimate firearm users.
‘Not One’
“Concerning the impact of firearm legislation on crime rates, there is not one independent, peer-reviewed, empirical study on Canadian firearm legislation that demonstrated a significant decreasing effect on firearm crime,” Ferguson and Koziarski said.
Contradictory Findings
“Notably, certain information highlighted in this paper, such as an increase in firearm-related violence, contradicts the suggestion that policy restricting firearm ownership may be the answer to curtail firearm-related harms,” the authors said in their paper. “This is because many firearms used in these scenarios are already heavily restricted and/or banned, but yet these incidents still occur, nonetheless.”
Translation: The law already bans Bad Guys from having guns, but it’s irrelevant because Bad Guys don’t obey the law. So new laws won’t make any difference to personal or public safety.
Update Dec. 18: “This entire blog is framed contrary to our research report,” Ferguson said on Twitter in reply to TheGunBlog.ca. “We state very clearly that there is no research on the matter, not that legislation doesn't effect safety. Two sentences on this and an entire blog writing the opposite. What a disservice.”
Ferguson didn’t respond to an e-mail from TheGunBlog.ca seeking clarification.
Guns Are More Canadian Than Hockey
Hunting and sport shooting are at the heart of Canadian culture, heritage and tradition.
Trudeau promised the biggest mass gun confiscations of almost any democracy in history in the Oct. 21 election.
The research findings mean he will need to break at least one campaign promise.
Dennis Young, an independent advocate and researcher in Alberta, has also published many government memos and reports showing zero evidence for government claims and plans. Young is a former RCMP officer.
Ferguson is Director of Operations at the Canadian Society of Evidence-Based Policing. Koziarski is affiliated with the group.
Education Vs. Legislation
It’s important to note that just because there isn’t any evidence of a link between legislation and safety, it doesn’t prove that there isn’t a link. (“Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.”)
Some analysts speculate that education and training have improved safety much more than new laws.
New owners, hunters and target-range members must all demonstrate basic knowledge and proficiency. Clubs and ranges also refuse people unless they demonstrate the shooting community’s values of safety, responsibility and good citizenship.
‘Very Little Research’
Ferguson and Koziarski said that, before they wrote their research paper, they “were approached by a Canadian firearms organization that asked us to voluntarily write a report on all Canadian firearms literature to assist with informing their future intervention/prevention strategies.”
They found “very little research.”
Only 34 papers during the 19 years under review passed their selection criteria. The most of any single year was four publications. Three years had zero.
Limited, Dated, Speculative
“Overall, much more research is required on firearms in a Canadian context as there are significant gaps in existing literature. Most of it is limited in scope, dated, over-reaching, speculative and lacks concrete findings backed by evidence,” Ferguson tweeted.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/12/17/no-evidence-that-canadian-gun-laws-affect-safety-research-shows/
17 Dec 2019
(Update Dec. 18: Adds that lead researcher disagreed with this article.)
TheGunBlog.ca — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other activists hostile to hunters, farmers and sport shooters never cite any evidence linking gun laws to safety for a very simple reason: There isn’t any.
Researchers at Western University in Ontario couldn’t find a single scientific report showing improved safety from Canada’s firearm laws after having analyzed every study they could find between 2000 and 2018.
The lead author disagreed with this summary by TheGunBlog.ca.
The literature survey by Lorna Ferguson and Jacek Koziarski, Ph.D. students in Western’s sociology department, comes at a critical time.
They published it in October, less than two weeks before Trudeau was elected promising to criminalize hundreds of thousands of honest firearm owners unless they surrendered their gear.
General Review
The informal report analyzed studies into restrictions on gun ownership in general, not only the types of mass prohibitions and confiscations sought by Trudeau against lawful and legitimate firearm users.
‘Not One’
“Concerning the impact of firearm legislation on crime rates, there is not one independent, peer-reviewed, empirical study on Canadian firearm legislation that demonstrated a significant decreasing effect on firearm crime,” Ferguson and Koziarski said.
Contradictory Findings
“Notably, certain information highlighted in this paper, such as an increase in firearm-related violence, contradicts the suggestion that policy restricting firearm ownership may be the answer to curtail firearm-related harms,” the authors said in their paper. “This is because many firearms used in these scenarios are already heavily restricted and/or banned, but yet these incidents still occur, nonetheless.”
Translation: The law already bans Bad Guys from having guns, but it’s irrelevant because Bad Guys don’t obey the law. So new laws won’t make any difference to personal or public safety.
Update Dec. 18: “This entire blog is framed contrary to our research report,” Ferguson said on Twitter in reply to TheGunBlog.ca. “We state very clearly that there is no research on the matter, not that legislation doesn't effect safety. Two sentences on this and an entire blog writing the opposite. What a disservice.”
Ferguson didn’t respond to an e-mail from TheGunBlog.ca seeking clarification.
Guns Are More Canadian Than Hockey
Hunting and sport shooting are at the heart of Canadian culture, heritage and tradition.
- About 2.2 million men and women have a federal firearm licence, more than play golf or hockey.
- In addition, millions more family and friends of all ages also hunt and shoot safely and responsibly under the control of permit holders.
- Firearm ownership keeps rising to records year after year.
Trudeau promised the biggest mass gun confiscations of almost any democracy in history in the Oct. 21 election.
The research findings mean he will need to break at least one campaign promise.
- If he keeps his commitment to “evidence-based policy,” he’ll need to scrap his plans to seize guns from hundreds of thousands of honest families.
- Or he could keep his evidence promise and drop his promise of unjustified confiscations.
Dennis Young, an independent advocate and researcher in Alberta, has also published many government memos and reports showing zero evidence for government claims and plans. Young is a former RCMP officer.
Ferguson is Director of Operations at the Canadian Society of Evidence-Based Policing. Koziarski is affiliated with the group.
Education Vs. Legislation
It’s important to note that just because there isn’t any evidence of a link between legislation and safety, it doesn’t prove that there isn’t a link. (“Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.”)
Some analysts speculate that education and training have improved safety much more than new laws.
New owners, hunters and target-range members must all demonstrate basic knowledge and proficiency. Clubs and ranges also refuse people unless they demonstrate the shooting community’s values of safety, responsibility and good citizenship.
‘Very Little Research’
Ferguson and Koziarski said that, before they wrote their research paper, they “were approached by a Canadian firearms organization that asked us to voluntarily write a report on all Canadian firearms literature to assist with informing their future intervention/prevention strategies.”
They found “very little research.”
Only 34 papers during the 19 years under review passed their selection criteria. The most of any single year was four publications. Three years had zero.
Limited, Dated, Speculative
“Overall, much more research is required on firearms in a Canadian context as there are significant gaps in existing literature. Most of it is limited in scope, dated, over-reaching, speculative and lacks concrete findings backed by evidence,” Ferguson tweeted.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/12/17/no-evidence-that-canadian-gun-laws-affect-safety-research-shows/
She wrote it. Including this:
“Notably, certain information highlighted in this paper, such as an increase in firearm-related violence, contradicts the suggestion that policy restricting firearm ownership may be the answer to curtail firearm-related harms. This is because many firearms used in these scenarios are already heavily restricted and/or banned, but yet these incidents still occur, nonetheless.”
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You can read, right?
I assume too much perhaps, as the evidence here and on the Zimmerman thread indicates otherwise.
So I guess you should just STFU.
Or read the quote written by Ms. Ferguson, then STFU.
“Notably, certain information highlighted in this paper, such as an increase in firearm-related violence, contradicts the suggestion that policy restricting firearm ownership may be the answer to curtail firearm-related harms. This is because many firearms used in these scenarios are already heavily restricted and/or banned, but yet these incidents still occur, nonetheless.”
Or read her tweets:
https://twitter.com/LFrgsn
Lorna Ferguson @LFrgsn
· Oct 12, 2019
Replying to @LFrgsn
Firearm availability may influence a reduction in suicide/homicide rates; however, no studies were able to definitively attribute the reductions to legislation.
Prevention proposals through legislation and controlling access to firearms can't be supported given these findings.
Lorna Ferguson @LFrgsn
Concerning the impact of firearm legislation on crime rates, there is not one independent, peer-reviewed, empirical study on Canadian firearm legislation that demonstrated a significant decreasing effect on firearm crime.
Kudos to the authors (Sociology no less, I'm amazed) for reaching the obvious, but politically incorrect conclusion.
No surprize though that a Sociology grad student would not want her politically incorrect conclusions broadcast far and wide.
The main thrust of the article is more research needs to be done.
I agree.
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I am not a gun person, never owned one, never will....and I really don't care what they do. It won't affect me. That said, it is just typical of government to take the easy road as they usually do. Make the innocent suffer because they have no control over the evil.....Banning guns won't change a ****ing thing.
It's a feel good approach and gets votes, that's all that matters, right Hoid?
It's a feel good approach and gets votes, that's all that matters, right Hoid?