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Verse 24.35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth, the universe, the One. God is the One Thing, Light. I am not any longer an atheist.
How that first sentence is subject to interpretation is beyond me. It means exactly what is says.
This interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

The 'light' here means the 'guidance': it means: God guides those who are in the planets including the earth; for the guidance is up to God alone, while the duty of the messenger is only to convey his message.

By the way, some think this aya describes the electric lamp; I asked Abu abd-Allah is this true? He said: No relation.

So in this parable, God likens His guidance to be:
like a niche inside the center of the house or on a road (like the light house); this resembles Mecca, from which the light of guidance came.
The lamp in a niche: the lamp resembles the messenger.
The lamp is inside a glass; it resembles the angels surrounding the prophet to protect him from devils.
The lamp is lit from a tree of olive: it resembles the Muslim nations which is neither to the West nor to the East.

Another aya, which I mentioned in the post #34 in this thread, indicates that God created the heavens and the earth :) the planets including the earth) and He assigned the light and darkness.

In many other ayat, the 'light' indicates the guidance of the heavenly book.
As in the aya 4: 174, which means:
{O mankind, there has [now come to you the Quran as] a proof from your Lord; We have sent down to you [included in the Quran] an elucidating light.}

Moreover, God cannot be called 'thing'; the word 'thing' is related to material objects.
Quran 42: 11, which means:
{There is not, as His likeness, anything [material or spiritual] i; He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.}
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i It means: There is none, whether it be material or spiritual being, like Himself.

This interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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That guy would argue math with Einstein.
That would mean that you and bear aren't capable of even following along with the exception of a nod and a blank expression.
Got any pics of a galaxy with a dark center? I thought not. Watch out for the plasma jetting out.

You mean a religious rethread..
Define 'rethread' if you are so smart. With the retreaded tire you can go many, many miles, just not as fast as you can with a normal tire.

But very very dumb.
Still have the ability to cover topics you don't have a clue about Shirley.
 

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The idea that refraction causes the lensing effect traditionally attributed to General Relativity has also been proposed by Dr. Edward Dowdye, Jr., a physicist and laser optics engineer formerly with the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. He derived the mathematical solution for lensing using refraction instead of gravity and presented his findings at the Eu2012 conference in his talk,”The Failed Attempts to Detect Macro Lensing.”
Dr. Dowdye points to the fact that observations of solar lensing are in the plasma ionized atmosphere of the Sun, as predicted by refraction, and not at varying elevations from the mass of the Sun, as predicted for gravitational lensing. He also points to the lack of gravitational lensing observed in the stars rapidly orbiting the Milky Way’s galactic center. He writes,
“…evidence of gravitational light bending at the site of Sagittarius A*, as is predicted by the light bending rule of General Relativity, is yet to be observed.”https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/11/26/lensing-by-refraction-not-gravity/



Dr. Edward Dowdye. A devotee of Christian science with BACHELORS in Math, Electronics and Physics. He needs to look at some Hubble images that clearly show the effect of gravitational lensing.


Gravitational lensing in action



This illustration shows a phenomenon known as gravitational lensing, which is used by astronomers to study very distant and very faint galaxies. Note that the scale has been greatly exaggerated in this diagram. In reality, the distant galaxy is much further away and much smaller.
Lensing clusters are clusters of elliptical galaxies whose gravity is so strong that they bend the light from the galaxies behind them. This produces distorted, and often multiple images of the background galaxy. But despite this distortion, gravitational lenses allow for greatly improved observations as the gravity bends the light’s path towards Hubble, amplifying the light and making otherwise invisible objects observable.
A team of astronomers has used Abell 383, one such gravitational lens, to observe a distant galaxy whose light is resolved into two images by the cluster. The gravitational lensing effect means that astronomers have been able to determine fascinating insights about the galaxy that would not normally be visible even with Hubble or large ground-based telescopes. Among their discoveries is that the distant galaxy’s stars are very old, meaning that galaxies probably formed earlier in cosmic history than we first thought.

Credit:
NASA, ESA & L. Calçada







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Dr. Edward Dowdye. A devotee of Christian science with BACHELORS in Math, Electronics and Physics. He needs to look at some Hubble images that clearly show the effect of gravitational lensing.


Gravitational lensing in action



This illustration shows a phenomenon known as gravitational lensing, which is used by astronomers to study very distant and very faint galaxies. Note that the scale has been greatly exaggerated in this diagram. In reality, the distant galaxy is much further away and much smaller.
Lensing clusters are clusters of elliptical galaxies whose gravity is so strong that they bend the light from the galaxies behind them. This produces distorted, and often multiple images of the background galaxy. But despite this distortion, gravitational lenses allow for greatly improved observations as the gravity bends the light’s path towards Hubble, amplifying the light and making otherwise invisible objects observable.
A team of astronomers has used Abell 383, one such gravitational lens, to observe a distant galaxy whose light is resolved into two images by the cluster. The gravitational lensing effect means that astronomers have been able to determine fascinating insights about the galaxy that would not normally be visible even with Hubble or large ground-based telescopes. Among their discoveries is that the distant galaxy’s stars are very old, meaning that galaxies probably formed earlier in cosmic history than we first thought.

Credit:
NASA, ESA & L. Calçada


Very nice modern science fiction art work. The Big Bang never could have happened and did not, the universe is not expanding and gravity remains unexplained in established circles.


For the same reason fish don't know they're wet.

A disturbing statement.
 

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Very nice modern science fiction art work. The Big Bang never could have happened and did not, the universe is not expanding and gravity remains unexplained in established circles.
That GRAPHIC was presented by NASA(you know the same NASA your source used to work for) and the ESA. But yeah, little Joe Jim Bob with his Bachelors degrees gots it all goin' on. :lol:

The Big Bang did occur, the universe IS expanding as has been readily observed, and gravity and its force on objects has been explained quick succinctly. You'll notice it's called Newton's LAW of Universal Gravitation, not Newton's theory.
Any other established laws of science you wish to deny? Boyle's Law? Stokes' Law? Poiseuille's Law? Planck's Law? Kepler's Law of Planetary Motion? I can keep going.
 

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That GRAPHIC was presented by NASA(you know the same NASA your source used to work for) and the ESA. But yeah, little Joe Jim Bob with his Bachelors degrees gots it all goin' on. :lol:

The Big Bang did occur, the universe IS expanding as has been readily observed, and gravity and its force on objects has been explained quick succinctly. You'll notice it's called Newton's LAW of Universal Gravitation, not Newton's theory.
Any other established laws of science you wish to deny? Boyle's Law? Stokes' Law? Poiseuille's Law? Planck's Law? Kepler's Law of Planetary Motion? I can keep going.

My goodness, I don't think you appreciate progress. No BB, no blackholes, no dark energy, no dark matter, all science fiction. Newtons Law is good for two bodies, period.
Have a nice day.

Professor R. C. Gupta at the Institute of Engineering & Technology in Lucknow, India has presented such a theory in a paper entitled, “Bending of Light Near a Star and Gravitational Red/Blue Shift: Alternative Explanation Based on Refraction of Light.”
The paper asserts that the theory behind gravitational lensing — one of the evidentiary “proofs” of General Relativity — is wrong, and that the lensing effect is caused by refraction through the “atmospheres” of stars and galaxies.
The paper also presents the mathematical basis for refraction and shows that refraction closely predicts the same lensing effect as attributed to gravity.
It is a plausible theory based on the presence of plasma atmospheres that pervade stellar and galactic formations at every scale. Dr. Gupta shows that a stellar, or galactic atmosphere will bend light, the same way it is refracted by water as the light passes from lower density to a higher density medium.
It is the kind of simple answer based on classical physics and the known behavior of electromagnetism that EU Theory rigorously requires, unlike the General Relativity concepts that require theoretical, unproven mass and energy.

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Dr. R.C.Gupta
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Gravity as the Second-Order Relativistic-Manifestation of Electrostatic-Force
R.C.Gupta
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Institute of Engineering & Technology (I.E.T.)
Lucknow, India
rcg_iet@hotmail.com
ABSTRACT
It is well known that magnetic force between two current carrying conductors is a relativistic manifestation of net electrostatic force bet
ween relatively moving electrons & protons of the two wires. On similar grounds but with more accurate considerations i.e., of second order relativistic considerations, it is shown here that gravitational-force between two bodies is in-fact due to relativistic m
anifestation of net electrostatic force between protons & revolving electrons in atoms of the two bodies. As special-relativity provides a bridge between electricity and magnetism, in somewhat similar way (as described in the paper) it is shown that once again it is the special-relativity which provides the much sought-after link between electrostatic force and gravitational force. If magnetism is the
frst-order (velocity-dependant) effect of moving electrons in conductor,gravitation is the second-order (acceleration-dependant) effect ofrevolving electrons in atoms. The new proposed gra
vitation-theory seems to be well in accordance with gravity behavior i.e., it correctly predicts that gravity is a long-range attractive-force proportional to masses & follows inverse-square-law and is transmitted with the velocity of light.
 

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That GRAPHIC was presented by NASA(you know the same NASA your source used to work for) and the ESA. But yeah, little Joe Jim Bob with his Bachelors degrees gots it all goin' on. :lol:
Wonderful artwork, bit overpriced though.

The Big Bang did occur, the universe IS expanding as has been readily observed, and gravity and its force on objects has been explained quick succinctly. You'll notice it's called Newton's LAW of Universal Gravitation, not Newton's theory.
Any other established laws of science you wish to deny? Boyle's Law? Stokes' Law? Poiseuille's Law? Planck's Law? Kepler's Law of Planetary Motion? I can keep going.
Can two black-holes that contain as much mass as there is in the universe gently merge or is there going to be some 'friction encountered'? Friction causes heat and heat causes expansion, that is the force driving the expansion of the universe.
Once the expansions has gotten to big new stars will no longer be formed and since light equals visible heat a contraction may begin ot that matter is lost to 'the void' forever. There is no light there to escape, perhaps that is the black-hole that we will eventually see.

MhZ is a disturbed person.
For somebody who says they hate stupid you seem to spend a lot of time on that side of the line. It is obvious I disturb you, I bring out what was already there. Any idea how long it's been since I met a good troll?? A long, long time, perhaps even never would be a suitable reply.

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Should that not also mean that the speed increases as the lights gets nearer the bending object and then slows down the same amount once it is 'past' the object'?
 

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For somebody who says they hate stupid you seem to spend a lot of time on that side of the line.
I do hate stupid, but I find you entertaining, so I cross that line often to watch your stupidity at work, lol.
 

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Someone can read a lot and still be stupid when he doesn't comprehend what he reads and normal people can't understand what the stupid fool writes.....
 

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I think sometimes thoughts run together creating an incoherent mess. Maybe the neuro transmitters and receptors are running into each other. They have medicine for that. To him, his words make perfect sense.
 

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Should that not also mean that the speed increases as the lights gets nearer the bending object and then slows down the same amount once it is 'past' the object'?
Refraction no bendy. Observation records no speed increase. Light got no mass they think.

Now Einstein realised that his field equations do not satisfy the usual conservation of energy and momentum and so, in order to save his theory from this catastrophe, he simply invented something, ad hoc, to make his theory satisfy the usual conservation laws; namely, his pseudo-tensor. Not only is this unscientific, it is also unconscionable, and completely fallacious for the following reason. Assumption of the validity of Einstein's pseudo-tensor implies the existence of a mathematical entity called a linear invariant, which is dependent solely upon the components of the metric tensor and their first derivatives. One does not even have to know the details of this; all one needs to know is that the pure mathematicians, Georgio Ricci-Curbastro and Tullio Levi-Civita, inventors of the tensor calculus, proved, in the year 1900, that such invariants do not exist! Thus, by reductio ad absurdum, Einstein's pseudo-tensor is a meaningless concoction of mathematical symbols, and consequently everything relying upon it, such as Einstein gravitational waves, is meaningless. Here is T. Levi-Civita's demonstration of the invalidity of Einstein's pseudo-tensor:

www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/Levi-Civita.pdf

Now the alleged field equations Ric ≡ Rμν = 0 describe a spacetime that by construction contains no matter. It is from these equations that the black hole was conjured.
Black holes were first discovered as purely mathematical solutions of Einstein's field equations. This solution, the Schwarzschild black hole, is a nonlinear solution of the Einstein equations of General Relativity. It contains no matter, and exists forever in an asymptotically flat space-time.
DICTIONARY OF GEOPHYSICS, ASTROPHYSICS, and ASTRONOMY, Edited by Richard A. Matzner, CRC Press LLC, Boca Raton, USA, 2001.