B.C. judge rules father guilty of “family violence” for calling trans son “she”

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Could you imagine going down on a 'woman' only to learn later that the fluids you were slurping up weren't even female, but were male instead? That would count as a traumatic experience, the stuff nightmares are made of
 

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Oh, well I'm sorry, my empathy is so obviously greater than yours that putting myself into the shoes of someone who would otherwise go through hell on their own without the blockers isn't that much of a stretch like it is for you.
My bad; I thought we were all decent human beings here. I forgot, a lot of those here aren't.

Oh, so someone putting their feet in the shoes of the father is wrong? Do you have an answer to how do you know how she feels? Your projecting yourself like everyone else, so why don't you take your condescending attitude and put it in your pocket.
 

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Some nasty behaviour from someone who is supposed to represent his County. I wonder what the Council thinks of this?

Probably nothing because he doesn't represent them.
 

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Oh, so someone putting their feet in the shoes of the father is wrong? Do you have an answer to how do you know how she feels? Your projecting yourself like everyone else, so why don't you take your condescending attitude and put it in your pocket.


Actually no, it's not.



I actually get the father is seriously upset. But I have to actually ask why he's upset.



Is he upset because his child is Trans, or that his masculinity is in question, or that he fears what society will say about him, his family, his friends, if he supports his Trans child? Is he angry/frustrated because he doesn't understand, or is it that the idea that *his* kid would want to be like *That* coloring his emotions?

If the parents would just be truthful and be more open about why they have issues with their Trans kids finally adapting themselves to their genders, it might make things better in the end. Hearing "I don't understand" is at least an admission of being willing TO understand. Hearing "you're wrong" or "it's just a phase" or "you're being brainwashed by your mom/friends/other family/the media" means you are closed to the actual feelings of the child in question and de-legitimizing their reality.

Which leads to the perception the parent never loved the child, never will and heads down the dark road most go.

Parents are mourning the loss of a child they thought they knew and not embracing the child they had.

Or they're mourning the *idea* of the child they had instead of the reality.

The continued denial sometimes leads to tragically the loss of the child, period.


No one ever knows how exactly someone else feels, that's impossible. But as I said, I have empathy, which you obviously lack. I mean, you DO know how empathy works, don't you? Sympathy?

I don't need to know the exact feelings to have a damn good guess as to how ANY Trans person likely feels, because I can *empathize* with them. I can take my own experiences, fears and so on and sympathetically imagine what it would be like for them. Only I imagine it worse because I know people who are Trans and they've told me what it's like, and I've read about stories of being children growing up in both loving and hateful homes, so I know what it's like as best as anyone else can.

I take that knowledge and put it in place as needed about the person I'm reading about or hearing about.


And I have my OWN experiences of being part of the "community" that really helps give me a damn good idea of how the kids PERSONALLY feel about themselves and how devastating it is to hear you're not right can be.



So while yeah, it's understandable the parent has issues, when the reality of the situation has the parents lack of even wanting to give a shit about their kid (note lack of giving a shit is not the same of lack of understanding) vs. the DEATH of the Trans person, I tend to feel more for the Trans person, because they need the care and support more than the parent does. When the parent starts to actually show a tiny bit of actual compassion for their child, then the parent can have support.

The mom of the kid, great. Even if she said she didn't understand, but supported her child, that'd be just as awesome.

Flat out denying what your child says is part of them that is vital is abuse and deserves to be stood up against.
 

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You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but just remember one thing...…………………………………………...IT DON'T MAKE IT A FACT! :)


Ditto for all those saying the Trans kid has mental issues and so on.

Or that the father gives a shit about their son.

:)
 

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Ditto for all those saying the Trans kid has mental issues and so on.
Or that the father gives a shit about their son.
:)

Did you ever find out who is supporting/encouraging the young lady to change to a boy, someone is interfering in this family, (common sense says so) even at 16 she is too young to make this decision on her own, she is being manipulated all right and it is definitely not by her father.
 

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Neither does being in one's thirties, forties or fifties, yet somehow they get exempted from a great deal of shit worse than this young adult.

Taxslave isn't talking sense, it's bullshit via "if you're not like me, you're wrong" mentality.


Grow up, honey!
 

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Actually no, it's not.
I actually get the father is seriously upset. But I have to actually ask why he's upset.
Is he upset because his child is Trans, or that his masculinity is in question, or that he fears what society will say about him, his family, his friends, if he supports his Trans child? Is he angry/frustrated because he doesn't understand, or is it that the idea that *his* kid would want to be like *That* coloring his emotions?
If the parents would just be truthful and be more open about why they have issues with their Trans kids finally adapting themselves to their genders, it might make things better in the end. Hearing "I don't understand" is at least an admission of being willing TO understand. Hearing "you're wrong" or "it's just a phase" or "you're being brainwashed by your mom/friends/other family/the media" means you are closed to the actual feelings of the child in question and de-legitimizing their reality.
Which leads to the perception the parent never loved the child, never will and heads down the dark road most go.
Parents are mourning the loss of a child they thought they knew and not embracing the child they had.
Or they're mourning the *idea* of the child they had instead of the reality.
The continued denial sometimes leads to tragically the loss of the child, period.
No one ever knows how exactly someone else feels, that's impossible. But as I said, I have empathy, which you obviously lack. I mean, you DO know how empathy works, don't you? Sympathy?
I don't need to know the exact feelings to have a damn good guess as to how ANY Trans person likely feels, because I can *empathize* with them. I can take my own experiences, fears and so on and sympathetically imagine what it would be like for them. Only I imagine it worse because I know people who are Trans and they've told me what it's like, and I've read about stories of being children growing up in both loving and hateful homes, so I know what it's like as best as anyone else can.
I take that knowledge and put it in place as needed about the person I'm reading about or hearing about.
And I have my OWN experiences of being part of the "community" that really helps give me a damn good idea of how the kids PERSONALLY feel about themselves and how devastating it is to hear you're not right can be.
So while yeah, it's understandable the parent has issues, when the reality of the situation has the parents lack of even wanting to give a shit about their kid (note lack of giving a shit is not the same of lack of understanding) vs. the DEATH of the Trans person, I tend to feel more for the Trans person, because they need the care and support more than the parent does. When the parent starts to actually show a tiny bit of actual compassion for their child, then the parent can have support.
The mom of the kid, great. Even if she said she didn't understand, but supported her child, that'd be just as awesome.
Flat out denying what your child says is part of them that is vital is abuse and deserves to be stood up against.
Would it have made more sense to wait for his balls to drop before pumping him full of female hormones and calling him a girl?
 

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Did you ever find out who is supporting/encouraging the young lady to change to a boy, someone is interfering in this family, (common sense says so) even at 16 she is too young to make this decision on her own, she is being manipulated all right and it is definitely not by her father.


Or maybe the family that isn't the father is being supportive of their child regardless, loving them regardless, and willing to stand with them regardless.

As for sixteen being too young to make the decision on their own: that's why such decisions for blockers are NOT made on their own, but by SEVERAL neutral medical people who assess and suggest if the child should be on blockers or not. All have to agree; if one doesn't, no blockers. It takes a lot of time to get those validations.

Again, blockers are not an instant get, something on a whim.

But you're right, it's not the father doing any manipulation; the father likely can't even understand what it is to be a parent.
 

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Would it have made more sense to wait for his balls to drop before pumping him full of female hormones and calling him a girl?


Uh, no.

Because the moment the balls drop, male changes start which makes it MUCH harder for a Trans girl to pass when she's older, which is part of the dysphoria. The pause in puberty actually gives the child a chance to really live as close to a girl as possible, when they are older and able to understand the social and personal issues that come with being Trans, to see if they are truly willing to go through with it.

So are you one of those "Trannies can't use women's bathrooms" types? Is the reason you're against blockers is so that kids can grow up and still be recognized as Trans, instead of likely appearing more feminine or masculine and thus avoiding the predatory and violent behavior of people who have no problem beating up Trans people for just using the bathroom?
 

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What's pedophilia have to do with Trans people?

Two totally different subjects and have no connection what so ever.
True but that means insanity is no longer an excuse and the 'chair' is an acceptable punishment. You should be wary when it is the pedos themselves that are defining the rules rather than the victims. That goes for bankers and politicians and the guy at the car-wash also.
 

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Or maybe the family that isn't the father is being supportive of their child regardless, loving them regardless, and willing to stand with them regardless.
As for sixteen being too young to make the decision on their own: that's why such decisions for blockers are NOT made on their own, but by SEVERAL neutral medical people who assess and suggest if the child should be on blockers or not. All have to agree; if one doesn't, no blockers. It takes a lot of time to get those validations.
Again, blockers are not an instant get, something on a whim.
But you're right, it's not the father doing any manipulation; the father likely can't even understand what it is to be a parent.

Regardless of what? Are you privy to the family conversations? Or are you going by a biased news article against the father?

Oh I'm sure he understands what it is to be a parent, do condescending snowflakes?