Trump Travels to England
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Unfettered trade is only successful if it works both ways. That isn't the case with many trade deals which is why tariffs. Unless you expect everyone involved in manufacturing here to work for two bowls of rice a day we cannot compete with China that uses slave labour. Hence the tariffs to protect our industries.
I would NEVER treat another foreign leader the way he treats, May, Merkel, Juncker, Trudeau, Marcon (except for Putin, who owns his ass).
The man is an incompetent boor.
I know, you and Walter LIKE incompetent boors!
We have almost perfect reciprocity with the US. It doesn't matter when Trump is off his rocker, though. He hates what Canada represents. We are the "anti-Trump in do many ways. He will punish us for not liking him.
You don't seem to savvy much about politics. Politicians are almost always at each other's throats and Trump is no different from the rest of them, it's nothing personal. Both Trudeau and Merkel have been acting like idiots and not too good at listening. You use that word "us" rather lightly. I like him, just recognize his weak points! Unlike Walter (who you seem to compare me with) I don't treat Trump as God.
Sadiq Khan is far more interested in approving infantile balloons to fly over London than taking action against the huge rise in knife crime, thieves on mopeds and acid attacks in the city. So, in response...
It has been less than 48 hour since the whirlwind which is Donald Trump landed in the UK for his first official visit since becoming president of the US - and what a couple of days it has turned out to be.
A floating effigy, a bombshell interview and a meeting with the Queen - all against the backdrop of angry protests.
To be fair, it was never going to be your usual visit by a head of state: the initial invitation, for a full state visit, had created so much outrage it ended up being debated in parliament.
So by the time he touched down - fresh from a Nato summit which had been more than a little tense - the country was braced. Here is how the visit panned out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44822684
Coffee House
Admit it, Trump is right about Sadiq Khan
Freddy Gray
Freddy Gray
13 July 2018
The Spectator
I’m sorry to say this, but Donald Trump really doesn’t think much about Britain at all. He may have some sentimental attachment to Scotland, because of his mother, but we’re not nearly as precious to him as we like to think. He may be blowing British minds today with his explosive Sun interview, but he’ll just shrug it off, go play golf, then meet Putin.
But what Trump does have is an unthinking genius for sniffing out weakness, and he’s unthinkingly sniffed it out in Sadiq Khan.
“I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad. I look at cities in Europe, and I can be specific if you’d like. You have a mayor who has done a terrible job in London. He has done a terrible job.
“I think he has not been hospitable to a government that is very important. Now he might not like the current President, but I represent the United States.”
Khan proudly rebuffed Trump on television this morning. The Evening Standard has produced a ‘No, Mr President’ cover. Hell hath no fury like the metropolitan elite scorned! The trouble is, a lot of Londoners know that Trump has a good point. We might bristle at Trump’s bad manners. We might enjoy that frisson of righteousness that comes with expressing wounded pride. But, deep down, we should admit it – he’s right about our mayor.
Look at the polls. Khan’s popularity is dwindling. Now 30 per cent of Londoners think he is doing a bad job. He polls increasingly badly among poor people, who suffer most in a badly managed city.
It’s a bit unfair to blame Khan for terrorism. But Trump is right on crime: knife crime really is a problem, public services are suffering, and Khan is doing nothing about it.
Khan excels at going on telly and writing his own press releases. He’s not so good at managing complex municipal issues. As Andrew Gilligan has pointed out, he’s not lived up to any of promises on social housing, transport fares, and much more.
So, as lifelong Londoner, I’d like to say, Mr President, thank you for pointing out an uncomfortable truth: Sadiq Khan has done a terrible job. Let’s not let our pride get in the way of recognising that.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/admit-it-trump-is-right-about-sadiq-khan/
It has been less than 48 hour since the whirlwind which is Donald Trump landed in the UK for his first official visit since becoming president of the US - and what a couple of days it has turned out to be.
A floating effigy, a bombshell interview and a meeting with the Queen - all against the backdrop of angry protests.
To be fair, it was never going to be your usual visit by a head of state: the initial invitation, for a full state visit, had created so much outrage it ended up being debated in parliament.
So by the time he touched down - fresh from a Nato summit which had been more than a little tense - the country was braced. Here is how the visit panned out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44822684
Coffee House
Admit it, Trump is right about Sadiq Khan
Freddy Gray
Freddy Gray
13 July 2018
The Spectator
I’m sorry to say this, but Donald Trump really doesn’t think much about Britain at all. He may have some sentimental attachment to Scotland, because of his mother, but we’re not nearly as precious to him as we like to think. He may be blowing British minds today with his explosive Sun interview, but he’ll just shrug it off, go play golf, then meet Putin.
But what Trump does have is an unthinking genius for sniffing out weakness, and he’s unthinkingly sniffed it out in Sadiq Khan.
“I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad. I look at cities in Europe, and I can be specific if you’d like. You have a mayor who has done a terrible job in London. He has done a terrible job.
Khan proudly rebuffed Trump on television this morning. The Evening Standard has produced a ‘No, Mr President’ cover. Hell hath no fury like the metropolitan elite scorned! The trouble is, a lot of Londoners know that Trump has a good point. We might bristle at Trump’s bad manners. We might enjoy that frisson of righteousness that comes with expressing wounded pride. But, deep down, we should admit it – he’s right about our mayor.
Look at the polls. Khan’s popularity is dwindling. Now 30 per cent of Londoners think he is doing a bad job. He polls increasingly badly among poor people, who suffer most in a badly managed city.
It’s a bit unfair to blame Khan for terrorism. But Trump is right on crime: knife crime really is a problem, public services are suffering, and Khan is doing nothing about it.
Khan excels at going on telly and writing his own press releases. He’s not so good at managing complex municipal issues. As Andrew Gilligan has pointed out, he’s not lived up to any of promises on social housing, transport fares, and much more.
So, as lifelong Londoner, I’d like to say, Mr President, thank you for pointing out an uncomfortable truth: Sadiq Khan has done a terrible job. Let’s not let our pride get in the way of recognising that.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/admit-it-trump-is-right-about-sadiq-khan/
Trump's visit to the Queen goes over like a sour fart ...
The 3 royal rules Donald Trump broke during his excruciating meeting with the Queen.
I'm sure that from Trump's perspective, he was holding court for HER.
The 3 royal rules Donald Trump broke during his excruciating meeting with the Queen.
I'm sure that from Trump's perspective, he was holding court for HER.
"Getting chummy with not one, but two evil dictators."
You can't please the liberals. One minute they're saying that Trump is being too belligerent towards North Korea and is putting the world on the brink of a nuclear war (remember when they were saying that?), whereas now they're saying that he's getting too friendly with North Korea and that he's "sucking up to a dictator."
Surely I'm not the only one to have noticed this.
When Michelle Obama broke protocol by placing her hand on the Queen, it was seen as just a bit of an innocent, friendly thing; a touchy-feely American breaking stiff British protocol and making things more relaxed and less formal; it was generally seen as quite a funny thing, from what I remember.
But when Trump supposedly breaks royal protocol in much the same way, it's suddenly treated as though an evil thing has just happened.
ROBERT HARDMAN: I don't remember huge protests against world leaders who criminalize homosexuality or stop women voting... so why was Trump cast as the pantomime villain?
By Robert Hardman for the Daily Mail
14 July 2018
Perhaps I just wasn't paying attention but I am pretty sure that this lot were not here three months ago. On that occasion, London was hosting not just one 'bigot' but dozens. In fact, all told, the 2018 Commonwealth summit honoured no less than 37 world leaders who choose to criminalise homosexuality in their countries.
I certainly remember them all getting a full state welcome and dinner at Buckingham Palace. The funny thing is, I just can't recall the protests. Nor did I see the placards a month earlier when a leader who bans women from voting in general elections – and only let them drive cars this year – was a guest of honour in the City of London.
Aside from a handful of protestors outside Downing Street, there was no street march against Crown Prince Mohammed of Saudi Arabia.
Maybe everyone was washing their hair that day.
Aside from a handful of protestors outside Downing Street, there was no street march against Crown Prince Mohammed of Saudi Arabia
Yesterday, however, thousands did manage to find the time to hit the streets to hurl various forms of abuse – some of it cogent, much of it unprintable and lot of it simply adolescent – at our most important ally.
I imagine most women, most gays and most members of any ethnic minority would much prefer to live in Donald Trump's USA than most nations on earth. Yesterday, however, he was cast as the pantomime enemy of almost every cause on the political spectrum from centre-Left grievances all the way out to the communists (who certainly deserved the award for the most elaborate banner yesterday – a magnificent old-fashioned specimen beautifully embroidered with Lenin and Marx).
Whatever your issue – Brexit, climate change, feminism, Palestine, capitalism, gay and transgender rights – Donald Trump was the problem and guilty as charged. So roll up, folks, and signal your virtues.
Two separate demonstrations and an inflatable effigy of Mr Trump formed the main opposition to the American President in central London, culminating in a Trafalgar Square rally yesterday evening.
Among those on the stage at the foot of Nelson's Column was the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, in full Trump-bashing mode. 'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn,' they chanted. The trans-atlantic alliance would certainly be a very special relationship indeed if it was ever left in the hands of Messrs Trump and Corbyn.
The blow-up baby Trump attracted most attention. We had been promised a giant blimp flying over Parliament. In the event, we got a balloon – 20ft long and 10ft wide; the sort of thing you might find promoting a car dealership – which rose about as high as Big Ben's knee. Aviation rules meant it could not go any higher.
The organisers, dressed in overalls with 'Trump Babysitter' on the back, seemed very pleased with it all. One of them, Max Wakefield, 30, told me that the plan was to take the thing up to Scotland this weekend as Mr Trump relaxes at his Ayrshire golf resort.
I am not sure what the law says about banner headlines proclaiming the F-word and the C-word in public places – and in front of children – but they were deemed entirely acceptable yesterday
A modest crowd of a few hundred gathered taking photos, but, after all the hype, the stunt seemed somewhat underwhelming. 'Utterly pathetic pointless graceless,' tweeted the Conservative MP, Sir Nicholas Soames. The sight of the glorified orange beach ball floating alongside the mighty, brooding statue of Sir Nicholas's grandfather, Sir Winston Churchill, was surely a new low for Parliament Square.
The organisers had originally been denied permission to fly their balloon by the Greater London Authority. However, when the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, caught a whiff of some right-on publicity points, he had waded in and overruled his own staff. Let Baby Trump fly, he decreed. Regardless of the insult to ordinary US citizens – I got in to a cab just as it was vacated by an American family who found it highly offensive – it will have sent a pretty toxic message to middle America when it aired on last night's news bulletins. No one could deny the rights of ordinary people to make whatever sort of protest they might choose within the bounds of the law. However, the fact that this one was formally endorsed by the elected leader of a world city – a latter-day incarnation of Dick Whittington no less – will have appalled many.
Rather more striking than the balloon was the prevalence of obscenities. I am not sure what the law says about banner headlines proclaiming the F-word and the C-word in public places – and in front of children – but they were deemed entirely acceptable yesterday. The organisers had even commissioned rolls of police-style yellow tape imprinted with 'F*** OFF' which was being liberally applied to everything. Under the circumstances, the ubiquitous stickers saying 'Bollocks To Brexit, Bollocks To Trump' seemed pretty innocuous.
As 'Baby Trump' was being deflated (the helium extracted with a leaf-blower), the first of the main marches was lining up outside the headquarters of the BBC on Portland Place. This had been billed as primarily a women's demonstration. Many placards had picked up on Trump's deplorable remarks about 'grabbing women by the p****' during a private conversation, secretly recorded in 2005. 'The P**** Grabs Back' declared many.
'Stop Trump!': Hundreds of demonstrators march through Regent Street in London holding placards
Some 10,000 protestors (they were crossing the start line at a rate of 360 per minute for about 25 minutes) set off for Parliament Square, joined half way along the route by a separate 'Soho Drag Queen' demonstration. In among the usual 'Dump Trump' stuff were a number of obscenities, plus a banner proclaiming: 'I Had Cancer And You're Worse.'
Two hours later, a larger demonstration lined up in the same spot. Here was a coalition of trade unions, student bodies, Remainers, family gatherings and far-Left pressure groups. The anthropology department of University College, London had brought a large female effigy held aloft and accompanied by a platoon of women dressed in red capes (a nod to the television drama, The Handmaid's Tale) along with one of the day's more erudite messages: 'Matriarchy Not Patriarchy.'
In the front row, I found the former Labour leader Ed Milliband. I asked him if it was not a tad inconsistent – hypocritical even – to demonise Mr Trump but not protest against a catalogue of notably more illiberal world leaders. 'We rightly expect a higher standard of our leading democracies,' he explained. 'And Trump's behaviour really does represent a significant departure from what we expect.'
If we do get a post-Brexit deal, we will have the Queen to thank, not an unfunny helium-filled prank
It took 90 minutes for this march to cross the start line, stop-starting at a rate of 240 marchers per minute. Many more were waiting in Trafalgar Square. All in all, these protests certainly amounted to tens of thousands, if not the six-figure numbers predicted by the organisers.
So will we see them all the next time an unelected dictator – a ruler with none of Mr Trump's democratic legitimacy – arrives in town from Asia or Africa or Latin America? Don't hold your breath.
Mr Trump is in a league of his own. Whether any of this will make any difference to our prospects of a post-Brexit trade deal is unclear.
But if we do get one, we will have the Queen to thank, not an unfunny helium-filled prank.
ROBERT HARDMAN: Why was Trump cast as the villain when most of us would rather live in the US? | Daily Mail Online
Something like that yes.
And to hype for a week that a Trump baby blimp will fly over London when it turns out to be a balloon.
If you want to see an egocentric twit, you might think of "Trump".......
Try looking in the Mirror.......
Try looking in the Mirror.......
Actually Trump's deportment with the Queen was impeccable. I think she must have been greatly embarrassed by her subjects!