Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

Cliffy

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It is difficult to buy into the governments commitment to consultation when they are approving a pipeline during the consultation process.

Its a sham - but to be fair nobody has ever had to negotiate with First Nations before building. Its always been afterwards - if at all.
I like how the good white folk on here approve of indigenous people when they act like white folk but get their panties in a knot when they try to assert their legal human and land rights.
 

petros

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The next election isn't until 2021 so are you saying that the pipeine will be in limbo for the next 3-4 years?

The next election is coming sooner than you think. All it takes is 1 Dipper to cross the floor, die or give up.

panties in a knot when they try to assert their legal human and land rights.

Like a white person?
 

gerryh

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I like how the good white folk on here approve of indigenous people when they act like white folk but get their panties in a knot when they try to assert their legal human and land rights.


Racist
 

JLM

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The next election is coming sooner than you think. All it takes is 1 Dipper to cross the floor, die or give up.

Don't be surprised if John Horgan finds he has a full blown mutiny on his hands within the next 6 months. He's already spending money faster than "the well" can refill. He's made promises to the wrong people he can't sustain.
 

pgs

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Don't be surprised if John Horgan finds he has a full blown mutiny on his hands within the next 6 months. He's already spending money faster than "the well" can refill. He's made promises to the wrong people he can't sustain.
Yes the B.C. Federation of labour is a large supporter of the NDP . The building trades are members of the federation , is any pushback happening ?
 

Cliffy

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John Horgan


Whether a community was built on forestry or mining, agriculture or small business, an oil spill will hurt all British Columbians, cost us tens of thousands of good-paying jobs, and make it harder for people to get ahead.
The national interest is not being served if we force the risk of catastrophe on unwilling communities. Nor does it advance true and meaningful reconciliation with Indigenous peoples.
Defending our coast means defending our people, communities, and our way of life.
BC is squarely within its rights to do so.

http://medium.com/@johnhorgan4bc/https-medium-com-defending-bcs-interests-3b9e64e9a7a2
 

JLM

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Re: Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansio

Yes the B.C. Federation of labour is a large supporter of the NDP . The building trades are members of the federation , is any pushback happening ?

Just stall that pipeline much longer and we'll see! :lol:

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John Horgan


Whether a community was built on forestry or mining, agriculture or small business, an oil spill will hurt all British Columbians, cost us tens of thousands of good-paying jobs, and make it harder for people to get ahead.
The national interest is not being served if we force the risk of catastrophe on unwilling communities. Nor does it advance true and meaningful reconciliation with Indigenous peoples.
Defending our coast means defending our people, communities, and our way of life.
BC is squarely within its rights to do so.

http://medium.com/@johnhorgan4bc/https-medium-com-defending-bcs-interests-3b9e64e9a7a2

So you'd rather just haul oil by rail and trust another "Lac Magantic" doesn't happen?
(I think the country is bigger than the province, Cliffy, didn't I hear somewhere "a Canadian first and a British Columbian second"?)
 

pgs

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John Horgan


Whether a community was built on forestry or mining, agriculture or small business, an oil spill will hurt all British Columbians, cost us tens of thousands of good-paying jobs, and make it harder for people to get ahead.
The national interest is not being served if we force the risk of catastrophe on unwilling communities. Nor does it advance true and meaningful reconciliation with Indigenous peoples.
Defending our coast means defending our people, communities, and our way of life.
BC is squarely within its rights to do so.

http://medium.com/@johnhorgan4bc/https-medium-com-defending-bcs-interests-3b9e64e9a7a2
He has to say that to keep his three green members on side .It would bean interesting legislature if the speaker of the house resigned .
 

petros

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Re: Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansio

Just stall that pipeline much longer and we'll see! :lol:



So you'd rather just haul oil by rail and trust another "Lac Magantic" doesn't happen?
(I think the country is bigger than the province, Cliffy, didn't I hear somewhere "a Canadian first and a British Columbian second"?)

It isn't a choice when oil is already flowing by rail. One rail car falling in the Fraser is worse than 10 tankers in the Barnet Inlet
 

pgs

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It isn't a choice when oil is already flowing by rail. One rail car falling in the Fraser is worse than 10 tankers in the Barnet Inlet
That fact is lost on the green weavers .
 

taxslave

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And your point ? What is the comparative damage from all of the above against the one spill in Lac Megantic ?

He has no point. Just figured out how to Google and had to share the find.

Trans Mountain pipeline project facing new legal challenges from First Nations

Opposition is mounting against the proposed expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline as three First Nations launch fresh legal challenges aimed at stymying a project they say was approved without proper consultation.

Representatives from the coastal Tsleil-Waututh and Squamish nations, as well as the Coldwater Indian Band near Merritt in B.C.’s Interior, told reporters Tuesday that the federal government failed to meaningfully include them in the planning and review process before approving Kinder Morgan Canada’s $6.8-billion project.
http://globalnews.ca/news/3187421/first-nations-take-crown-to-court-over-pipeline/



The pipeline crosses 518km of Secwepemc territory over which the First Nations assert Aboriginal title, a type of land rights that the supreme court of Canada has recognized were never ceded or relinquished through treaties.
The Secwepemc could not oppose the original Trans Mountain pipeline being built through their territory in 1951, because it was illegal at the time for Indigenous peoples to politically organize or hire lawyers to advocate on their behalf.
“[Kinder Morgan] either does not understand the diverse realities of Indigenous rights in Canada or they are wilfully ignoring the consequences of those rights for the project,” the report says. “Either way, it should be a major red flag for investors, lenders, and other financial backers.”


http://www.theguardian.com/environm...bstacle-to-kinder-morgan-pipeline-report-says

None of which are near the pipeline but think they should get in on the slush fund. Gives the chiefs a million apease and the problem will go away.
 

Mowich

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I like how the good white folk on here approve of indigenous people when they act like white folk but get their panties in a knot when they try to assert their legal human and land rights.

Whoa..........acting like white folk, eh Cliffy. So in your mind those FNs who support the extension aren't exercising their legal human rights and land rights, and the right to determine what is best for their people? How very paternalistic of you.
 

taxslave

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Yes the B.C. Federation of labour is a large supporter of the NDP . The building trades are members of the federation , is any pushback happening ?

Lots. But out of the public eye. My union and most of the others in the building trades are not happy with Horgan. Some actually supported the BC Liberal in the last election. I think they are finally coming to the same conclusion I came to 20 years ago that the NDP does not represent working people. It is totally controlled by government unions.
 

gerryh

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Whoa..........acting like white folk, eh Cliffy. So in your mind those FNs who support the extension aren't exercising their legal human rights and land rights, and the right to determine what is best for their people? How very paternalistic of you.



Like I said to him....racist...... and then the mental midget (mentalfloss) didn't understand why. Cliffy is one of THE biggest racists on this board. I'm beginning to really think that Liberals are the racists, not the Conservatives like I keep hearing.
 

petros

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Racial integration was coming along just fine until Lefties re-established the deliniations.

SJWS who feed off their misbielf they are making a difference for those "below them" who will never be raised upon high without their hard whining and yelling at buildings.
 

Mowich

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John Horgan


Whether a community was built on forestry or mining, agriculture or small business, an oil spill will hurt all British Columbians, cost us tens of thousands of good-paying jobs, and make it harder for people to get ahead.
The national interest is not being served if we force the risk of catastrophe on unwilling communities. Nor does it advance true and meaningful reconciliation with Indigenous peoples.
Defending our coast means defending our people, communities, and our way of life.
BC is squarely within its rights to do so.

http://medium.com/@johnhorgan4bc/https-medium-com-defending-bcs-interests-3b9e64e9a7a2

BC does have a right to defend its coast, Cliffy. It does NOT have the right to stop this extension which is the purview of the Feds. Horgan obviously, like you, feels that the FNs whose territories will be crossed by the line and who are in complete and total support of the extension, matter not. So much for meaningful reconciliation with them, eh.