Pipe line protesting hypocrites

Twin_Moose

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Cleaning up an oil spill is far easier and more effective than trying (in vain) to clean-up and reverse the effects of dumping millions of tons of raw sewage into the ocean.

Fact

If only they would follow the same rules as they impose on Oil companies there would be no problems with sewage, settling ponds anyone ;)
 

petros

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Bitumen does not float

Do you still believe it's a one horse pipeline only carrying dilbit?

The money goes to the oil companies. What planet are you one?

It does? Why are SK Natives getting a quarter billion from Enbridge for line 3?

Enbridge said it will spend $250 million on Indigenous labour, training, "capacity building" and community sustainability initiatives across the whole pipeline project.

In Saskatchewan, the company estimates the pipeline will create about 9,175 direct, indirect and induced jobs, and generate $1.0654 billion in GDP and $183.9 million in taxes.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4792651
 

MHz

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It does? Why are SK Natives getting a quarter billion from Enbridge for line 3?
Apparently the ones who drafted the various treaties were stupid enough to leave them with the mineral rights. You care to show the rest of Canadians are getting the same deal from oil sold that is on Crown land?
No such luck for others as the rights to that vaporized as soon as the land was sold by the original owner. That left them with the top 6" and even that means nothing if some utility line crosses that land. You cannot say no and the compensation is set by the buyers rather than the sellers.
 

Twin_Moose

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Apparently the ones who drafted the various treaties were stupid enough to leave them with the mineral rights. You care to show the rest of Canadians are getting the same deal from oil sold that is on Crown land?
No such luck for others as the rights to that vaporized as soon as the land was sold by the original owner. That left them with the top 6" and even that means nothing if some utility line crosses that land. You cannot say no and the compensation is set by the buyers rather than the sellers.

FN don't own crown land nor do they have mineral rights off reserve land, they are trying to argue that they never meant the depth of the plow, because they never knew what that meant, Oral history supersedes written history in Canada.

Granted permission to hunt and follow tradition on Crown lands at the discretion of the Crown.
 

MHz

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Yeah, did you get the part where I said lines being run across some land gets the owners some compensation? If a public road goes across a Reserve they get paid for the land just like people who own the land off the Reserve do. Do they have a choice, not likely.
 

Twin_Moose

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Yeah, did you get the part where I said lines being run across some land gets the owners some compensation? If a public road goes across a Reserve they get paid for the land just like people who own the land off the Reserve do. Do they have a choice, not likely.

Ok I see what you are saying they did address this in the treaties, the Crown can use or take the land if deemed necessary
 

MHz

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FN don't own crown land nor do they have mineral rights off reserve land, they are trying to argue that they never meant the depth of the plow, because they never knew what that meant, Oral history supersedes written history in Canada.
I never said they did, I said the rates paid to the bands is not matched in product extracted from crown land, owned by the taxpayers who do not get directly compensated. You can bet lots of big wigs get a lump sum into their hands by way of the various deals.
 

Twin_Moose

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I never said they did, I said the rates paid to the bands is not matched in product extracted from crown land, owned by the taxpayers who do not get directly compensated. You can bet lots of big wigs get a lump sum into their hands by way of the various deals.

Ok gotcha and I agree with you except the new drill programs are set up in partnership with the bands and paid in partnership share of profits, see Onion Lake as an example.
 

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The money goes to the oil companies. What planet are you one?



Oh, so we don't get any royalties? At all? Huh, who knew. Besides, employees get paid, usually very well, and believe me they pay taxes - big time. So what planet are YOU on?? Geesh. Seriously?

The whole freaking planet is on fire. Do you think better forest management in BC will prevent fires in Europe, China, Australia, Africa, South America?



Well DUH! If they too have bad forest management the answer is yes!! Silly boy....
 

Hoid

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Because all fires are due to poor forest management - according to someone who has spent her life in the deep dark forest.
 

Curious Cdn

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BC's poor forest management practices are a major contributor to this circumstance. BC owes major climate reparations to AB, Sask and MB for the damage they have caused to those provinces

"Major climate reparations" being what?

"Just send money" I suppose.

Careful. Other provinces might just demand reparations from Alberta for the constant emissions from processing oil from bitumen.
 

MHz

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Oh, so we don't get any royalties? At all? Huh, who knew. Besides, employees get paid, usually very well, and believe me they pay taxes - big time. So what planet are YOU on?? Geesh. Seriously?

Well DUH! If they too have bad forest management the answer is yes!! Silly boy....
I didn't say we get 'zero' what I said is the bulk of the profits from the price of a barrel of oil goes to the business rather than Government coffers.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-pay-billions-less-tax-in-canada-than-abroad
Revealed: oil giants pay billions less tax in Canada than abroad



Data shows companies made much higher payments to developing countries in 2016 than to Canadian, provincial governments


Canada taxes its oil and gas companies at a fraction of the rate they are taxed abroad, including by countries ranked among the world’s most corrupt, according to an analysis of public data by the Guardian.

The low rate that oil companies pay in Canada represents billions of dollars in potential revenue lost, which an industry expert who looked at the data says is a worrying sign that the country may be “a kind of tax haven for our own companies.”
The countries where oil companies paid higher rates of taxes, royalties and fees per barrel in 2016 include Nigeria, Indonesia, Ivory Coast and the UK.
“I think it will come as a surprise to most Canadians, including a lot of politicians, that Canada is giving oil companies a cut-rate deal relative to other countries,” said Keith Stewart, an energy analyst with Greenpeace.


Oil company payments to governments in Canada and abroad
Payment per barrel in Canadian dollars, 2016
Chevron Canada

Canada 4
Nigeria 12
Indonesia 30
Suncor Energy Inc.
Canada 2
UK 14
CNRL
Canada 3
Ivory Coast 12


Even with the low rates, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers has been lobbying the federal government for more tax breaks to improve their “competitiveness.”
The Guardian used a new extractive sector database launched in June, 2017, after a law passed by Stephen Harper required oil, gas, and mining companies in Canada to disclose for the first time payments they make to governments around the world. The Guardian compared payment figures for 2016 to oil production levels.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/alberta-royalty-oilpatch-oilsands-1.3905075
As the calendar flipped to 2017, Alberta's oilpatch will begin paying the government under a new royalty system that took five months and cost $3 million to review — but basically looks the same as it did before.
The NDP had vowed before their election victory to make sure oil companies would pay more to taxpayers for pulling the resource out of the ground. After the review, however, the government admitted it changed its stance.
It is not the time to reach out and make a big money grab- Alberta Premier Rachel Notley​
With growing unemployment and the oilpatch bleeding red ink during the downturn, Premier Rachel Notley conceded to reporters, "it is not the time to reach out and make a big money grab, because that is just not going to help Albertans."
The review panel found existing royalty rates charged in Alberta were comparable to other jurisdictions. In 2017, oilsands rates will not change and the new royalty structure for oil, liquids and natural gas will only apply to new wells, while old wells stay under the existing system for 10 years.



The Yellowstone Wildfires were not cause by global warming, Dear. They went ballistic because forest fires had been suppressed for decades.







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