Liberals are screwing injured military

Hoid

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Canada's go-to move is the granting of benefits once there is nobody left to give them to. That's what we did with the Merchant Marine who were arguably the most important people in the war effort.

Gave them nothing for years then in 1992 decided to let them have veterans benefits - since most of them were dead anyway.

It just makes me puke every NOv 11 to listen to all the bullshit from a bunch of people who turned their backs on the people who saved them.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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The ones who really got ****ed were the ww1 and ww2 vets. It was just accepted that there were too many of them to take care of properly and that shitty mindset still pervades the country when we could be taking excellent care of every one of these people.

CAnada has a long tradition of lip service.,

Not true. There were many more benefits for veterans returning from world war two. Failure to recognize PTSD could be faulted, but then the VAC didn't start taking that seriously until the 80's.
 

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Veterans Affairs used to be run by veterans then, a few decades back, it was taken over by parsimonious bean counters. In the grand scheme of things, the liability that the injured vets represents is peanuts and it is part of our moral contract with those who serve to take care of them when they take a bullet for all of us. Both Liberals and Conservatives have behaved shamefully to our wounded warriors.
The greater Canadian public are just as much to blame for turning their backs on the defence of our land. Someday, that could be our collective undoing.

Well said and, an important lesson lost on this nations leadership. If the public pool of soldier material is educated about it's governments disregard to a soldiers earned wounds for that leaderships continuation it, that leadership would soon have to employ press gangs to fill it's disenchanted ranks. The leadership would naturally and rightfully so, be hung by thier shrunkin testicles untill the flesh was pickedoff thier stupid bones by crows and jays. These are just my thought of course and I could be in error. If you don't take care of your body guards they can't take care of you. These twits are not leaders theyre lunnies, a shirt a tie a splendid suit and a gifted mouth full of nonscense. The soldiers should of course correct thier leaders, especially when those leaders threaten the nations future with thier coin shaving con games, thumbs on the scales everyone of them. Off with thier heads or perhaps a written warning first.
 

lone wolf

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CRying about losing $23 grand?

This country took billions of dollars out of this guys pension fund with no intention of ever repaying it.
Tough shit.... Vet gets the shit-kicking no matter by whom ... and the people most upset are the people who took time out of their lives to show gratitude in fundraising. It's a trend.... Hoid that?
 

Curious Cdn

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Not true. There were many more benefits for veterans returning from world war two. Failure to recognize PTSD could be faulted, but then the VAC didn't start taking that seriously until the 80's.

We forget but Canada was a poor country after WWI. They did what they could for the veterans back then but the sort of affluence that we have enjoyed since the second world war was unheard of a hundred years ago. You can't honestly apply 2017 standards to what was still an agricultural colony.
 

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We forget but Canada was a poor country after WWI. They did ehat they can for the veterans but the sort of afflience that we have enjoyed sonce the second world war was inheard of a hundred years ago. You can't honedtly apply 2017 standards to what was still an agricultural colony.

Are typing your response on a phone?

I'm not applying 2017 standards. 2017 standards suck worse than 1990 standards. But aside from people not understanding Post traumatic Stress disorder, veterans returning from the second world war had more opportunity and were given preference for government jobs like the post office. Since the Korean war, care for our veterans has fallen significantly. The outgoing Martin government completely ****ed up the pension act and the Harper Conservatives turned a blind eye while waving a false flag of support. Trudeau stood with veterans and said he would fix the pension act, then acquired amnesia after getting elected.
 

Curious Cdn

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Are typing your response on a phone?

I'm not applying 2017 standards. 2017 standards suck worse than 1990 standards. But aside from people not understanding Post traumatic Stress disorder, veterans returning from the second world war had more opportunity and were given preference for government jobs like the post office. Since the Korean war, care for our veterans has fallen significantly. The outgoing Martin government completely ****ed up the pension act and the Harper Conservatives turned a blind eye while waving a false flag of support. Trudeau stood with veterans and said he would fix the pension act, then acquired amnesia after getting elected.

Yes, on a little Samsung IED.

I was appending your answer to Hoid, not contradicting you. Not only was Canada poor after WWI, they were severely traumatized by the horror.
 

JamesBondo

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I have no doubt that everything you guys are saying is true. But I have a hard time separating the legitimate grievances with the self entitled baby bastardz that exist in every demographic of Canada including vetearns.

I know a guy who injured himself on canadIan base while driving a snowplow and he expects a pension better than an actively employed oil rig worker. Surely you guys must think that is unreasonable, no?
 

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Canadian governments have known what they signed up for when they enlisted these people. Both Conservatives and Liberals have failed that standard.


There's billions of tax dollars floating around out of country. Someone has to get that money here........

I have no doubt that everything you guys are saying is true. But I have a hard time separating the legitimate grievances with the self entitled baby bastardz that exist in every demographic of Canada including vetearns.

I know a guy who injured himself on canadIan base while driving a snowplow and he expects a pension better than an actively employed oil rig worker. Surely you guys must think that is unreasonable, no?
I take it Military personnel are not covered under Workers Comp. If not and his injury would meet the standard Workers Comp has set for a Pension than Yes, he should get it.........
 

JamesBondo

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Canadian governments have known what they signed up for when they enlisted these people. Both Conservatives and Liberals have failed that standard.


There's billions of tax dollars floating around out of country. Someone has to get that money here........


I take it Military personnel are not covered under Workers Comp. If not and his injury would meet the standard Workers Comp has set for a Pension than Yes, he should get it.........
Get what? His ass kissed? An industrial accident masqueraded as a military injury is dishonest by anyone''s standards, agreed?
 

tay

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Get what? His ass kissed? An industrial accident masqueraded as a military injury is dishonest by anyone''s standards, agreed?
I'm not referring just to the t snowplow guy but all military people.


But if for some reason military people are not covered by Comp, Comp's standards should apply in the decision. Comps standards may very well deny his claim........
 

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If Comp rules applied, comp would make certain everybody gets locked out of a battle field before the battle, and no one would get hurt.

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We forget but Canada was a poor country after WWI. They did what they could for the veterans back then but the sort of affluence that we have enjoyed since the second world war was unheard of a hundred years ago. You can't honestly apply 2017 standards to what was still an agricultural colony.

More like prior to that time we didn't go on wild spending sprees billed to future generations. For the most part people then strived to make a better future for the country.
 

JamesBondo

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Are all the claims like that? Can you really get yout balls blown off in a warehouse?

If you want me to position myself against those that are injured in duty of our country, then you are mistaken, I won't do that. If for some reason you got a different impression then please note now that I am clarifying my opinion.
 

Hoid

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The new policy of paying out injuries in a lump sum instead of an ongoing annuity says everything there is to say about Canada and it's commitment to the military.

That is what the indians would call "extinguishing" the claim. A very bad and racist thing to do.
 

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