The scientific approach

CDNBear

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Oh good grief, the Sun is bending light or if you prefer, arcing light, not "sucking light in" and making it disappear. That's what a black hole does.
As for the rest of the nonsense you responded with, let me repeat, change...of...direction...does NOT...equal...change...in...velocity...when...dealing...with...light.
You really are a sucker for the dumb ones, lol.
 

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Edo has never been the same since.



It ends abrutly with the NEW Testament. Testament means "contract" BTW.

In Arabic the term is New Testament: العهد الجديد I thought it might mean:
either the New Covenant, or the New Age (or Time)

I am not sure.
 

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In Arabic the term is New Testament: العهد الجديد I thought it might mean:
either the New Covenant, or the New Age (or Time)

I am not sure.


Covenant means contract. Christ stated that he brought a new and everlasting covenant. Mohamed is a usurper.
 

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BINGO. As a Christian my contract with God is purely NT.

Jesus Christ confirmed the Torah or the Law of Moses.
The Gospel does not include sharia or law; it is almost the parables of Jesus.
In the Quran, Jesus' mother, Mary, was a truthful believer: she believed in the [Ten] Words of her Lord, i.e. the Ten Commandments.
It implies: the present Torah includes much distortion and many mistakes, while the Ten Commandments are true and correct may be without alteration, because they are known by heart by a large number of people (like the Quran.)

Covenant is a contract just like Testament.

True. But I think the second explanation : it is the New age or era may be more acceptable: because the Old Testament: the Old Covenant?
 

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At least the Bible has an ending, care to explain how the Torah ends??. You are really running low on ammo aren't you?

The Torah essentially is the Ten Words or Commandments that God Himself inscribed on the stone Tablets.
Abu abd-Allah said to me: I prefer to call the Old Testament: as the Torah Collection. (I think the word bible: means collection of books.)
So the Torah Collection is the Hebrew Bible.
The New Testament is Gospel+ the Acts of the Apostles, and others.
 

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Quran 4: 26, which means:
{God likes to explain to you q, and to acquaint you about the rites of those before you r, and to turn towards you s; God is All-Knowing t, Most Wise u.}
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q The statements of your religion and your life in the World.
r The religious laws of those before you, like the law of Moses and those before him, so that you may not deny that.
s Concerning that which you did before the Islam.
t About your advantages.
u Concerning the religious law that He has prescribed for you.
 

darkbeaver

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Yes, it does and it's been demonstrated and proven. Light isn't just a wave, it's also made of particles called photons. Since photons have mass (albeit very negligible) light can be bent by gravity. We see it when it makes contact with huge gravity wells like those found around black holes, but any sufficiently large body can bend light.



The idea that refraction causes the lensing effect traditionally attributed to General Relativity has also been proposed by Dr. Edward Dowdye, Jr., a physicist and laser optics engineer formerly with the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. He derived the mathematical solution for lensing using refraction instead of gravity and presented his findings at the Eu2012 conference in his talk,”The Failed Attempts to Detect Macro Lensing.”
Dr. Dowdye points to the fact that observations of solar lensing are in the plasma ionized atmosphere of the Sun, as predicted by refraction, and not at varying elevations from the mass of the Sun, as predicted for gravitational lensing. He also points to the lack of gravitational lensing observed in the stars rapidly orbiting the Milky Way’s galactic center. He writes,
“…evidence of gravitational light bending at the site of Sagittarius A*, as is predicted by the light bending rule of General Relativity, is yet to be observed.”https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/11/26/lensing-by-refraction-not-gravity/




 

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Quran 3: 52-57, which means:
{ 52. But when Jesus 'perceived and knew' the unbelief of the [Children of Israel, and that they denied him,] he said: "Who will be my helpers for [the cause of] God['s religion]?"
The intimate followers [: the disciples
a] said: "We are the helpers of God ['s religion]; we believe in God [alone, and that Jesus is His messenger];
so bear witness you [Jesus] that we have submitted [ourselves to God's commands and to that which you have brought to us from God.]"

53. [The disciples said]: "Our Lord, we have believed in [the revelation] that You have revealed [to Jesus] and we have followed the messenger [Jesus, the son of Mary]; so decree to us to be with those who bear witness [that You are One, and that Jesus is Your messenger.]"

54. Then, the [Jews] devised plotting [against Jesus, so as to kill him],
and God devised [against them, so that He made another man similar to Jesus in shape whom they crucified, and Jesus was saved from them];
the Best of devisers
b is God.

55. And when God said, "O Jesus, I will [make you die and] take you [to Me] and raise you c up to Me, and purify you from those who unbelieve [who are filth and unclean d]; I will [also] make those [Christians], who follow you, superior e to those [Jews] who unbelieve till the Day of Judgment. Then shall you [all] return to Me f, and I will judge between you concerning the matter [of Jesus] wherein you dispute. g

56. And concerning the unbelievers, I shall chastise them with a severe chastisement in the [life of the] World h and the Next Life i, and they will have no helpers [to save them from God's punishment.]

57. As for those who believe j, and work the righteous work, He will fully pay them their wages [in the Next Life].
God does not love wrong-doers
k.}
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a They were twelve men, whose names were according to the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 10:
The first, Simon, who is called Peter; Andrew, his brother;
James the son of Zebedee; John, his brother;
Philip; Bartholomew; Thomas;
Matthew the tax collector;
James the son of Alphaeus;
And Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Simon the Zealot or the Cananaean;
And Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

b i.e. the most just and fair among devisers; because the devising is two kinds: good and evil; like His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 35: 43, which means:
(The evil plotting overwhelms only those who do it.)
The evil plotting is the perfidy and hypocrisy; while the good plotting is like that you invite a man to goodness and righteousness, but he refuses that, so you plot for him and he will have benefit and advantage because of your plotting for him, and such plotting is good and plausible.

c i.e. raise your spirit or soul to heaven, because the true man is the soul, while the body will tear up and become dust.

d i.e. so that they will not outstretch their hands to hurt you. This is indicated by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 9: 28, which means:
(O believers, the associaters are indeed unclean; so let them not approach the Inviolable Mosque [for pilgrimage] after this year of theirs [in which this soora was revealed.])

e in authority, victory and dignity.

f i.e. all of you, following your death, will come to the world of souls, and I will deal with you.

g For Jesus died and his ethereal soul went up to heaven; the period from the time of the Christ to the prophet-hood of Mohammed was 570 years, and from the time of the exodus of Moses and his people out of Egypt to the time of Jesus was 1515 years.

h By killing, imprisoning, taking them captives, driving them out of their homeland and taking tribute from them.

i in the Fire.

j In Jesus the apostle of God.

k Who wrong people and violate their rights.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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