Khadr to get 10.5 million payment for treason.

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Okay,

As much as I hate to say this...

Harper originally granted or ok'd the 10 million settlement

Trudeau just agreed to Harper's earlier agreement or arrangements

Also please educate yourselves by reading the following #factcheck.


1. Incredibly depressing to have to do this when Omar Khadr saga has been covered - extensively - for 15 years. But here goes.

2. He is a Canadian citizen & was born in Toronto. When shot & captured in Afghanistan by US Forces in July 2002 he was 15.

3. During the firefight, Delta Force soldier Sgt First Class Christopher Speer was fatally wounded. The Pentagon would later charge Khadr.

4. Before 9/11, it was not considered a war crime to kill a soldier in conflict. The U.S. enacted a new law, which is used in Guantanamo.

5. Khadr is the only captive the Pentagon has prosecuted with "murder in violation of the laws of war." Thousands of US service members died

6. Case also historic as the only juvenile prosecuted for war crimes. "Child soldier" consideration favours rehabilitation over retribution

7. Three times the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in favour of Khadr & condemned the Canadian government for flouting his rights as citizen

8. In 2010, Khadr accepted a plea deal to get out of Guantanamo. He said he feared being held indefinitely (a possibility with Gitmo).

9. There was no trial. Pre-trial evidence left much about firefight in doubt. There was evidence of someone else alive in compound.

10. Here's a piece from 2010 where I lay out what wasn't sorted & the debate over what's important:

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/world/2010/11/05/unanswered_questions_in_8year_omar_khadr_saga.html

11. Khadr's #Guantanamo guilty plea is being appealed in Washington court. Many of the other Gitmo convictions have been overturned.

12. Khadr is now 30. Living in Edmonton on bail but recently moved out of the home his lawyer generously welcomed him into upon release.

13. Once the apology & payout are announced officially (@JustinTrudeau yet to confirn settlement), the money will be shared with lawyers.

14. There is so much more so feel free to ask & I'll try to address. But those are basic facts getting grossly overlooked.


15. On a personal note, debate this case. Vigorously. But the ugliness & spinning of the last few days has made me depressed about Canada.
 

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Okay,

As much as I hate to say this...

1. Harper originally granted or ok'd the 10 million settlement

2. Trudeau just agreed to Harper earlier agreement

Also please educate yourselves by reading the following factcheck.

https://twitter.com/shephardm/status/883119234422800386
Before you changed your post.....
Twitter fact check........LOL!
Mixing apples and oranges...
this is where Harper comes in...different case...
Conservatives should also be aware of their own precedent for such compensation: it was Stephen Harper's government that agreed to pay $10 million to Maher Arar in 2007, acknowledging the Canadian government's actions may have led to his torture by Syrian officials in 2002.
Source: Why will Omar Khadr receive $10.5M? Because the Supreme Court ruled his rights were violated - Politics - CBC News


CBC....not Twitter
 

B00Mer

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Twitter fact check........LOL!
Mixing apples and oranges...
this is where Harper comes in...different case...
Conservatives should also be aware of their own precedent for such compensation: it was Stephen Harper's government that agreed to pay $10 million to Maher Arar in 2007, acknowledging the Canadian government's actions may have led to his torture by Syrian officials in 2002.
Source: Why will Omar Khadr receive $10.5M? Because the Supreme Court ruled his rights were violated - Politics - CBC News


CBC....not Twitter

Keep being a hater and live your life in stress..

There is not a fukking thing you can do about your hard earned tax dollars being given to Omar... so enjoy.. ;)

Meanwhile the points outlined are the facts.. do you think Harper would have originally agreed to this settlement if this wasn't the case

Grow a brain, you're sounding like someone living in the backwoods of nowhere - no wait you do :lol:
 

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Meanwhile the points outlined are the facts.. do you think Harper would have originally agreed to this settlement if this wasn't the case
Could you please provide a cite to substantiate your claim that Harper agreed to this settlement? I've looked and cannot find anything of the sort. It's possible you may be confusing this case with the Arar case.
 

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Actually, you're wrong. A court cannot convict someone of an offense unless each element of the offense is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. An admission of guilt, if accepted by the court is the standard of proof required to establish a conviction. The court has the obligation to determine that the defendant fully understands the charge, terms, and sentence, and has option not to accept the guilty plea, and will not accept it if it does not meet strict parameters and is not agreed to by both the defense and prosecution.


So if that's the case how is it in dozens of cases (David Milgaard for one) a convicted person is found to be actually innocent years after the conviction?
 

B00Mer

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Thank You! :wink:

You're very welcome from Oxnard, California underneath a shade tree ;)

*palm

Just watching out for the local vultures

 

Decapoda

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So if that's the case how is it in dozens of cases (David Milgaard for one) a convicted person is found to be actually innocent years after the conviction?
I'm not familiar with these dozens of cases so not sure...maybe new, relevant and compelling evidence?? Did any of these overturned convictions involve cases where people admitted to the crime and entered guilty pleas?

I think maybe the definition of reasonable doubt may be confounding you, may want to look it up ;-).
 

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He was not a child soldier, he was 15. That is not a child soldier, as 14 is the limit for being charged with a war crime for recruiting child soldiers. I know, the UN defines it as under 18, but that is ridiculous, just like the UN.

What international law or other justification are you using to set 14 as maximum age for a child soldier?
 

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I'm not familiar with these dozens of cases so not sure...maybe new, relevant and compelling evidence?? Did any of these overturned convictions involve cases where people admitted to the crime and entered guilty pleas?

I think maybe the definition of reasonable doubt may be confounding you, may want to look it up ;-).


While I can't cite any specific cases I have read of a couple (or more) over the years where a person who "confessed" to a crime was later acquitted. Many of the cases involved not being of sound mind when they confessed. How many posters on this forum would be of sound mind after spending 10 years in Guantanamo? Personally I have no idea of the degree of Omar's guilt or innocence but until I do I'm fully in favour of restoring him as close as possible to the condition he was in at age 15. :)

I think maybe the definition of reasonable doubt may be confounding you, may want to look it up ;-).


I have to admit the term has a pretty nebulous definition & every person probably translates it a little differently. I think "reasonable doubt" has to take into account there are "exceptions to every rule". The bottom line is Omar now seems to be on a constructive path and should be given every opportunity to continue and when/if that changes he can be locked up again.
 

Decapoda

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While I can't cite any specific cases I have read of a couple (or more) over the years where a person who "confessed" to a crime was later acquitted.
So you have anecdotal stories that you can't cite. Thanks for sharing.....


I think "reasonable doubt" has to take into account there are "exceptions to every rule".

It's nice you have an opinion. Unfortunately, I don't think your opinion would sway a court ruling.

The bottom line is Omar now seems to be on a constructive path and should be given every opportunity to continue and when/if that changes he can be locked up again.

The bottom line is Omar blew up an American soldier who was trying to save him and blinded another, while fighting as a self confessed terrorist against allied forces...and he admitted to doing so. He made that choice, he had to face repercussions of his stupid actions, and the family of the dead soldier will have to face repercussions of his reckless treasonous decision for the rest of their lives. Now the Trudeau Government feels he is owed monetary compensation and an apology from Canada for not stepping in and somehow circumventing the sentence of another country.

I believe the first step to him walking his newfound noble path and healing would be to settle his outstanding 150 million dollar debt to Speers' widow...without having to be dragged kicking and screaming to court. He should do it voluntarily, of his own merit and volition, since he must surely understand now with his newfound moral clarity that the loss and damage and he caused is far greater than his conviction and sentence.
 
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So you have anecdotal stories that you can't cite. Thanks for sharing.....




It's nice you have an opinion. Unfortunately, I don't think your opinion would sway a court ruling.



The bottom line is Omar blew up an American soldier who was trying to save him and blinded another, while fighting as a self confessed terrorist against allied forces...and he admitted to doing so. He made that choice, he had to face repercussions of his stupid actions, and the family of the dead soldier will have to face repercussions of his reckless treasonous decision for the rest of their lives. Now the Trudeau Government feels he is owed monetary compensation and an apology from Canada for not stepping in and somehow circumventing the sentence of another country.

I believe the first step to him walking his newfound noble path and healing would be to settle his outstanding 150 million dollar debt to Speers' widow...without having to be dragged kicking and screaming to court. He should do it voluntarily, of his own merit and volition, since he must surely understand now with his newfound moral clarity that the loss and damage and he caused is far greater than his conviction and sentence.


There was a guy on the Lower Mainland recently who had served about 30 in prison for a rape he didn't commit. I can not remember his name or the name of the victim or the date or location of the offense so YES there is an anecdotal story to which I have very few of the details, but perhaps someone else does have them! Watch you don't get too cocky lest you be made to look like a fool. :) :)
 

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There was a guy on the Lower Mainland recently who had served about 30 in prison for a rape he didn't commit. I can not remember his name or the name of the victim or the date or location of the offense so YES there is an anecdotal story to which I have very few of the details, but perhaps someone else does have them! Watch you don't get too cocky lest you be made to look like a fool. :) :)
Nice story.... too bad about the lack of even a single verifiable detail, but thanks anyway.

Not sure what the point of it is, regardless...