Fortunately with the election of Trump that disaster was averted for at least the next 4 years.
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Fortunately with the election of Trump that disaster was averted for at least the next 4 years.
Do teachers now set the laws??? Geez things have gone so much further than I could possibly have envisioned. I guess Canada needs to build it's own wall!!
Are you mad!! Yes I guess you are!!
LOL, do you realize that Trump is giving tax breaks to the rich. When the debt becomes so much worse, guess who will be payiing the bill to get the US out of trouble once again? Just in case you have not realized the cycle yet...It will be the middle class!!
Smarten up!! The Republican view is "Take care of the rich, The money will trickle down in jobs & companies".....LMAO With all the jobs going to the countries with a bit cheaper salaries, how is that working??
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Are you doing cheap drugs or what? The Left's vision is to have all schools "gun free zones". The Right is not the exact opposite to that; not all teachers would want to be armed, nor should they be, especially some that come to mind, but for those who wish to put in the time and effort to be trained and qualified it should be their choice.
The last high school my kids attended was supposedly a gun free zone, (certainly not drug free), but the RCMP and HRP were a constant presence, and guess what? THEY CARRY GUNS Duh!!!
Gun free zones, as the left would have it, relegates all law abiding citizens in those zones potential fatalities, that is the cold hard truth. Criminals don't obey laws and the pure evil disguised as righteousness of the Left is to mandate that law abiding citizens be rendered defenseless. This self righteousness should reserve them a special place in Hell.
Do you also foresee the attempt to lower the drinking, driving, enlistment, voting etc. age to 13 or 14? Get a grip.
Actually not so long ago we were discussing the idea of lowering the voter age to 16 .
No one wanted to come to grips with the fact that kids would certainly vote for lowering the drinking age if they could .
Yeah but a rather indisputable argument for lowering, or not, the voting age would be; if you don't pay tax, you don't vote. If those under 18 are required to pay income tax and are allowed to sign contracts, then, yes they should be allowed to vote, and made to pay taxes. Otherwise enjoy the free ride while you still can, 'cause it ain't gonna be free for much longer.
I assume you are speaking as a Canadian. That is how we think, But I was replying to an American, it is very different there, There the constitution guarantees the right to bear arms because the colony was too young to form a proper army when that document was written. This has evolved to the the ridiculous state the US now finds itself in,
I cannot envision all the citizens of the US gathering all their arms to challenge their own government's army can you?. Hmmm,,,,maybe I will change my mind on that idea within the next couple of years,
The founding fathers didn't pull the second amendment out of their ar$es either. It actually originated from the 1689 English bill of rights where the right to bear arms was suspended to Protestants by King James II, leading to his overthrow and those rights were re-instated. Unfortunately for the Brits, they have no constitution to fall back on, something the Yanks had the foresight to enact, like it or not.
Don't bother man.....That silly old bird will argue about one side of the border, then switch to the other side to validate a false argument...she rambles all over the place.....probably low blood 02
I would call this post willful idiocy.
You are willfully forgetting and denying the war of independance.
Are you a twit?. You are saying that somewhere between the declaration of independance and the 2nd ammendment, the founding fathers changed their minds about citizens being armed. You need to read more about John locke. And his influence on the declaration of independance.
And the Civil War. And Shays's Rebellion. And the Whiskey Rebellion. And a dozen-odd others.
If gun controls are so useless.... how come there are so few ideas that would work better re the gun factor. and deal with the gun culture as it has become ?? Or do folks want no regulations at all when it comes to weapons?? A kind f free for all.... wit easy access t weapons to all regardless of mental stability , age etc??
With Trump being in bed with the NRA and his desire to deregulate..... folks might just get that free for all , no limits , kind of gun culture atty the gun lovers want so bad. What is it with the gun fanatics that they're so terrified someone might take their weapons away from them?? Regardless of how one looks at it...the situation has serious insanity component to it. Many people get one just fine without ever having a gun in their home or even come close to to one.
In many ways.a gun culture as it exists now in the US is a self perpetuating phenomena. There is no motivation to change it either.
So...if they are so in love with guns, or believe they NEED them so badly.... let them have as many as they want. But don['t pretend to be shocked or horrified wehn mass shootings take place. They are the natural progression of a gun culture. Deal with it. All the candle light vigils in the world will not assuage the fact that guns come first in most of the fanatics minds .... and shooting are just cutting their losses.
If that sounds cold.... then ask yourself what this gun fetish is all about to begin with. It has NOTING to do with self protection.... Because if one needs THAT much self protection then one lives in a barbaric and unsafe country to begin with.......and that excludes any terrorist activity .
In some ways it is too late. The genie is out of the bottle.... and it is anyone's guess as to how this gun culture will end up..... but one can imagine a few ugly scenarios.
With Trump being in bed with the NRA and his desire to deregulate..... folks might just get that free for all , no limits , kind of gun culture atty the gun lovers want so bad. What is it with the gun fanatics that they're so terrified someone might take their weapons away from them?? Regardless of how one looks at it...the situation has serious insanity component to it. Many people get one just fine without ever having a gun in their home or even come close to to one.
In many ways.a gun culture as it exists now in the US is a self perpetuating phenomena. There is no motivation to change it either.
So...if they are so in love with guns, or believe they NEED them so badly.... let them have as many as they want. But don['t pretend to be shocked or horrified wehn mass shootings take place. They are the natural progression of a gun culture. Deal with it. All the candle light vigils in the world will not assuage the fact that guns come first in most of the fanatics minds .... and shooting are just cutting their losses.
If that sounds cold.... then ask yourself what this gun fetish is all about to begin with. It has NOTING to do with self protection.... Because if one needs THAT much self protection then one lives in a barbaric and unsafe country to begin with.......and that excludes any terrorist activity .
In some ways it is too late. The genie is out of the bottle.... and it is anyone's guess as to how this gun culture will end up..... but one can imagine a few ugly scenarios.
Ladders.............you forgot the Ladders!
De Vos' idea of a well run education system begins and ends in the hands of unaccountable privately run charter schools. Talk about the dumbing down of America, under her stewardship it will be full speed ahead to disaster. This woman is some piece of work.
"A religious wingnut of the highest order, the West Michigan native married into Amway money (her husband Dick is part owner of the Orlando Magic and the entire DeVos clan is worth over $5 billion, according to Forbes) and has made it her life’s work to wage war on public schools in her home state, with a special and successful focus on Detroit’s public-education system. Your average market-humping moron, when they talk about school choice, simply means that they want to encourage the use of public schools as profit center. DeVos, a visionary in her way, is for abolishing them entirely."
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"In 2001, after the ballot initiative was rejected, she formed the Great Lakes Education Project (GLEP) with her husband. They wasted no time. In 2002, according to Politico, GLEP had more money than the United Auto Workers or the state’s most powerful teachers’ union or any Democratic-affiliated PAC in the state. GLEP got to work bullying lawmakers and launching attack ads, and the fight for unchecked charter expansion and school choice in Michigan was underway. The landmark Citizens United case in 2010 made their lives even easier and enabled them to wholeheartedly use their immense wealth to shape school reform. GLEP has a 501(c)(4), the GLEP Education Fund, which allows it to accept unlimited contributions without disclosure."
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"Massachusetts, where a ballot measure that would have lifted the cap on charter expansion was shot down this fall, has what a report from the Education Trust-Midwest called “an unrelenting commitment to accountability.” The state of Michigan has roughly 40 authorizers—the entities that grant charters to schools and are supposed to manage and monitor performance—whereas Massachusetts has only one: the state board of education.
The lax regulations and lack of accountability have contributed to a proliferation of for-profit charters in Michigan. Roughly 80 percent of charters in Michigan are for profit, more than any other in the country—and they don’t have to answer to anyone."
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"Everyone I spoke with expressed their complete horror over a billionaire member of the donor class with no experience working in education who has used her family money to intimidate lawmakers and turn Michigan’s schools into her own test kitchen being set to rule our schools. But no one put it in as succinct and terrifying a way as Terrence Martin, a 41-year-old lifelong Detroiter, former DPS teacher, and current executive vice president of the Detroit Federation of Teachers.
“She’s singlehandedly responsible for financing the demise of our school district. You know the fact that charter schools in our city have no accountability and no oversight, is all DeVos measure, to dismantle public education. The fact that we did not get a Detroit Education Commission in the last DPS legislation has DeVos written all over it. What it would have allowed was for some regulation of the opening and closing of schools. Essentially what has happened because there is no regulation, neighborhoods are being dismantled by school closures,” he said, his voice rising.
This is the doing of Betsy DeVos and other Republican lawmakers who do not value quality education for black and brown children. So now the nation is going to see what a Betsy DeVos-run, financed government can do. It’s happened here in Michigan, and now it could potentially happen throughout the country. The country is about to see a dismantling of public education.”
Betsy DeVos Is Coming For Your Children
Maybe because someone is always willing to shoot back . It is kind of sobering when you realize someone might shoot back .