Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Corduroy

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Okay.
This is really quite simple.
The project has been approved. It is in the national interest, and needs to be declared so by the federal gov't.
According to our constitution, inter-provincial transportation of goods is solely a federal responsibility
That means BC has no say. Period. All it takes is a federal gov't willing to do its job.
Declare this project in the national interest, tell BC to howl all it likes, but we're building it, and put the shovels in the ground.
Peaceful protest is, of course, perfectly within the rights of the people. However, blocking the project or trying to sabotage it physically is not. Do not stand for it. Use the minimum force necessary to expediate the process of construction, but be willing to use force against those that break the law.
And if BC tries to pass some blocking legislation, the feds need to disallow it.
Yes, they have that constitutional power. Unused since the 1940s, but it is there, in black and white.
Just do it.
If we were like this 150 years ago, we wouldn't be a country, because we'd still be waiting for the railroad to be built.

The heavy-hand of central authority has it's appeal when it gets you what you want.

If the government comes out West to dictate energy policy, but you don't like the policy, then the appeals to the authority to the glorious central state evaporate. Whole political movements spring up demanding reform and insisting the government listen to the West. They want small government and stronger provincial decision making.
 

captain morgan

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The heavy-hand of central authority has it's appeal when it gets you what you want.

Without a centralized authority, you have little more than multiple fiefdoms operating independently

If the government comes out West to dictate energy policy, but you don't like the policy, then the appeals to the authority to the glorious central state evaporate. Whole political movements spring up demanding reform and insisting the government listen to the West. They want small government and stronger provincial decision making.

The Feds are dictating energy policy... What we have here is the fiefdom of BC attempting to dictate policy to the ROC
 

Murphy

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The heavy-hand of central authority has it's appeal when it gets you what you want.

If the government comes out West to dictate energy policy, but you don't like the policy, then the appeals to the authority to the glorious central state evaporate. Whole political movements spring up demanding reform and insisting the government listen to the West. They want small government and stronger provincial decision making.

Ridiculous. Do you know why Ottawa is the capital of Canada? Queen Victoria chose it. It is not an east vs. west thing, as you are trying to imply. It is a federal vs provincial government thing.

http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/ottawa-chosen-canadian-capital

WRT energy, the feds hold the cards. If you wish to whine about it, I suggest you complain about why the feds have total say. And, how it came to be that way, if you want to go retro.
 

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The heavy-hand of central authority has it's appeal when it gets you what you want.

If the government comes out West to dictate energy policy, but you don't like the policy, then the appeals to the authority to the glorious central state evaporate. Whole political movements spring up demanding reform and insisting the government listen to the West. They want small government and stronger provincial decision making.

Secretly, Colpy has always wanted a big, authoritarian government.
(It's the hair.)
 

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Ridiculous. Do you know why Ottawa is the capital of Canada? Queen Victoria chose it. It is not an east vs. west thing, as you are trying to imply. It is a federal vs provincial government thing.

Ottawa chosen as Canadian Capital | History Today

WRT energy, the feds hold the cards. If you wish to whine about it, I suggest you complain about why the feds have total say. And, how it came to be that way, if you want to go retro.

She chose Pile'O'Bones as the capital of the NW Territories as well She must have like Vagina as well LOL
 

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Without a centralized authority, you have little more than multiple fiefdoms operating independently



The Feds are dictating energy policy... What we have here is the fiefdom of BC attempting to dictate policy to the ROC
We need a good ole fashion pig war , that’s what we need .
 

Corduroy

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Ridiculous. Do you know why Ottawa is the capital of Canada? Queen Victoria chose it. It is not an east vs. west thing, as you are trying to imply. It is a federal vs provincial government thing.

Ottawa chosen as Canadian Capital | History Today

WRT energy, the feds hold the cards. If you wish to whine about it, I suggest you complain about why the feds have total say. And, how it came to be that way, if you want to go retro.

Yeah, I think the impetus of the Reform party is ridiculous too.
 

Cliffy

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Sorry Alberta, BC Will Not Pay for Your Bungling

Pipeline is a desperate, dangerous and doomed bid to fix decades of resource mismanagement.

Last month Suncor announced it was eliminating 400 bitumen-mining jobs by purchasing self-driving ore trucks. This is only the latest indignity (or “efficiency” as industry calls it) for a sector that produces more carbon and less and less employment and public revenue.


Both Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Alberta Premier Rachel Notley are staking their political careers on the Trans Mountain pipeline and massively increased bitumen production. Why?
Bitumen royalties now make up a puny 3.5 per cent of the total Alberta budget. Last year, the oil patch shed 14 per cent of its workforce. Over the last decade 5,100 fewer people were employed by Alberta’s oil and gas sector — a trend that oil companies have assured shareholders will continue. Meanwhile Canada was just ranked 51st out of 60 counties in the 2018 Climate Change Performance Index — weighed down in large part by a certain oily elephant north of Edmonton.
If we are selling out core Canadian values like aspiring to be a global leader on climate policy, let’s at least negotiate a decent price. But as usual Canada seems to get very little for exploitation by others of our vast resource endowment.



http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/02/09/Sorry-Alberta-BC-Will-Not-Pay-For-Your-Bungling/
 

Cliffy

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Only Fantasies, Desperation and Wishful Thinking Keep Pipeline Plans Alive

There is no waiting Asian market for oilsands crude. In fact there’s no waiting market anywhere.

Canadians are often told the Trans Mountain pipeline project is imperative to access Asian markets anxious to buy Alberta bitumen.
True? Like many things in life, the truth is found in hard facts, not overheated rhetoric or wishful thinking. Ten years ago the Trans Mountain pipeline was quietly expanded by 40,000 barrels per day, about 13 per cent. With a decade of shipping data available since that upgrade, has the Asian market since exploded for Alberta bitumen?
Crunching the cargo statistics from the Port of Vancouver a very different picture emerges. In 2016 — the last year that complete data is available — the U.S. accounted for 99.99 per cent of outbound crude oil shipments. Of the 1,185,289 tonnes of crude shipped in bulk tankers that year, 1,185,121 tonnes were delivered to the United States.
In fact, total crude tanker shipments from Vancouver peaked eight years ago in 2010 at 4.3 million tonnes and have since declined 72 per cent.

And what about those hungry Asian markets? Crude exports from Vancouver to China topped out in 2011 at only 28 per cent of total outbound shipments. By 2014, they dropped to six per cent, and in 2016 they were essentially zero. The next largest Asian importers of crude from Vancouver were Singapore, which peaked at four per cent of total shipments in 2009, and India reaching two per cent in 2013.


http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/02/23/Fantasies-Keep-Pipeline-Plans-Alive/
 

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The pipeline expansion is over until they invent a way to clean it up - which is impossible and they know it and we know it.

Now what we need to concentrate on is shutting the existing pipeline down - which will happen as a matter of economics.
 

Danbones

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Now what we need to concentrate on is shutting the existing pipeline down - which will happen as a matter of economics

Riiiiiggggghhhhht! The expoit speaketh - oil up 20 bucks USD since last summer.
https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts

This is why they invented "citations", so the reader can tell the difference between those that just pretends to look smawt, as opposed to the ones that is.
:)

She chose Pile'O'Bones as the capital of the NW Territories as well She must have like Vagina as well LOL

Elton is a British queen, rumor has it he's not all that fond of ******s...
:)
but he does love the Yellowknife Road.
 

petros

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Only Fantasies, Desperation and Wishful Thinking Keep Pipeline Plans Alive

There is no waiting Asian market for oilsands crude. In fact there’s no waiting market anywhere.

Canadians are often told the Trans Mountain pipeline project is imperative to access Asian markets anxious to buy Alberta bitumen.
True? Like many things in life, the truth is found in hard facts, not overheated rhetoric or wishful thinking. Ten years ago the Trans Mountain pipeline was quietly expanded by 40,000 barrels per day, about 13 per cent. With a decade of shipping data available since that upgrade, has the Asian market since exploded for Alberta bitumen?
Crunching the cargo statistics from the Port of Vancouver a very different picture emerges. In 2016 — the last year that complete data is available — the U.S. accounted for 99.99 per cent of outbound crude oil shipments. Of the 1,185,289 tonnes of crude shipped in bulk tankers that year, 1,185,121 tonnes were delivered to the United States.
In fact, total crude tanker shipments from Vancouver peaked eight years ago in 2010 at 4.3 million tonnes and have since declined 72 per cent.

And what about those hungry Asian markets? Crude exports from Vancouver to China topped out in 2011 at only 28 per cent of total outbound shipments. By 2014, they dropped to six per cent, and in 2016 they were essentially zero. The next largest Asian importers of crude from Vancouver were Singapore, which peaked at four per cent of total shipments in 2009, and India reaching two per cent in 2013.


http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/02/23/Fantasies-Keep-Pipeline-Plans-Alive/
From Tyee Opinions. Great source of fact.

The Kinder Morgan project, in part because of its location, will likely send most of its crude to California, although some may also flow to Asia. For oil companies such as Cenovus, the destination doesn't matter. Oil is often sold at the dock, and the price there is the international price, no matter where the crude ends up. To "unlock the value" of Canada's crude oil, that product has to touch tidewater, says Paul Reimer, senior vice-president of marketing, transportation and power at Cenovus.

The stakes, then, are high for Kinder Morgan. In some ways, Canada's global industrial position depends on this pipeline.


"More market connections increase our global competitiveness and position us to better receive full market value for our growing production," says Patti Lewis, spokeswoman for Nexen Inc., which has been a supporter of the Kinder Morgan expansion. Ms. Lewis spoke before Nexen agreed to be bought out by China's state-controlled CNOOC Ltd. for $15.1-billion, a deal that underscores the growing connections between Canadian crude reserves and Chinese energy ambitions.


But Spirit Eagle doesn't ruffle yer fedders Cliffy?

Indigenous backers of Eagle Spirit pipeline launch GoFundMe campaign to sue Ottawa over oil tanker ban

BY CLAUDIA CATTANEO
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JAN 24, 2018

Indigenous backers of Eagle Spirit pipeline launch GoFundMe campaign to sue Ottawa over oil tanker ban | Financial Post
 

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The pipeline expansion is over until they invent a way to clean it up - which is impossible and they know it and we know it.

Now what we need to concentrate on is shutting the existing pipeline down - which will happen as a matter of economics.

:laughing3:

Shutting it down. How are a bunch of 14 year olds going to shut down a pipeline? :lol: Let me guess. You're going to hold your breath until they do what you tell them. :lol: