Gun Control is Completely Useless.

spilledthebeer

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We could just say nobody gets a PAL for a handgun.

There.

People control.




So tell us hemerHOID.....................................


WHO ISSUED your license to be an IDIOT??????????????????????????


Since most crime guns in Canada ARE IMPORTED from United States.....................................


and a few others are MADE in illegal gun shops...................................


why dot you explain to us how canceling PAL`s for pistol owners will lower crime rates with ILLEGAL GUNS?????????????


Since gang bangers DO NOT HAVE PAL`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To keep it simple for the LICENSED hemerHOID idiot - we could look at a single case..............................


the one involving the guy who was arrested as a drunk driver.........................................


and was hand cuffed in the back of a police cruiser..................................


being watched on video as he wiggled around to get out the ILLEGAL PISTOL he was carrying................................................


out if his pocket and trying to hide it under the car seat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course the guy WAS ALREADY BANNED from owning any sort of firearm.................................


thanks to his previous CONVICTIONS for assault and other offenses..................................



much less having a RESTRICTED WEAPON such as the semi automatic pistol he was video taped trying to hide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So tell us oh great wise hemerHOID...................................


HOW WOULD BANNING PAL`s affect the actions of this ARMED DRUNK in any way?????????????????


And in related news - do you enjoy being exposed as a card carrying licensed IDIOT???????????????????


What sort of MASOCHIST ARE YOU anyway????????????????????????
 

Hoid

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Canadian police chiefs say they don’t support ban on handguns despite fears that handgun violence is escalating in some cities across the country.
The head of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police says no new law banning handguns is needed because strong firearms laws already exist.
Vancouver Police Chief Adam Palmer says that in the majority of cases involving gun violence, the handguns being used are already illegal and it makes no sense to ban something that it already illegal.
“In every single case there are already offences for that,” Palmer said Wednesday in Calgary, at the conclusion of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police’s annual meeting.
“They’re already breaking the law and the criminal law in Canada addresses all those circumstances.


https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2019/08/15/police-chiefs-say-handgun-ban-not-needed-wouldnt-work/
now let's think back to what Clompy had to say about this group if people when they were begging not to destroy the long gun registry and hurt police all over the country..
 

spilledthebeer

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now let's think back to what Clompy had to say about this group if people when they were begging not to destroy the long gun registry and hurt police all over the country..




Oh hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a MARVELOUS HYPOCRITE YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Police chiefs supported the long gun registry because being a police chief.....................



IS A POLITICAL APPOINTMENT and thus chiefs must lick LIE-beral boots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Police Chiefs also made it known at the time that the long gun registry HAD LARGE HOLES IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Meaning IT DID NOT TELL COPS if there might be ILLEGAL guns in the house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus the COSTLY long gun registry was ESSENTIALLY USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now we have a police chief speaking honestly about the USELESS NATURE of a hand gun ban........................


that WILL NOT AFFECT ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you are trying to suggest there is something wrong with the Colpy argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In order to DEFLECT from your own BULLSH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a MAROON YOU ARE hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Dear Moron:


The long gun registry was part of the 1995 Firearms Act, and that is what you were asking about.


In fact, it was not fully implemented until December 31, 2002.


I've got an idea that's unique and new; why don't you just not talk about things that you know nothing about?


In short, STFU.


Thank you.


Bob


Strange coincidence...…………….I've been having the same thought!
 

Colpy

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now let's think back to what Clompy had to say about this group if people when they were begging not to destroy the long gun registry and hurt police all over the country..


Yes, let's do that.


I said that the organization was essentially political in nature, that it did not represent officers on the street, that it was being used by the state as a propaganda tool and as a conduit to funnel gov't money to Canadian special interest groups ($160,000 to Canadians for Gun Control) and that they got large donations from the company that was making tens of millions setting up (screwing up) the registry's computer system, and that they should STFU.


I was right on all points, and the LGR was a complete failure.


Now they are getting no new money, they are not being used by the state as a propaganda tool (obviously) and the same political organization is actually coming out against new laws...........this time they are obviously absolutely correct.



As am I.


Deal with it.
 

spilledthebeer

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I know you are but what am I


Oh hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your immediate problem is that you are seriously confused about the meaning........................


of the words "intellectual" and "giant"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

spilledthebeer

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Letter to The Chilliwack Progress:


While reading the Dec. 4 edition of the Chilliwack Progress, I was shocked and angered by the Pre Christmas Sale from International Shooting Supplies’ ad. The ad contained six specific offerings for handguns.


Handguns are the weapon of choice used in the ongoing gang war and the drug-induced gang violence being fought through Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Valley. For years we have been told handguns were being smuggled over the border and sold to gang members, but this ad proves otherwise.


Without a doubt these weapons should be banned; military style assault weapons are not the main culprit, handguns are. When will the government stop promising legislation and deliver meaningful action?


As responsible corporate citizens, Black Press Media should not accept these types of ads.

DJ Desautels

(my emphasis)


This guy seems to think any gangbanger can walk into the local sporting goods store, buy a .357 Magnum, and walk out.


I can't even imagine this level of stupid.




I suggest that ads for such weapons are essentially useless in Canada..........................


since the number of potential licensed owners willing to shell out that kind of money.............................


because the pistol aint cheap...............................................


and because the ammunition AINT CHEAP either .......................................



and you aint allowed to carry the pistol anyplace but to a licensed gun range..........................


which means you have the monthly range fees as well - and certainly that is the deal here in Ontari-owe...................


since we dont have the B.C. bear problem........................................


so no excuse for carrying the thing in the Piney woods.............................


and NO RIGHT to fire it any place except the range..................................


unless a B.C. bear is actually mauling you SEVERELY............................................



add it all up and owning a pistol is for either the wealthy............................


or the criminal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Certainly the legal target market in Ontari-owe IS NOT LARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The average guy on the street simply cannot justify the money to wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Colpy

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Relevant excerpt from Bill Blair's mandate letter:


I will expect you to work with your colleagues and through established legislative, regulatory and Cabinet processes to deliver on your top priorities. In particular, you will:

  • With support from the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, implement our firearms policy commitments, including to:
    • Amend Canada’s firearms laws to ban all military-style assault rifles, with an associated buyback program and two-year amnesty;
    • Work with provinces and territories to give municipalities the ability to further restrict or ban handguns;
    • Update firearms licence requirements for ammunition imports, strengthen safe-storage laws, develop a mechanism for suspending licences for those who pose a danger to themselves or others, continue to build a national system that allows for the flagging of bulk purchases of firearms, impose stronger penalties for gun smuggling, provide the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) with additional resources to detect and stop gun smuggling, and work to limit by regulation the glorification of violence in firearms marketing and sales; and
    • Continue to protect the rights of hunters and farmers. There will not be a return of the long-gun registry.
    https://pm.gc.ca/en/mandate-letters/minister-public-safety-and-emergency-preparedness-mandate-letter
 

petros

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OK, Hoid and Curious, and any other anti-gunner out there, tell me the difference between these two rifles:

FN FAL;
Cartridge: 7.62 x 51 NATO (.308Winchester)
Mode of Operation: semi automatic only
Feed devices: 5 round magazines (10 or 20 round available if smuggled, but are illegal)

Remington 742
Cartridge: 7.62 x 51 NATO (.308Winchester)
Mode of Operation: semi automatic only
Feed devices: 5 round magazines (10 or 20 round available if smuggled, but are illegal)
I have owned both types. One is prohibited (grandfathered). is registered under an OiC, and is considered so dangerous it can not be taken out of my house, the highest level of control for any firearms possessed in Canada..
The other is non-restricted........not registered, is at the lowest level of control that exists in Canada. (PAL required, that's it!)
If this doesn't illustrate the complete stupidity of those running our gun control system, I don't know what will.
The Remington is an organic rifle cuz it has a sustainable wooden stock.
 

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Most New Zealand Gun Owners So Far Decline to Hand in Anything

12/13/19 2:15 AM | by Chris Eger





Even seemingly non-controversial guns, such as some types of lever-action rifles and pump-action shotguns, are subject to New Zealand’s pending gun ban, with a compensation scheme offering as little as one-quarter of the firearm’s base value. (Photo: Chris Eger/Guns.com)



With only a week before time is up to sell the government their newly-outlawed guns, many in New Zealand haven’t.


The Pacific country has a nationwide ban on several types of common firearms with a deadline of Dec. 20. Police Minister Stuart Nash earlier this year had estimated that as many as 300,000 guns of various manufacture– out of the 1.5 million in circulation– were targeted by the move. However, the latest figures from government sources are that only about 36,000 guns have been sold at police-arranged events by Nov. 11, at a cost of NZ$70 million ($45 million) in public funds.


“The clock is ticking on the last opportunity to receive payment for prohibited firearms and parts, or to hand over unwanted or unlawful guns without fear of prosecution under the amnesty,” said Nash in a statement. “If people don’t hand in the other prohibited firearms and parts by 20 Dec. they will get no money and will face up to five years in prison and the loss of their firearms license.”


While hundreds of gun owners have applied for special permits to keep their banned firearms, and others have modified their collection to meet new mandates, pundits feel that many are simply staying away.


“[Nash] has failed to engage with the firearms community and they’re responding by not engaging with the buyback,” said Brett Hudson with the New Zealand National Party, a group that holds just under half of the seats in the country’s House of Representatives. Worse



Hudson pointed out that criminals aren’t turning in their guns either.


“Gangs are not complying with the buyback and we are seeing no action from the Government to tackle the problems of illegal firearm use, with the focus seemingly on the law-abiding firearms community,” said Hudson.


Compounding the issue, gun owner groups argue the government is not offering any compensation for accessories, ammunition, and safes that are now redundant. Further, unease by those who have registered to sell their firearms to the government was increased after the likelihood that their personal information may have been compromised last week in a data breach.
Wide Net

Besides all centerfire semi-auto rifles, the prohibition covers even lever-action, bolt-action, and pump-action rifles if they have a capacity of more than 10 cartridges– regardless if they are chambered in centerfire or rimfire calibers.


When it comes to shotguns, pumps, and semi-autos capable of holding more than five shells are now banned. A 15-page price list covering about 300 guns has been released by police which sets a base value by model, of which the government may offer between 25 and 95 percent, depending on the gun’s condition.


For example, a Browning BAR Mk. II, a semi-auto hunting rifle typically with a four-round magazine, has a base price of NZ$1500 ($985) on the list, which would mean the owner of the classic game-getter could get as little as NZ$375 ($246) for the gun– or risk a hefty prison sentence should they decide not to hand it in.


Several vintage rifles from yesteryear — some out of production for nearly a century– are on the list including the Remington Model 8, Winchester 1907, the M1 Garand, and various examples of the French MAS series. Rare Heckler & Koch wooden-stocked sporting rifles, like the HK 630 and HK 770, have likewise been targeted for destruction.


Have a Mossberg 500 with a 6-shell tube? It’s on the list alongside the Beretta A300 and Benelli SuperNova.


Meanwhile, anti-gun politicians on this side of the Pacific are enamored with the disarming of Kiwi gun collectors. Earlier this year, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calf, applauded New Zealand lawmakers on “a job well done,” following the statement up with “the U.S. should follow suit.”


https://www.guns.com/news/2019/12/1...z7yQxnJu5PVSQU_Ha0_FhJusznIZP8T98h1Pr1T4ZA_TQ
 

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Most New Zealand Gun Owners So Far Decline to Hand in Anything

12/13/19 2:15 AM | by Chris Eger





Even seemingly non-controversial guns, such as some types of lever-action rifles and pump-action shotguns, are subject to New Zealand’s pending gun ban, with a compensation scheme offering as little as one-quarter of the firearm’s base value. (Photo: Chris Eger/Guns.com)



With only a week before time is up to sell the government their newly-outlawed guns, many in New Zealand haven’t.


The Pacific country has a nationwide ban on several types of common firearms with a deadline of Dec. 20. Police Minister Stuart Nash earlier this year had estimated that as many as 300,000 guns of various manufacture– out of the 1.5 million in circulation– were targeted by the move. However, the latest figures from government sources are that only about 36,000 guns have been sold at police-arranged events by Nov. 11, at a cost of NZ$70 million ($45 million) in public funds.


“The clock is ticking on the last opportunity to receive payment for prohibited firearms and parts, or to hand over unwanted or unlawful guns without fear of prosecution under the amnesty,” said Nash in a statement. “If people don’t hand in the other prohibited firearms and parts by 20 Dec. they will get no money and will face up to five years in prison and the loss of their firearms license.”


While hundreds of gun owners have applied for special permits to keep their banned firearms, and others have modified their collection to meet new mandates, pundits feel that many are simply staying away.


“[Nash] has failed to engage with the firearms community and they’re responding by not engaging with the buyback,” said Brett Hudson with the New Zealand National Party, a group that holds just under half of the seats in the country’s House of Representatives. Worse



Hudson pointed out that criminals aren’t turning in their guns either.


“Gangs are not complying with the buyback and we are seeing no action from the Government to tackle the problems of illegal firearm use, with the focus seemingly on the law-abiding firearms community,” said Hudson.


Compounding the issue, gun owner groups argue the government is not offering any compensation for accessories, ammunition, and safes that are now redundant. Further, unease by those who have registered to sell their firearms to the government was increased after the likelihood that their personal information may have been compromised last week in a data breach.
Wide Net

Besides all centerfire semi-auto rifles, the prohibition covers even lever-action, bolt-action, and pump-action rifles if they have a capacity of more than 10 cartridges– regardless if they are chambered in centerfire or rimfire calibers.


When it comes to shotguns, pumps, and semi-autos capable of holding more than five shells are now banned. A 15-page price list covering about 300 guns has been released by police which sets a base value by model, of which the government may offer between 25 and 95 percent, depending on the gun’s condition.


For example, a Browning BAR Mk. II, a semi-auto hunting rifle typically with a four-round magazine, has a base price of NZ$1500 ($985) on the list, which would mean the owner of the classic game-getter could get as little as NZ$375 ($246) for the gun– or risk a hefty prison sentence should they decide not to hand it in.


Several vintage rifles from yesteryear — some out of production for nearly a century– are on the list including the Remington Model 8, Winchester 1907, the M1 Garand, and various examples of the French MAS series. Rare Heckler & Koch wooden-stocked sporting rifles, like the HK 630 and HK 770, have likewise been targeted for destruction.


Have a Mossberg 500 with a 6-shell tube? It’s on the list alongside the Beretta A300 and Benelli SuperNova.


Meanwhile, anti-gun politicians on this side of the Pacific are enamored with the disarming of Kiwi gun collectors. Earlier this year, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calf, applauded New Zealand lawmakers on “a job well done,” following the statement up with “the U.S. should follow suit.”


https://www.guns.com/news/2019/12/1...z7yQxnJu5PVSQU_Ha0_FhJusznIZP8T98h1Pr1T4ZA_TQ
It’s seems Feinstein was a little premature on her congratulations. Good idea , turn in your riffles for a quarter of their value . A recipe for success .
 

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All in the name of good people control
WE are taking away your key board because you are obviously not only not qualified to own or use one, you have also demonstrated evil intent towards other people's property, and also the basis for all criminality: POLITICAL DISHONESTY.
;)
just sayin...

Not to mention how you keep russian on in to try to influence our elections every chance you get.
 

petros

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Hudson pointed out that criminals aren’t turning in their guns either.


“Gangs are not complying with the buyback and we are seeing no action from the Government to tackle the problems of illegal firearm use, with the focus seemingly on the law-abiding firearms community,” said Hudson.
That's because it's not the gangs they NEED to disarm.

They're after Government safety rather than public safety.