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Bar Sinister

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So there's two choices there, you can be led by someone who doesn't know what the f**k he is doing but is benevolent or someone who knows what he's doing but is a dictator. :) :) :)

It would be nice if that was true. But the multiple right wing dictatorships in the Americas have shown that they were not only incompetent, but corrupt as well.

In my opinion, your assertions are unbelievable enough that im not going to give it credit and im not going to prove it wrong

Why? A short lesson in constructive debating:

It is not my responsibility to support your assertions.

I recommend that you moderate your assertions until they are believable, then people might believe them even when they are not supported

If your assertion was believable( with or without support), it would be up to me or someone else to bring forward new assertions that is more believable than your assertions. I feel this step is unecessary for assertions that are NOT believable.

In this case, you bring forward an assertion of 20 countries.... and 50 countriess.... At first, it sounded very believeable. But thats a pretty long list of countries for you to be counting on your toes or fingers. Without you typing a list or citing a reference that provides a list, i just dont believe you, and i doubt many others will.

So good luck with that.



The best countries are the ones in the middle. Their quality of life comes from right wing concepts of individual freedoms, and their safety nets come from left wing concepts that restrict those freedoms. If you are the kind of person that looks at the government to solve your problems, then you probably want to give away more of your freedoms.

All right - but I'm going to let you count them. Non-communist dictatorships. - Try every nation in Central America except Costa Rica. Then try every country in Asia except Turkey, Israel, Jordan, India, Laos, North Vietnam, North Korea, China, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Mongolia, and Malaysia. Next South America - every nation including Venezuela which has not always been socialist, except Guyana, Surinam, and French Guiana. Africa - a mixed bag, but most of the nations there have experienced right wing dictatorships at one time or another. Generally if the government was overthrown in a military coup them it ends up as right wing.

Here is a list by Conservapedia. As its name suggests it is right wing in nature so I expect you may accept its bias. The description of each government should allow you to figure out whether it was right or left wing.

List of dictators

List of dictators - Conservapedia
 

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It would be nice if that was true. But the multiple right wing dictatorships in the Americas have shown that they were not only incompetent, but corrupt as well.



All right - but I'm going to let you count them. Non-communist dictatorships. - Try every nation in Central America except Costa Rica. Then try every country in Asia except Turkey, Israel, Jordan, India, Laos, North Vietnam, North Korea, China, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Mongolia, and Malaysia. Next South America - every nation including Venezuela which has not always been socialist, except Guyana, Surinam, and French Guiana. Africa - a mixed bag, but most of the nations there have experienced right wing dictatorships at one time or another. Generally if the government was overthrown in a military coup them it ends up as right wing.

Here is a list by Conservapedia. As its name suggests it is right wing in nature so I expect you may accept its bias. The description of each government should allow you to figure out whether it was right or left wing.

List of dictators

List of dictators - Conservapedia
Well that is that then , we should all go out and embrace 100% communism .Can I keep the family silverware ?
 

Bar Sinister

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Well that is that then , we should all go out and embrace 100% communism .Can I keep the family silverware ?

Why do you post such thoughtless nonsense? The fact that I understand the history of the Cold War has nothing to do with the support of a particular ideology.
 

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It would be nice if that was true. But the multiple right wing dictatorships in the Americas have shown that they were not only incompetent, but corrupt as well.



All right - but I'm going to let you count them. Non-communist dictatorships. - Try every nation in Central America except Costa Rica. Then try every country in Asia except Turkey, Israel, Jordan, India, Laos, North Vietnam, North Korea, China, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Mongolia, and Malaysia. Next South America - every nation including Venezuela which has not always been socialist, except Guyana, Surinam, and French Guiana. Africa - a mixed bag, but most of the nations there have experienced right wing dictatorships at one time or another. Generally if the government was overthrown in a military coup them it ends up as right wing.

Here is a list by Conservapedia. As its name suggests it is right wing in nature so I expect you may accept its bias. The description of each government should allow you to figure out whether it was right or left wing.

List of dictators

List of dictators - Conservapedia

This guy below pretty much sums it up:

https://www.quora.com/Have-left-wing-dictators-killed-far-more-people-than-right-wing-dictators

Whatever. It's often semantics to try and parse this question. But I do know this: just because you sit on the same side of the political spectrum as someone evil, it doesn't mean your views are wrong. You shouldn't abandon social democratic ideals simply because Pol Pot was a socialist any more than you should abandon love of country because Hitler and Tojo took nationalism to deadly extremes. It's absolutely unreasonable to judge your own views based on those few in history who twisted them beyond moral comprehension.

And anyway, when you get to death tolls in the millions, does it matter which side of the spectrum the dictator sits on? Past a million they're all pretty much equally horrible.

Don't you think it is interesting that countries with a british colonization background have generally done quite well, yet countries with a spanish colonization background have generally not done as well?

Both groups have had their varying degrees of left and right systems, so what is the key difference?. If you ask me, the key difference is the magna carta. some food for thought
 

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This guy below pretty much sums it up:



Don't you think it is interesting that countries with a british colonization background have generally done quite well, yet countries with a spanish colonization background have generally not done as well?

Both groups have had their varying degrees of left and right systems, so what is the key difference?. If you ask me, the key difference is the magna carta. some food for thought
So. . . you hate the Spanish Civil Code?
 

Bar Sinister

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This guy below pretty much sums it up:



Don't you think it is interesting that countries with a british colonization background have generally done quite well, yet countries with a spanish colonization background have generally not done as well?

Both groups have had their varying degrees of left and right systems, so what is the key difference?. If you ask me, the key difference is the magna carta. some food for thought

It would take quite a while to explain why nations founded by Spain have not done as well as nations founded by Britain. But I can give you a few answers. One is that Spanish society was very rigid socially. It was difficult if not impossible to move from one social class to another unless you were someone like Hernan Cortes who became overwhelmingly wealthy due to his conquest of Technotitlan.

Another is that Spanish society was highly intolerant of different religions. The Catholic Church suppressed all independent thought and deliberately destroyed what it did not understand.

Spanish colonies were settled top-down. Vast land grants were handed out to members of the Spanish aristocracy and the church as opposed to the many free farmers who settled in British colonies. This resulted in a huge concentration of wealth and the denial of any opportunity for other settlers to work their way up.

Spanish bureaucracy was unbelievably corrupt. It was impossible to get anything done without bribes and it was incredibly slow and inefficient.

Spain did not value educational systems. Only the wealthy were educated along with members of the church. In English colonies one of the first things that was developed was a school system.

Upon independence all of the ex-colonies inherited these deficiencies and unfortunately, with few exceptions, did nothing to change them.

It is interesting that you should comment on Spain, because Portuguese colonies had identical problems.
 

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99.99% burglars will flee when the home owner turns on the lights

What happens to the homeowner when he meets that 1 out of 1000 burglars that doesn't run? Is it reasonable to expect the home owner to use non lethal force? If the burglar gives him a beat down, is it reasonable to expect the the burglar will stop before the homeowner is dead? They wont do anything dumb or wreckless like a simple kick to the side of the head?
 

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What happens to the homeowner when he meets that 1 out of 1000 burglars that doesn't run? Is it reasonable to expect the home owner to use non lethal force? If the burglar gives him a beat down, is it reasonable to expect the the burglar will stop before the homeowner is dead? They wont do anything dumb or wreckless like a simple kick to the side of the head?
LOL Depends on which country one happens to live in firstly and secondly even the stats on falling at home would probably be higher of causing more harm than being injured or killed by a burglar in one's home.

Here are Canada's homicides rates and I would suspect there may or may not be one homicide or injury to a homeowner from a burglar in any one of those cases.


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Homicide offences, number and rate, by province and territory
(Number of homicides)
2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
homicides
Canada 605 548 509 521 604
Newfoundland and Labrador 4 3 7 2 3
Prince Edward Island 1 0 1 3 1
Nova Scotia 22 17 13 6 12
New Brunswick 8 6 7 10 11
Quebec 105 108 70 70 77
Ontario 163 163 168 156 174
Manitoba 53 54 51 45 47
Saskatchewan 38 29 31 24 43
Alberta 113 87 81 106 133
British Columbia1 88 71 74 89 95
Yukon 0 0 0 3 1
Northwest Territories 3 5 2 3 5
Nunavut 7 5 4 4 2
Notes: Homicide includes Criminal Code offences of murder, manslaughter and infanticide.
There are some homicides that are included in a given year's total that occurred in previous years. Homicides are counted according to the year in which police submit the Homicide Survey to Statistics Canada.
1. As a result of investigations in Port Coquitlam, B.C., there were 5 homicides reported in 2007, 5 reported in 2004 that occurred in previous years. Homicides are counted according to the year in which police file the report.
Source: Statistics Canada, CANSIM, table 253-0001 and Homicide Survey, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics.
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So how does one even justify changing the gun laws to accommodate the killing of a burglar or protecting property, compared with preventing the killing by a gun being allowed for self protection? Particularly, when statistically the homeowner or his family is more likely to die or be seriously injured by the gun kept to supposedly protect??
 

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Name another viable option when the cops can't help you?

What options are there other than a firearm?


Start saving your money for a hit man and a new address! :)

LOL Depends on which country one happens to live in firstly and secondly even the stats on falling at home would probably be higher of causing more harm than being injured or killed by a burglar in one's home.


You need to find a new hobby, Dearie! :)