Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion
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It will eventually get built, but it maybe after the current BC gov has changed and the KM pipeline sold to one of the governments.
It will eventually get built, but it maybe after the current BC gov has changed and the KM pipeline sold to one of the governments.
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The next election isn't until 2021 so are you saying that the pipeine will be in limbo for the next 3-4 years?
The next election isn't until 2021 so are you saying that the pipeine will be in limbo for the next 3-4 years?
Simple- the ones for it understand it and the ones against it don't, or have no tolerance for risks. :lol:
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Not necessarily, the BC gov is hanging on to power by a thread, it could fall at almost anytime.
Not necessarily, the BC gov is hanging on to power by a thread, it could fall at almost anytime.
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This might be the perfect situation to hold a binding referendum.
This might be the perfect situation to hold a binding referendum.
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It's an Ersatz government at best, comprised of "two tails wagging the dog". It should be illegal. Horgan should be charged with treason.
It's an Ersatz government at best, comprised of "two tails wagging the dog". It should be illegal. Horgan should be charged with treason.
Thank you for that, OB. Count me firmly on the pro-side. I am for pipelines.
Yes.
No. One way or another, the pipeline extension will continue. I favor the side wanting to buy into the line to assure KM that Canada does indeed have as stake in the line.
Me too, I've been having an argument with my 21 year old grand daughter who knows everything. A hell of a lot safer than hauling by rail!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster
I found myself debating the issue with a neighbor the other day, JLM. It is the first time we have come to a disagreement on something so fundamental. She once owned a house beside a pipeline and when the company - I believe it was TM - wanted to expand the line with two more pipes her and her neighbors protested. The idea was eventually dropped when a better route was found. Never in all the time she lived there was there so much as a drip of oil. She even mentioned the frequent checks of the line and pipe done by the company. She is honest enough to admit that much of her opposition is based on the 'what if' theory and once pressed conceded that the line would benefit the province economically helping to fund social programs as well as provide decent jobs. We finally reached an impasse and decided to drop the subject.
Here's the top 20 onshore spills since 2010
— July 29, 2013: 865,200 gallons, crude oil, Tesoro High Plains Pipeline Co., MountRail County, N.D., $17,755,766
— July 25, 2010: 843,444 gallons, crude oil, Enbridge Energy, Marshall, Mich., $927,270,213
— Dec. 5, 2016: 529,830 gallons, crude oil, Belle Fourche Pipeline Co., Billings County, N.D., $11,334,049
— June 4, 2011: 513,618 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Chico, Texas, $1,472,079
— Oct. 11, 2010: 428,400 gallons, crude oil, Centurion Pipeline LP, Levelland, Texas, $70,748
— Jan. 19, 2017: 420,378 gallons, crude oil, Tallgrass Pony Express Pipeline, Logan County, Colo., $345,554
— April 13, 2011: 378,000 gallons, gasoline, Marathon Pipe Line, Dansville, Mich., $38,661,147
— Dec. 8, 2014: 369,600 gallons, gasoline, Plantation Pipe Line Co., Belton, S.C., $3,951,634
— August 29, 2016: 361,200 gallons, crude oil, Sunoco Pipeline LP, Sweetwater, Texas, $4,017,900
— Oct. 23, 2016: 319,326 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Cushing, Okla., $7,818,638
— Sept. 9, 2010: 316,596 gallons, crude oil, Enbridge Energy, Romeoville, Illi., $52,284,683
— Sept. 9, 2016: 309,540 gallons, gasoline, Colonial Pipeline Co., Helena, Ala., $66,234,072
— Jan. 27, 2011: 290,262 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Iola, Texas $4,834,962
— Aug. 31, 2017: 240,072 gallons gasoline, Magellan Terminals Holdings LP, Galena Park, Texas, $1,340,026
— March 9, 2013:235,200 gallons, crude oil, Lion Oil Trading and Transportation, Inc., Magnolia, Ark., $3,538,062
— Aug. 31, 2017: 221,424 gallons, gasoline, Magellan Terminals Holding LP, Galena Park, Texas, $1,292,026
— Jan. 30, 2017: 210,000 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline, Anna, Texas, $2,346,925
— Nov. 16, 2017: 210,000 gallons, crude oil, TransCanada Corp, Marshall County, S.D., Cost not yet known
— Oct. 13, 2014: 189,378 gallons, crude oil, Mid-Valley Pipeline Co., Mooringsport, La., $12,049,280
— Oct. 31, 2016: 186,669 gallons, gasoline, Colonial Pipeline Co., Helena, Ala., $16,844,292
— July 29, 2013: 865,200 gallons, crude oil, Tesoro High Plains Pipeline Co., MountRail County, N.D., $17,755,766
— July 25, 2010: 843,444 gallons, crude oil, Enbridge Energy, Marshall, Mich., $927,270,213
— Dec. 5, 2016: 529,830 gallons, crude oil, Belle Fourche Pipeline Co., Billings County, N.D., $11,334,049
— June 4, 2011: 513,618 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Chico, Texas, $1,472,079
— Oct. 11, 2010: 428,400 gallons, crude oil, Centurion Pipeline LP, Levelland, Texas, $70,748
— Jan. 19, 2017: 420,378 gallons, crude oil, Tallgrass Pony Express Pipeline, Logan County, Colo., $345,554
— April 13, 2011: 378,000 gallons, gasoline, Marathon Pipe Line, Dansville, Mich., $38,661,147
— Dec. 8, 2014: 369,600 gallons, gasoline, Plantation Pipe Line Co., Belton, S.C., $3,951,634
— August 29, 2016: 361,200 gallons, crude oil, Sunoco Pipeline LP, Sweetwater, Texas, $4,017,900
— Oct. 23, 2016: 319,326 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Cushing, Okla., $7,818,638
— Sept. 9, 2010: 316,596 gallons, crude oil, Enbridge Energy, Romeoville, Illi., $52,284,683
— Sept. 9, 2016: 309,540 gallons, gasoline, Colonial Pipeline Co., Helena, Ala., $66,234,072
— Jan. 27, 2011: 290,262 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline LLC, Iola, Texas $4,834,962
— Aug. 31, 2017: 240,072 gallons gasoline, Magellan Terminals Holdings LP, Galena Park, Texas, $1,340,026
— March 9, 2013:235,200 gallons, crude oil, Lion Oil Trading and Transportation, Inc., Magnolia, Ark., $3,538,062
— Aug. 31, 2017: 221,424 gallons, gasoline, Magellan Terminals Holding LP, Galena Park, Texas, $1,292,026
— Jan. 30, 2017: 210,000 gallons, crude oil, Enterprise Crude Pipeline, Anna, Texas, $2,346,925
— Nov. 16, 2017: 210,000 gallons, crude oil, TransCanada Corp, Marshall County, S.D., Cost not yet known
— Oct. 13, 2014: 189,378 gallons, crude oil, Mid-Valley Pipeline Co., Mooringsport, La., $12,049,280
— Oct. 31, 2016: 186,669 gallons, gasoline, Colonial Pipeline Co., Helena, Ala., $16,844,292
And your point ? What is the comparative damage from all of the above against the one spill in Lac Megantic ?
Trans Mountain pipeline project facing new legal challenges from First Nations
Opposition is mounting against the proposed expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline as three First Nations launch fresh legal challenges aimed at stymying a project they say was approved without proper consultation.
Representatives from the coastal Tsleil-Waututh and Squamish nations, as well as the Coldwater Indian Band near Merritt in B.C.’s Interior, told reporters Tuesday that the federal government failed to meaningfully include them in the planning and review process before approving Kinder Morgan Canada’s $6.8-billion project.
http://globalnews.ca/news/3187421/first-nations-take-crown-to-court-over-pipeline/
The pipeline crosses 518km of Secwepemc territory over which the First Nations assert Aboriginal title, a type of land rights that the supreme court of Canada has recognized were never ceded or relinquished through treaties.
The Secwepemc could not oppose the original Trans Mountain pipeline being built through their territory in 1951, because it was illegal at the time for Indigenous peoples to politically organize or hire lawyers to advocate on their behalf.
“[Kinder Morgan] either does not understand the diverse realities of Indigenous rights in Canada or they are wilfully ignoring the consequences of those rights for the project,” the report says. “Either way, it should be a major red flag for investors, lenders, and other financial backers.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...bstacle-to-kinder-morgan-pipeline-report-says
Opposition is mounting against the proposed expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline as three First Nations launch fresh legal challenges aimed at stymying a project they say was approved without proper consultation.
Representatives from the coastal Tsleil-Waututh and Squamish nations, as well as the Coldwater Indian Band near Merritt in B.C.’s Interior, told reporters Tuesday that the federal government failed to meaningfully include them in the planning and review process before approving Kinder Morgan Canada’s $6.8-billion project.
http://globalnews.ca/news/3187421/first-nations-take-crown-to-court-over-pipeline/
The pipeline crosses 518km of Secwepemc territory over which the First Nations assert Aboriginal title, a type of land rights that the supreme court of Canada has recognized were never ceded or relinquished through treaties.
The Secwepemc could not oppose the original Trans Mountain pipeline being built through their territory in 1951, because it was illegal at the time for Indigenous peoples to politically organize or hire lawyers to advocate on their behalf.
“[Kinder Morgan] either does not understand the diverse realities of Indigenous rights in Canada or they are wilfully ignoring the consequences of those rights for the project,” the report says. “Either way, it should be a major red flag for investors, lenders, and other financial backers.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...bstacle-to-kinder-morgan-pipeline-report-says
It is difficult to buy into the governments commitment to consultation when they are approving a pipeline during the consultation process.
Its a sham - but to be fair nobody has ever had to negotiate with First Nations before building. Its always been afterwards - if at all.
Its a sham - but to be fair nobody has ever had to negotiate with First Nations before building. Its always been afterwards - if at all.