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captain morgan

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Sewage discharge can travel a long way, but beyond 50 feet of the end of the pipe it is too diluted to cause any damage. Victoria's sewage eventually ends up out to the open sea. That is not the case for Vancouver.

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science has not proven that raw sewage harms the environment, has it?

Yes it has. In fish toxicity tests on Victoria's sewage, the fish died within 20 minutes. In identical tests on pulp mill effluent, fish routinely survive for more than 96 hours. These are just a few examples of the growing amount of independent scientific data (i.e. not conducted by a government agency biased against sewage treatment) that supports the need for treatment.

Victoria has discharged raw sewage since 1894; why change now?

In 1894, those responsible for Victoria's sewage did what they were first asked to do - get rid of it. In that era industry also discharged it's effluent untreated, but as our understanding of industrial effluent changed, so did society’s tolerance for pollution. We now understand that raw sewage includes many harmful and toxic chemicals, therefore, environmental laws no longer tolerate raw sewage discharges from municipalities.
 

Hoid

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no raw sewage is discharged by Victoria.

It goes through settling ponds and all solids are removed .

why do people who want to lie about oil pipelines need to lie about sewage?
 

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science has not proven that raw sewage harms the environment, has it?

Yes it has. In fish toxicity tests on Victoria's sewage, the fish died within 20 minutes. In identical tests on pulp mill effluent, fish routinely survive for more than 96 hours. These are just a few examples of the growing amount of independent scientific data (i.e. not conducted by a government agency biased against sewage treatment) that supports the need for treatment.

Victoria has discharged raw sewage since 1894; why change now?

In 1894, those responsible for Victoria's sewage did what they were first asked to do - get rid of it. In that era industry also discharged it's effluent untreated, but as our understanding of industrial effluent changed, so did society’s tolerance for pollution. We now understand that raw sewage includes many harmful and toxic chemicals, therefore, environmental laws no longer tolerate raw sewage discharges from municipalities.

So if a fish stays within a 50 foot radius of the outflow pipe it might die. There are two pipes, so that's two little spots in the bottom of Juan de Fuca that are unhealthy for marine life. Is it worth a billion dollars to get rid of those two spots? I don't think so.
 

Hoid

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Well, they catch a lot of fish around Victoria

Does that enter the argument under the heading of Pudding re Proof?
 

CaptainTrips

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no raw sewage is discharged by Victoria.

It goes through settling ponds and all solids are removed .

why do people who want to lie about oil pipelines need to lie about sewage?

It goes through screens, not settling ponds.
 

JamesBondo

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no raw sewage is discharged by Victoria.

It goes through settling ponds and all solids are removed .

why do people who want to lie about oil pipelines need to lie about sewage?

Clearly you have forgotten that Fort Mac has settling ponds which you as an idiot are supposed to deplore.
 

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spilledthebeer

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So if a fish stays within a 50 foot radius of the outflow pipe it might die. There are two pipes, so that's two little spots in the bottom of Juan de Fuca that are unhealthy for marine life. Is it worth a billion dollars to get rid of those two spots? I don't think so.


And now the people who HATE OIL pipelines want to dismiss whatever marine life gets poisoned by those two "little spots" spewing sewage on Juam de Fuca!


They re hugely distressed if an Orca gets sick but can shrug off seals eating diseased fish and getting sick from that!!!!!


And the same people can ignore Seals STARVING TO DEATH thanks to our over fishing and to our destruction of fish spawning habitat!!!!


The same people who are demanding that the Alberta oil patch are the same people who are refusing to build public transit

because they have other spending priorities- like buying the votes of Black Lives Matter and Idle No more BIGOTS! And of course there is the costly care and feeding of hordes of illegals- also knonw as NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS!!!!


And the same people who want to destroy YOUR JOB with their environmental demands and shrug off the death of marine mammals in sewage that its too much trouble to treat - are also DEMANDING MORE GRAVY from LIE-beral govt!!!!


Oh well- nobody ever said LIE-beral logic is worthy of being called logic!!!!!!
 

captain morgan

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Sewage discharge can travel a long way, but beyond 50 feet of the end of the pipe it is too diluted to cause any damage. Victoria's sewage eventually ends up out to the open sea. That is not the case for Vancouver.


The fines, small particulate and especially anything water soluble will travel all over depending on the active currents/tides and these materials (like heavy metals) will contaminate huge volumes of the water they are exposed to... You are completely ignoring this very real and proven fact

Further, do you honestly believe that after +100 years of dumping raw sewage into these 2 locations, every minute of each and every day, that the sludge, sediments, heavy metals, chemical and all other components that make up human feces magically stays within this mythical 50' radius?
 

CaptainTrips

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The fines, small particulate and especially anything water soluble will travel all over depending on the active currents/tides and these materials (like heavy metals) will contaminate huge volumes of the water they are exposed to... You are completely ignoring this very real and proven fact

Further, do you honestly believe that after +100 years of dumping raw sewage into these 2 locations, every minute of each and every day, that the sludge, sediments, heavy metals, chemical and all other components that make up human feces magically stays within this mythical 50' radius?

It doesn't stay within a 50 foot radius, but beyond that it is too diluted to cause harm.
 

CaptainTrips

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If that's the case there would have been no reason for industry to be nailed for discharging into the oceans, lakes, rivers and subterranean water systems.

Depends what they are discharging and where they are discharging it. In Victoria's case it gets washed out to sea before it can accumulate to dangerous levels.
 

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Depends what they are discharging and where they are discharging it. In Victoria's case it gets washed out to sea before it can accumulate to dangerous levels.

More bullshit. It goes into Puget sound and Georgia Straight.Also onto Victoria beaches. Victoria's sewer system should have been shut down decades ago until they come up to the standards imposed on the rest of BC.
Of course if you are OK with poluting the ocean then leter rip.