"For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith." (Romans 1:17 NIV)
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"For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith." (Romans 1:17 NIV)
Every human and every living thing is a child of god and god really doesn't care what you believe about it. This whole "my book is holier than your book" pissing contest must really aggravate the hell out of all the gods and goddesses. You can quote any book to see truth. Your scriptures may have significance to you, but it doesn't mean the have any significance to anybody else. All this chest thumping proselytizing is nothing but self righteous babble and it is very annoying. People have the right to believe whatever they want without some self righteous dickhead telling them they are wrong.
"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching." (Hebrews 10:23-25 NIV)
Your posts are so appreciated, Cliffy. You clearly and consistently evidence the premise of the thread.
"The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. And he also had seven sons and three daughters. The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. And so Job died, an old man and full of years." (Job 42:12:17 NIV)
A few places have speculated on how old Job was in all and how long his suffering was for. When Satan is allowed to do the same to people on the planet during the tribulation that comes for 3 1/2 years prior to the return. Neb was put into delusion by God for 7 years before he was a firm believer through personal experience. Those places also speculate he lived to be at least 200 years old. By contrast Moses lived to be (just short of) 120 years.
That came about because of the determination that God put in when fallen angels started to have children with Eve's daughters, Ge:6.
Job was under the same law that the giants were under as far as how God determined they were in sin prior to the flood. That era ended when the 10 Commandments became the law during the exodus. The official change was when the last (6 fingered person) giant died. Prior to that the age of judgement was when a person turned 1,000 years old. No man has lived that long. Adam died at the age of 930 which is 70 years short of the age when God would have determined if he was a sinner or not.
The determination that Adam would die on the same day he sinned was fulfilled and it established which law was in effect. The judgment Adam (and Eve) would have faced is the same one that the people who are alive for the whole 1,000 year period will face as they will be 1,000 years + one day and they will be immortals meaning they are also subject to the same authority that sends Satan and all remaining fallen angels to the fiery lake.
The people will survive that fire because in that 1,000 years with Christ it is equal to Adam and Eve being in the Garden with the children that would have been born had sin not entered the world. Jerusalem goes from a desolate city to being a glorious city that is also a representation of what the Garden would have looked like. Since it is Christ that is the King of the Earth it is a good bet that Christ was also the one walking with Adam and appearing to men as an 'angel of the lord' and it is at that event that Adam first sees the face of God and then the perfected people are taken to the place of the Great White Throne which is outside of this universe. When the Angels stay in that 3rd heaven and men return to the earth we will have the universe to explore as the setting is now called the 'new earth' and mankind is as powerful as the 'sons of God' in Ge:6 and we will be sinless so all of our activities will turn out like Job after the temptations are over.
Satan and the Beast from the Pit have authority to kill 1/3 of the people on the globe as well as 1/3 of a lot of other 'things' so it is not unreasonable to think they will use the same things that punished Job and that would fit in with the global behavior prior to the flood and that was how God put an end to the torment people were being subjected to rather than that is what people were doing to each other.
One aspect I have not seen covered is after the trib and Job is explaining to his friends who God is brings a response from God in which he tells Job that he knows nothing about God and the limits ti His power. That almost seems like an introduction between the two so how did Job become a 'servant' to begin with unless it was after the traditions that came as a result of the flood.
That came about because of the determination that God put in when fallen angels started to have children with Eve's daughters, Ge:6.
Job was under the same law that the giants were under as far as how God determined they were in sin prior to the flood. That era ended when the 10 Commandments became the law during the exodus. The official change was when the last (6 fingered person) giant died. Prior to that the age of judgement was when a person turned 1,000 years old. No man has lived that long. Adam died at the age of 930 which is 70 years short of the age when God would have determined if he was a sinner or not.
The determination that Adam would die on the same day he sinned was fulfilled and it established which law was in effect. The judgment Adam (and Eve) would have faced is the same one that the people who are alive for the whole 1,000 year period will face as they will be 1,000 years + one day and they will be immortals meaning they are also subject to the same authority that sends Satan and all remaining fallen angels to the fiery lake.
The people will survive that fire because in that 1,000 years with Christ it is equal to Adam and Eve being in the Garden with the children that would have been born had sin not entered the world. Jerusalem goes from a desolate city to being a glorious city that is also a representation of what the Garden would have looked like. Since it is Christ that is the King of the Earth it is a good bet that Christ was also the one walking with Adam and appearing to men as an 'angel of the lord' and it is at that event that Adam first sees the face of God and then the perfected people are taken to the place of the Great White Throne which is outside of this universe. When the Angels stay in that 3rd heaven and men return to the earth we will have the universe to explore as the setting is now called the 'new earth' and mankind is as powerful as the 'sons of God' in Ge:6 and we will be sinless so all of our activities will turn out like Job after the temptations are over.
Satan and the Beast from the Pit have authority to kill 1/3 of the people on the globe as well as 1/3 of a lot of other 'things' so it is not unreasonable to think they will use the same things that punished Job and that would fit in with the global behavior prior to the flood and that was how God put an end to the torment people were being subjected to rather than that is what people were doing to each other.
One aspect I have not seen covered is after the trib and Job is explaining to his friends who God is brings a response from God in which he tells Job that he knows nothing about God and the limits ti His power. That almost seems like an introduction between the two so how did Job become a 'servant' to begin with unless it was after the traditions that came as a result of the flood.
"Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
'Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
'Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand." ( Job 38:1-4 NIV)
"The book of Job apparently comes from the period before any word of Scripture was written. God begins with Job at the point where he began with all men at that particular time - at the point of creation. Paul began at this same point when he talked about the revelation of God to all mankind. (Romans 1:18-20)
It is important for us to see that God was speaking to Job and to all men at that time through his creation. They were close enough to creation that there was no atheism. Instead, there was polytheism. They actually worshipped the creature rather than the Creator. This is what Paul went on to speak of in the first chapter of Romans. (Romans 1:21-23)"
McGee, J. Vernon. Through the Bible.
Servants of God, creatures created by God .. not children of God .. do you claim yourselves the offspring of God .. so if you, people, were the children of God .. who was your mother :lol:
Therefore, the British youths are smarter than you, when they said: Jesus is only the prophet of God .. not His son.
Therefore, the British youths are smarter than you, when they said: Jesus is only the prophet of God .. not His son.
We are all children of Mother Earth. Jesus said (in the original ancient Greek) that he was a son of god and that we are all children of god. He never said he was THE Son of God. It was Saul who perpetrated that myth. Humans are not separate from the life force, the biosphere, of this planet but an integral part of it. We are not, nor is the Earth, separate from the Life Force of the Universe but an integral part of it. There is nothing that exists separate from the Source, no god, no angels, nothing. It is all integrated, interdependent and interrelated. The Universe does not care what you believe about it. It has much bigger fish to fry than to be concerned with you petty existence.
I would agree with you somewhat with the stipulation that I don't understand a bit of it, no one does. No human being has the capacity to "know" one iota, about God.
"Then Job replied to the Lord:
'I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
'You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.” (Job 42:1-6 NIV)
One has to assume they had access to a version of Ge:1 that is similar to the text we have today. It may not have been that complete if he lacked the understanding even though he was considered to be a good servant. God seems to have deliberately used a lot of Scribes to keep full knowledge a mystery to the people that wrote the texts. Apparently that includes the clergy and most of the readers. The group that will be alive during the trumps will be under the worst tribulation since the time of the flood. They have a set time limit so that is how the trib is not as bad overall.
How was Job messing with God's plans when it was God who gave the information about the grave in Job:14? That information says you might be in the grave for a very long time but at some point God is going to wake you up and life will continue. Martha said the same thing in John:11 about her dead brother Lazarus. Lazarus should have been in the same state as Jesus on the morning He was resurrected, alive but not yet glorified. Jesus ascended to the Re:4 temple and was glorified by God (given the water and the tree of life food from New Jerusalem) and came back the same day. If Lazarus (and all the others that were resurrected) was touched is that why he lived out his life in a normal fashion rather than having the kind of body that Jesus had during the 40 days.
Some of that and more of the same passage might be referencing fallen angels as they took on the appearance of men and being angelic they had certain advantages that they used to become the 'rulers'.
Jude:1:4:
For there are certain men crept in unawares,
who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men,
turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God,
and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude:1:15:
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude:1:16:
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude:1:15:
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude:1:16:
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Two fallen angels are sent to the fiery lake on the day Christ returns, the 4 that make up the 200M horsemen of the 6th trump are turned into a river of blood.
Isa:63:3:
I have trodden the winepress alone;
and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger,
and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,
and I will stain all my raiment.
Re:14:20:
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
The bones of those 200M are gathered an put in a grave until Satan is released from the Pit and they are both then sent to the fiery lake. Men have a slightly different route, the bones of the ones that die are not gathered and that means they do not join with Satan and as such are not sent to the fiery lake with him.
Really?? It doesn't seem like Job's friends were particularly 'godly' yet God wasn't keeping them in the poor house either.
What that book does is done early on. It is an expansion of who the 'sons of God' are in Ge:6. They are angelic beings and that is different from being a child of Adam and Eve. The acts Satan did are acts that were the norm prior to the flood in the attempt to exterminate 5 fingered people. In the 3 1/2 years he is given before the return he is allowed to kill 1/3 of all the people on the planet. Who they are is not specified but if the elect are deceived then it would hardly be them and it would be the disadvantaged that would be killed. Christ then kills 2/3 of the ones left on the planet for being part of the deceived. The ones sent to the grave are going to the same grave as Job. Job will be alive for the 1,000 years, the ones going to the grave when he is coming out will need to wait until the GWT until they are released from the same grave. Job's friends might have to wait based on faith, based on having their names in the Bible I would tend to think the God of the Living would include them in the early part of the gathering of people to him.
Im not the child of no "god". Im the child of my parents...
God can just go back to proving his existence by letting his "children" kill each other.
God can just go back to proving his existence by letting his "children" kill each other.
Wrong, that is why there is a book. In said book are these words that tell you how God put wisdom into the book. Knowing that enables you to extract that same wisdom once you have located it.
Isa:28:9:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.
Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:
An example of that is below and it should be 25 verses in all.
Zep:1:7:
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD:
for the day of the LORD is at hand:
for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice,
he hath bid his guests.
Zep:1:8:
And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice,
that I will punish the princes,
and the king's children,
and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Am:5:18:
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD!
to what end is it for you?
the day of the LORD is darkness,
and not light.
Joe:1:15:
Alas for the day!
for the day of the LORD is at hand,
and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
By the time you go through all of them (24 passages)that will increase your knowledge of what God relayed as far as what the term 'day of the Lord' means. Finding the passages is the only task we were given, the meaning will be quite apparent by the time you read them. If you don't read them avoid topics of conversation that have that term in.
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