Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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LILLEY: Poll shows Trudeau gun control promises firing blanks
Brian Lilley
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October 2, 2019
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October 2, 2019 6:45 PM EDT
It seemed an odd choice, Justin Trudeau spent two precious days in the middle of an election campaign holding events in Toronto and speaking on an issue he should own — gun control. Now we may know why.
Polling on how Canadians view gun crime in Canada and gun control promises from politicians shows that the majority of Canadians — in all regions of the country, across party lines and among men and women — are cynical of what is on offer.
When asked about the source of shootings, 80% of Canadians agreed with the statement that “gun violence and shootings are mainly committed by gangs or criminals with handguns smuggled into the country from across the border.”
That compares to just 20% who believed “gun violence comes mainly from guns that have been stolen from or used by vetted and licensed handgun owners.”
The findings are part of the DART & Maru/Blue Voice Canada Poll conducted for the Toronto Sun.
There was barely a difference between men and women with 81% of men agreeing that the problem is from gangs using smuggled guns while 78% of women said the same.
When it comes to fighting gun crime, Canadians are not on the same page as the Trudeau Liberals. A full 81% of Canadians said that the government “should channel most of their efforts into pursuing those using handguns smuggled in from over the border,” as opposed to cracking down on licensed gun owners.
In Ontario, the battleground of this election, 87% said the government should focus on smuggled guns.
“People know that when you’re hunting bear, you don’t get distracted by rabbit tracks. Handgun violence is exactly the same,” pollster John Wright said.
“People know that efforts to stop violence have to be apportioned properly and right now they see the greatest commitment needed is to smuggled guns from across the border and their associated crimes and little else. When politicians speak otherwise, they see it as wrong headed.”
That’s not good news for the governing Liberals.
For Trudeau to win this election, he needs to win among women and he needs to win in Ontario and when it comes to his gun control policies — something he spent much of his week on — his message is falling flat.
In fact, when given two options, one that said politicians cracking down on licensed and vetted gun owners was the right thing and one that said it was smoke and mirrors, the majority didn’t buy Trudeau’s line.
On that issue, 71% agreed with the statement that, “it’s just smoke and mirrors and pretending to get at the real contributors to gun violence and crimes so they can get votes.”
If votes are the reason for this policy, it isn’t working.
In the face of rising gun crime in cities across Canada, but in Toronto in particular, Trudeau has promised to allow municipalities to ban handguns but rejected a national ban. He has also promised a full national ban on the AR-15 rifle, and rifles like it.
There are 75,000 AR-15s registered with the RCMP — restricted firearms are still part of a registry — and the Liberals have said they plan on banning and buying back 250,000 rifles at a cost of $600 million or more.
The problem is, these are not the guns that are claiming victims on Canadian streets. While Trudeau points to mass shootings in the United States where the AR-15 has been the weapon used, that isn’t the case in Canada. Our much stricter gun control laws are vastly different from the United States.
Trudeau hoped that he would be able to campaign on fear of guns, but for the most part, it doesn’t look like that campaign is working.
Conducted on Sept. 30, 2019, the poll of 1,520 randomly-selected Canadian adults — all members of a Maru/Blue online panel — is considered accurate to within 2.9%, 19 times out of 20.
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Much tougher to get guns in Canada than U.S.
In August 2013, I walked into a souvenir shop in Juneau, Ala. It was the kind of store that caters to tourists but behind the counter was an AR-15.
I asked the man sitting near the rifle what it would take for me to walk out with the gun and he told me the price — $1,495. That was it, he said.
In Canada, the process is much different.
To buy an AR-15 or a handgun requires a special gun licence that allows you to own restricted firearms. To get that licence, you need to jump through several hoops.
First, you need to find a location near you that will offer the Canadian Firearms Safety Course.
The general licence course takes a minimum of eight hours of classroom time followed by a written and practical exam. The restricted course is at least another six hours of classroom time, followed by a written and practical exam.
Often the courses are offered together and it takes up most of a weekend.
If you pass the course, your paperwork indicating that you were successful is sent off to the authorities and you can apply for a firearms licence in a few weeks time. That requires submitting a four-page application form complete with a photo, references and the names of any conjugal partners.
The form specifically asks for their signature acknowledging the application and states that they will be contacted.
Once the extensive background check is complete, a process that can take weeks if not months, those that pass the scrutiny of the RCMP are given a licence. At that point, they can attempt to buy a gun.
It’s often said that it is easier to buy a gun illegally than legally.
That’s something that Toronto radio station Newstalk 1010 put to the test recently. Less than five hours after making the first phone call, they were looking at an assortment of guns for sale in the back of a car parked in a suburban shopping mall parking lot.
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Bump everyone should read this article nice find Spaminator
 
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Colpy said:
In Canada, the legal definition of a weapon is anything that is used as a weapon.
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I know you've seen this before, but here it is:

“Weapon” means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use

(a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
(b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person
and, without restricting the generality of the foregoing, includes a firearm.


– CCC
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Unlike the USA where blade length helps to define if a knife is a weapon, in Canada, the definition of weapon is heavily hinged on how the item is used or intended to be used. So a long fixed blade knife in the hands of a bushcrafter is a tool, and a tiny pocket knife in the hands of a gang banger is a weapon.


interestingly enough, it is very likely that a rancher|hunter|biathlete|trapper|collector|gun club member could at some point beat weapons charges simply by showing that there was no intent to harm or intimidate EXCEPT the law makers felt that they needed to add "and,...., includes a firearm." In opinion, that part is poorly written.
 
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Bump everyone should read this article nice find Spaminator
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It is apparently easier to purchase an illegal firearm in Canada then buy a legal one , and liberals are talking gun control . Yikes all the money going into CBSA and no dint in illegal firearms from America . Yup let’s crack down on hunters there is no telling when they will go off the deep end .
 
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In Florida an old man shoots his son-in-law dead after he jumps out of the bushes to surprise him for his birthday
 
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Colpy said:
You know, I used to wonder if you were simply a troll, or actually stupid.


The answer becomes increasingly obvious.....you're a stupid troll.


The reddie was given for an irrelevant, ridiculous insult you made.


Now, before you point out that I just insulted you...........my insulting of you is neither irrelevant nor ridiculous. Quite the opposite.


As for the NRA, I would be proud to support an organization fighting for civil rights (there is no right more "civil" than a constitutional right), especially when that organization has 5 million paying members. Unfortunately, I do not support the NRA, as it is an American, not a Canadian organization. Nor do I agree that the platform the NRA operates from is applicable to Canada, where I do live.


But I know, nuance, like facts, are incomprehensible to you.
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You might get a little laugh if you picture hemerHOID playing the part of the Bandito......................................


from "Treasure of the Sierra Madre"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes............................


I can just picture, dirty, unshaven, clueless hemerHOID.................................


playing a part with lines slightly modified from the original........................................



standing in the blazing Mexican sun.....................................


and exclaiming:


"Nuances"??????????????????????


"We dont have no Nuances"?????????????????????????


"WE DONT NEED NO NUANCES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I guess that is now TWO old movies hemerHOID will have to go watch........................................................


so he will understand the references!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe hemerHOID has seen the Treasure of the Sierra Madre.................................


but he is clearly clueless about Nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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spilledthebeer said:
You might get a little laugh if you picture hemerHOID playing the part of the Bandito......................................


from "Treasure of the Sierra Madre"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes............................
I can just picture, dirty, unshaven, clueless hemerHOID.................................
playing a part with lines slightly modified from the original........................................
standing in the blazing Mexican sun.....................................
and exclaiming:
"Nuances"??????????????????????
"We dont have no Nuances"?????????????????????????
"WE DONT NEED NO NUANCES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that is now TWO old movies hemerHOID will have to go watch........................................................
so he will understand the references!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe hemerHOID has seen the Treasure of the Sierra Madre.................................
but he is clearly clueless about Nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Colpy is a really, really, REALLY tough guy who gets all pouty and indignant if you happen to disagree with his "philosophy".

Pretty flimsy for such a tough guy.
 
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Curious Cdn said:
Colpy is a really, really, REALLY tough guy who gets all pouty and indignant if you happen to disagree with his "philosophy".

Pretty flimsy for such a tough guy.
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Maybe NOT! During the many years I've been following Colpy's posts, I've only noticed he doesn't have a lot of patience with departures from common sense (which you and Hoid seem to have a habit of). :)
 
Danbones

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Good gawd, a "departure"? LOL, and with no return flights available.
;)
Oh well ...pedo luvers and booby soxs.
 
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Hoid said:
The country is talking gun control
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No, they are talking commie nazi pedoe retard like you. Of course you want all the parent's guns. Hitler wanted all the guns. Stalin wants all the guns. Mao wanted all the guns. Pol pot wanted all the guns. Curious Yorgie wants all the guns. TRudeau the b*tch, wants all the guns. THEN they kill half a billion of their own people. Because they are brain dead two bit c*nts, just like you.

But at least you are twice the gurl t-bones is.
 
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JLM said:
Maybe NOT! During the many years I've been following Colpy's posts, I've only noticed he doesn't have a lot of patience with departures from common sense (which you and Hoid seem to have a habit of). :)
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Your version of "common sense" anyway ....
 
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