Donald Trump team 'discussing plans for Muslim registration system'

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How about the environmentalists? They've been responsible for bombings around here. Sikhs were responsible for the Air India bombing. Lots of violence in the name of Jaysus. Let's just register everybody.



the majority of domestic terrorist acts have been committed by right wing television evangelist types - looks like we will have to register them as well
 

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the majority of domestic terrorist acts have been committed by right wing television evangelist types - looks like we will have to register them as well

I don't know about that, but it's the computer age. Anyone entering any country is registered.

Customs uses computers. They are hooked up with Interpol and other agencies. They get almost every baddie, but if a perp is from a technologically challenged nation, the odd one slips by. Nothing is 100%.

The idea is a red herring of sorts. How many countries aren't making the lists and checking them twice? They gotta find out who's naughty and nice.
 

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I don't know about that, but it's the computer age. Anyone entering any country is registered.

Customs uses computers. They are hooked up with Interpol and other agencies. They get almost every baddie, but if a perp is from a technologically challenged nation, the odd one slips by. Nothing is 100%.

The idea is a red herring of sorts. How many countries aren't making the lists and checking them twice? They gotta find out who's naughty and nice.



Actually, I was referring to domestic terrorists such as Gordon Kahl, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, others:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html
 

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Funny, Merkel's currently polling about 60%. When I was there I saw plenty of soccer pitches and playgrounds full of kids, and lots of women walking alone.

But, if it's that bad, maybe your friend should move to the U.S. Our "Muslim problem" is pretty much a rounding error in our 11,000 gun homicides per year, and the Trumpkins just put forth a plan for accepting only white European immigrants for the next 50 years, so it should be a snap for her.

I assume she's white. There are plenty of non-white Germans, but I can't imagine you calling one a friend.

I think you have something there. There seem to be multiple stories of no go zones in various nations such as Sweden, Germany, Britain, and so on, but closer checking reveals that most of these posts come from right wing sites that merely pass on made up news, like the sort of news that many people get from places like Facebook. I visited Britain recently and without knowing it booked accommodation in an area of London that was one of these supposed "no go zones." I never felt threatened at any time and went out frequently to catch the subway and shop for groceries.
 

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Back in the bad old days of the Bush-Cheney regime, we had a national registry program for visitors from countries with active terrorist groups. It's been mothballed since 2011, but the Obama administration has decided it needs to be completely dismantled in light of Trump's Muslim Registry threats.
The move by the White House to formally end the registry is among the actions being taken in the final weeks of the administration that could prevent, or at least slow, what Democrats fear may be a swift rollback of President Obama’s efforts on immigration and climate change. […]


In recent days, dozens of Democratic officials in Washington, as well as the New York State attorney general, Eric T. Schneiderman, have called for the regulations to be rescinded.

“No known terrorism convictions have resulted from the program,” read a joint letter, dated Dec. 1, from more than 50 Democratic members of the House of Representatives. Mr. Schneiderman, a Democrat and a vocal opponent of Mr. Trump, said the program was “an affront to our core American values of pluralism and equal justice under law.”
The program is being dismantled with a simple rule change. On Thursday, the Department of Homeland Security submitted the rule change and it will be published in the Federal Register Friday. Neema Hakim, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, said in a statement that "D.H.S. ceased use of Nseers more than five years ago, after it was determined the program was redundant, inefficient and provided no increase in security." She added that the program would divert resources from more effective efforts if it were activated.

This will make it that much more difficult for Trump to resurrect it, particularly in light of the tech industry's refusal to participate in building a registry. That includes Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Apple, and others, as well as thousands of tech workers. If Trump tries to reinstate it, he's going to have a fight on a number of levels.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/n...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
 

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There has to be some way of knowing what people are and their intentions before allowing them entry into the country. People that have come in already need to be kept track of considering how terrorists are now finding more devious ways of infiltrating.
Look at what has happened in Germany; The latest terror attack was by a man who they knew had terrorist ties and intentions but they couldn't detain him (according to news reports) because they "couldn't identify him, he had used so many aliases they didn't know his real name".
So how did he get in? Obviously the system is lacking.
They know now who he really is so why couldn't they find out then? Why couldn't they prevent this latest attack by detaining him? They also need to make association with terrorism in any way a crime punishable by something from detainment to death!
This is not the old days when people could be trusted. The world has changed. It is very dangerous.
So I hope the Trump team follows through with their 'registration' plans or whatever they can do to identify and contain those who are dangerous to society
It is not only those who commit the terrorism, they have associates who aid, abet and hide them. They too have to be identified and dealt with.
It isn't bigotry against Muslims that makes these actions necessary. It is the fact that it is Muslims who are complicit in terrorism that makes them a target for suspicion.
 

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There has to be some way of knowing what people are and their intentions before allowing them entry into the country. People that have come in already need to be kept track of considering how terrorists are now finding more devious ways of infiltrating.
Look at what has happened in Germany; The latest terror attack was by a man who they knew had terrorist ties and intentions but they couldn't detain him (according to news reports) because they "couldn't identify him, he had used so many aliases they didn't know his real name".
So how did he get in? Obviously the system is lacking.


Right on D.M. Apparently ?? they were able to definitely identify him from D.N.A. left in the cab of the truck. Anyway the bastard is now dead.............................a week too late.
 

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Not sure about the US but Canada requires 'Landed Immigrant' status for 5 years before you are eligible for citizenship.
Trudeau has made changes to Bill C-6, not sure if it's law yet or not, but the intent is to change the law of people applying for citizenship from 5 years to 3 years > I know that JT did change the rule of voting already, the new refugees have the right to vote in the next election. The Libs are also repealed the right of Canada to revoke dual citizenship in certain circumstances; specifically: "terrorism, High Treason, treason and spying". IN case of identity or residential fraud, then dual citizenship can be revoked however LOL. Lib also appeal the requirement for new immigrants to continue residing in Canada, which if fair, if one wants the benefit of health care, Countries protection, etc.. then pay taxes and contribute to the country, otherwise, why!! Also, language is apparently an unconstitutional requirement. Lib's are changing many laws.
 

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Trudeau has made changes to Bill C-6, not sure if it's law yet or not, but the intent is to change the law of people applying for citizenship from 5 years to 3 years > I know that JT did change the rule of voting already, the new refugees have the right to vote in the next election. The Libs are also repealed the right of Canada to revoke dual citizenship in certain circumstances; specifically: "terrorism, High Treason, treason and spying". IN case of identity or residential fraud, then dual citizenship can be revoked however LOL. Lib also appeal the requirement for new immigrants to continue residing in Canada, which if fair, if one wants the benefit of health care, Countries protection, etc.. then pay taxes and contribute to the country, otherwise, why!! Also, language is apparently an unconstitutional requirement. Lib's are changing many laws.


That's Justin for you- trying to be popular with as many people as possible, whereas Harper and Chretien didn't give a sh*t! Maybe the true measure of a good P.M. :)
 

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Trudeau has made changes to Bill C-6, not sure if it's law yet or not, but the intent is to change the law of people applying for citizenship from 5 years to 3 years > I know that JT did change the rule of voting already, the new refugees have the right to vote in the next election. The Libs are also repealed the right of Canada to revoke dual citizenship in certain circumstances; specifically: "terrorism, High Treason, treason and spying". IN case of identity or residential fraud, then dual citizenship can be revoked however LOL. Lib also appeal the requirement for new immigrants to continue residing in Canada, which if fair, if one wants the benefit of health care, Countries protection, etc.. then pay taxes and contribute to the country, otherwise, why!! Also, language is apparently an unconstitutional requirement. Lib's are changing many laws.


Donald Trump team 'discussing plans for Muslim registration system'






That's Justin for you- trying to be popular with as many people as possible, whereas Harper and Chretien didn't give a sh*t! Maybe the true measure of a good P.M. :)



Donald Trump team 'discussing plans for Muslim registration system'


 

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Trudeau has made changes to Bill C-6, not sure if it's law yet or not, but the intent is to change the law of people applying for citizenship from 5 years to 3 years > I know that JT did change the rule of voting already, the new refugees have the right to vote in the next election. The Libs are also repealed the right of Canada to revoke dual citizenship in certain circumstances; specifically: "terrorism, High Treason, treason and spying". IN case of identity or residential fraud, then dual citizenship can be revoked however LOL. Lib also appeal the requirement for new immigrants to continue residing in Canada, which if fair, if one wants the benefit of health care, Countries protection, etc.. then pay taxes and contribute to the country, otherwise, why!! Also, language is apparently an unconstitutional requirement. Lib's are changing many laws.


Trudeau is intent on giving the country away as quickly as possible.
The Liberals might be sorry when they lose their positions to foreigners who run their own candidates and have the majority.
 

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He probably still blames Bush for the disaster the Obamacare rollout was .
Wasn't it Republican obstructionism that watered down the original plan so that it wasn't functional? The right seem to have a very short attention span.
 

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Wasn't it Republican obstructionism that watered down the original plan so that it wasn't functional? The right seem to have a very short attention span.


As it is, Obamacare has saved lives whereas 45,000 Americans died every year from lack of health care under Bush and the others.